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Judge denies San Leandro gun dealer's appeal
Jason B. Johnson, Chronicle Staff Writer
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/25/BAGDCJ26E518.DTL


A judge denied a San Leandro gun store owner's appeal today to keep the federal government from revoking his license to sell firearms, effectively driving one of Northern California's biggest gun retailers out of business.

The case of Trader Sports has drawn attention from beyond the Bay Area because the East 14th Street store is one of the state's biggest gun dealers, selling more than 3,500 weapons a year. Store owner Tony Cucchiara argued that federal agents had overreached in revoking his license because of problems including his inability to account for more than 1,700 guns.

Cucchiara sued, claiming that the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was illegally trying to intimidate gun buyers by driving him out of business for minor and inadvertent violation of gun laws. But at the end of a nearly two-hour hearing Thursday in a San Francisco courtroom, U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker denied Cucchiara's request for an injunction to keep the license revocation from taking effect June 1.

"We're disappointed," said Cucchiara's attorney, Malcolm Segal. "I fear that the business will be forced to close."

Trader Sports has been in business for more than 35 years. Gun-control advocates have long pointed to it as an example of why firearms sales need to be more tightly regulated.

The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence recently issued a report identifying the store as the nation's second-largest supplier of guns used in crimes. In 2005, 447 weapons used in crimes were traced to the shop, the group said.

"It seems that Trader Sports will be shut down. And it should be shut down," said Griffin Dix, president of the California Chapters of the Million Mom March organization. "Enough is enough."

Dix said the ruling sets a strong precedent that the federal government has the right to crack down on gun stores that fail to keep proper sales records and whose inventory repeatedly turn up at crime scenes. He said that 1 percent of gun dealers account for 57 percent of all guns used in crimes nationwide.

"It's a very small number of dealers that account for most of these sales, and they're the ones that break the law," Dix said.

During the hearing, Segal argued that shutting down Trader Sports would harm hunters and law enforcement personnel who buy their guns and ammunition from the store. He also accused federal investigators of staging more inspections of his client's operations in a single year than is allowed by law. Finally, he said, yanking the license would amount to a death sentence for the business.

But Walker said the arguments were not strong enough to warrant a preliminary injunction reversing the license revocation.

"Traders argues it will suffer numerous hardships," Walker said in handing down his ruling. "The court agrees it will face damages. (But) the motion for preliminary injunction will be denied."

Segal said he would talk with his client before deciding whether to appeal the decision. A hearing on the lawsuit itself is pending.

E-mail Jason B. Johnson at [email protected].
 
GUN STORE TO LOSE LICENSE AT END OF DAY TODAY
06/02/06 3:30 PDT
SAN LEANDRO (BCN)

A lawyer for a San Leandro gun store said today the store will stop selling firearms at the end of the day today as a result of a federal agency's revocation of its license.

Attorney Malcolm Segal said Trader Sports will continue to sell other items, such as sporting goods and camping, fishing and hunting equipment.

Trader Sports has been one of the largest retail gun businesses in California.

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ordered Trader Sports' firearms sales license revoked last year because of several violations of regulations, including the fact that 1,767 guns were unaccounted for or missing from Trader Sports' record books as of last year.

The ATF gave the store until June 1 to wind up its business.

Last week, U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker turned down the store's bid for a preliminary injunction suspending the revocation. The judge said the company hadn't raised sufficiently serious legal questions to justify such an order.

The judge gave the store one more day, until today, for a possible appeal, but an appeal was not filed.

ATF spokeswoman Marti McKee said, "We honored the judge's order, but at the end of the day today Trader Sports will no longer have a federal firearms license.''

Segal said the company reached an agreement with ATF to permit those who bought guns through today to complete the sales despite a 10-day waiting period required under California law. He estimated there are "a couple of hundred" gun sales in that category.

The attorney said the company will hear from the ATF next week on whether the agency will approve a second request that Trader Sports be allowed to sell its gun inventory to another dealer. The inventory includes 500 to 700 guns with an estimated value of about half a million dollars, Segal said.

Segal said the company will continue pursuing a lawsuit challenging the revocation. A status conference on the lawsuit is scheduled for June 20 in Walker's court in San Francisco.

http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsne...News/TRADER-SPORTS-LICENSE/resources_bcn_html
 
Traders Sports has been a good store and I have shopped there since the early 70's I would guess. I have bought guns, ammo, holsters, camping gear, targets, books and a knife or two. Our agency even bought ammo there when the federal supply was short a couple of times.

The "evil people" will stop at nothing to put gun delers and ammo delers out of business. :mad:
 
...1,767 guns were unaccounted for or missing from Trader Sports' record books as of last year.

I don't know. Although I hate to see gun shops close and I'm sure TS was a good one from the posts i've read here and at other places, being a business keeping good records is important, particularly when selling firearms as stipulated by the rules that were with the applcation for the license. IMO, 1,767 is A LOT of guns not accounted for. They did not abide by the rules that they said they would abide by when they signed up. Revocation seems logical.

