Judge shoots down ATF motion on Red's (Twin Falls ID)

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Again - sorry for the total article post, but they do not keep content online for very long:

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http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2008/01/26/news/local_state/129503.txt

Judge shoots down ATF motion on Red's
By Cassidy Friedman
Times-News writer
Red's Trading Post will have its day in court, possibly in February.

U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge of Boise on Thursday rejected a federal agency's claim that the Twin Falls gun dealing business has fallen short of showing grounds for a hearing.

"The judge wants to hear all the people and look at all the evidence," said Mark Geston, a Boise attorney representing the gun dealership.

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had asked for a summary judgment against the business it says "willfully" violated agency rules. The ATF can administratively revoke a gun dealer's federal firearms license. But in Red's case, the business has challenged the agency in court and in the court of public opinion.

The ATF sought to revoke Red's license last March. The first challenge came in April, when Red's moved for a preliminary injunction to freeze implementation of the revocation. The judge granted the motion, allowing the business to continue selling guns, though under tighter surveillance by agents who then reported finding more violations.

On Thursday, U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge discarded a motion for summary judgment filed by the ATF. That motion says "either the facts or the law is just so clear that there really is no reason for a day in court," Geston said.

Had the judge granted the summary judgment, Red's would have lost the case. But it could have appealed the decision.

Geston says a trial to start Feb. 25 will hinge mainly over the two party's interpretations of "willful."

Red's legal team has argued the violations amount to