What am I seeing wrong here?
 
I work/help out part time at a local gunshop, and i remember one time, a while ago, a fireamr was misplaced... (it was in the safe, under other stuff) and the owners freaked out... Until it popped up...5 minutes later. So for a shop to "misplace" 1000+ guns, you have to wonder where they were going... Either the ownwer was doing wrong or one of his guys was selling "under the counter"... Every gun goes on a book coming in, and going out the book is annotated... paperwork has to be generated, espacially in CA from what I understand( I'm in WA)... The law is the law, and the problem is bad dealers who give the anti-s ammo to use in tightening gun laws...
 
Well, let's see. The store sells 3,500 guns every year. The current laws have been around since when, 1968? So that's 38 years. 38 years times 3,500 guns per year amounts to approximately 133,000 firearms.

If they can't account for 1,800 of them, that's 1.35%

What do you want to bet the BATFE itself has at least a 1% error rate in their own record-keeping? Yet they hold FFLs to a standard of 0%. It's completely ridiculous.
 
I remember after the Washington DC sniper shootings , Bulls Eye was accused in the local liberal press of losing hunderds of weapons in the end it turned out only a couple dozen were missing (the vast majority stolen stolen by employees and the one stolen by Malvo ) . In the end the former owner sold the business to a friend and he just runs the indoor range thats situated over the store . I forsee a similar thing happening to this store .
 
Well, let's see. The store sells 3,500 guns every year. The current laws have been around since when, 1968? So that's 38 years. 38 years times 3,500 guns per year amounts to approximately 133,000 firearms.
There's a lot of assumptions in there. I'm willing to bet a majority of these "missing guns" were from the last ten years or so.

I'll bet his financial records don't have nearly the error rate, especially since a few percentage pts would probably account for his entire profit.
 
Well, let's see. The store sells 3,500 guns every year. The current laws have been around since when, 1968? So that's 38 years. 38 years times 3,500 guns per year amounts to approximately 133,000 firearms.

If they can't account for 1,800 of them, that's 1.35%

What do you want to bet the BATFE itself has at least a 1% error rate in their own record-keeping? Yet they hold FFLs to a standard of 0%. It's completely ridiculous.

It's interesting that folks here would think that when the police or other law enforcement agency would loose a firearm or two the opinion is usually of incredulity and derision yet this instance of greater proportion (IMO) from a private individual (dealer) is nothing more than a retailing hiccup, nothing to worry about.
 
It's interesting that folks here would think that when the police or other law enforcement agency would loose a firearm or two the opinion is usually of incredulity and derision

So, are you saying we can demand the closure of law enforcement agencies whose agents lose/misplace their guns...which is effectively what happened to Traders?
 
So, are you saying we can demand the closure of law enforcement agencies whose agents lose/misplace their guns...which is effectively what happened to Traders?
LEO's ARE held accountable for missing guns. This guy knew the law, and was grossly out of compliance.
 
I liked the store ...but...

They made it impossible for me to shop there.

Traders would always tune their radio to KOIT the most
vile radio station ever, endless repitition of Tracy Chapman's
"fast car" (one of the most vile, stupid songs of the modern era)
You could also hear Babs Streisand and other useless so called
"lite rock" ...

imho if you subject gun owners to the most vile (so called music) noise
ever devised by evil liberal propaganda ministers, then you are not qualified
to sell guns...

also their rifle display really sucked.....

if you sell guns in a store please play something like Ted Nugent or have it (the radio) tuned to the local right wing talk radio.
 
Not being able to account for the whereabouts of over 1,700 firearms is ridiculous!
This is gross negligence on the part of the owners and those running the store. Haven't the store owner/s ever heard of conducting an inventory on at least an annual basis?? If he did do an inventory check he would have known each year (by the very least) that guns were missing and he is required by law to report that to local law enforcement as well as the BATF which he obviously failed to do. Although I hate to see anyone with a legitimate business go under this is one store that needed to go...at least as far as firearms are concerned! How many of them wound up in the hands of criminals exactly...did the Court say?
 
Yeah, much as I hate to side with ATF (just because of their often heavy-handed tactics), 1800 guns is alot, even over a period of several years. God knows, when I ran my own business, I wasn't the most organized, but I had all the "important" papers (somewhere). Too bad its probably just a case of lousy record-keeping, but there are some rules an FFL has to follow, including accounting for all the guns. If it were a handfull that they couldn't account for it might be one thing, but that really is a pretty big number, any way you look at it.
 
In 2005, 447 weapons used in crimes were traced to the shop, the group said.

Not Good. But I would like to know how many of those guns were sold last year.

1800missing/38years=47per year, call it 45 do to all the estimations involved.

That's about 10% of the guns used in crimes last year. I would really like to know what the numbers are for say the last 5 years of guns used in crimes. It sure looks to me like most of the guns used in crimes from this place are going out over the counter. But all the numbers in the article are not explained and times frames are either not precise or specified. I would really like to see a year by year breakdown of 'guns missing' vs 'guns used in crimes'. Could 2005 just have been the year many of those missing guns happened to be recovered, or is 400+ of their guns used in crimes every year? If 400+ is a normal thing than over 10% of the guns they move in a year are used in crimes. I find it hard to believe that 10% is normal for a gun shop. Anyone know?

"more than 35 years" "more than 1700" If I were the judge I would have expected, no demanded more precise numbers. Probably wouldn't have effected the out come, but if the ATF expectes the gunshop owners numbers to be 100% accurate I as the judge would have held them to the same standard. May have even granted the injunction until exact numbers were avaliable.

I can tell you that a shrink of 1.35% is not good at all. You are lucky to make 4% in retail. So at least 33.75% of their profit is unaccounted for.
 
I hate to see a gun store go out of business, but if you want to play in a federally regulated business, it's up to you to play by their rules. Loosing that many firearms was a huge mistake, and I wouldn't be surprised if the store had been warned by the ATF several times before having their license revoked.

Ryan
 
I'm disappointed that one of the largest dealers in the state only sells 3500 firearms in a year.
 
I have to wonder how many of those guns went home with employees. :scrutiny: Still, you'd think the disappearance of more than 2 guns in a year, let alone around 47 a year, would result in an internal audit.

If Cucchiara's only loss is his FFL, he'll be VERY lucky. It would not surprise me if he were to face criminal charges, substantive or not. With that many guns unaccounted for, and the numbers that were later used in commission of crimes-well, I'm sure there will some very thorough investigations. That number goes way past sloppy inventory practices. :mad:
 
The old double standard...

Missing Guns - Laptops Confirmed by Agencies
Five agencies report 775 missing guns and 400 laptops

Dateline: 08/05/02

Year-old claims of missing guns and computers at the FBI, INS and three other federal law enforcement agencies were confirmed, as a Justice Department inspector general reported the agencies were missing more than 775 weapons and 400 laptop computers.

The items were reported to have been stolen, lost or gone missing mainly from the FBI over a two-year period, according to the report, Control Over Weapons & Laptop Computers, Report No. 02-31, released by Inspector General Glenn A. Fine.

"Our audits found significant deficiencies in the accountability for sensitive department property," stated Fine.

After a preliminary audit conducted in March 2001 found the INS listing over 500 missing weapons, a more complete audit of the INS, FBI, Federal Bureau of Prisons, Drug Enforcement Agency and the U.S. Marshals Service was ordered.

In total, the five agencies audited reported total inventories of about 150,000 weapons and 25,000 laptop computers, including the missing items. The audits were conducted for the period October 1999 through January 2002.

In July 2002, Congress imposed special oversight over the FBI after string of high-profile security breaches and questionable operations plagued the agency. [See: House Slaps FBI with Special Oversight]

The Missing Laptops
While the exact nature of the data contained on the 400 missing laptop computers was not known, the inspector general's report conceded that some of the missing data could be "sensitive in nature," and that its loss could, "result in danger to the public or could compromise national security or law enforcement activities."

Missing Weapons
Weapons missing, lost or stolen from the agencies involved were reported as follows: INS - 539; FBI - 221; DEA - 16; Marshals Service - 6, Bureau of Prisons - 2.

In addition, the FBI reported an additional 211 weapons found to be missing over a time period not covered by the latest audit.


During the course of the audit, local police departments recovered 18 of the missing weapons while investigating crimes. Examples of these recoveries included:

* Local police recovered a handgun stolen from an FBI agent’s residence in New Orleans, Louisiana, from the pocket of a murder victim;

* Police in Atlanta, Georgia, recovered a stolen DEA weapon during a narcotics search at a suspect’s residence; and

* Police in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Tampa, Florida, recovered
INS weapons that were used to commit armed robberies.

Along with recommending several steps the agencies should take to strengthen controls over weapons and laptop computers, the inspector general's report concluded, "We believe it is imperative for the Department and the components to improve the accountability and control of its weapons and laptop computers to protect the public and the integrity of its law enforcement activities."

Link: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa080502b.htm
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Comment: In the case of gunstores, the "missing guns" issue has been shown to be a sham. Example; a clerical error counts as a missing gun (or perhaps two missing guns). Furthermore, the focus on "time to crime" and gun tracing , which emphasizes perfect recordkeeping, is bogus on its face. It exists only to keep pencilnecks busy, and provide fodder for bradycenter.org.

Regardless, note the opposite reaction to clerical errors: In the private sector, livelihoods are ruined, businesses shut down. In the government sector, problems like this only beget more bureaucracy!!! How many government agencies or offices have been shut down as a result of the article above?:fire: :fire: :fire:
 
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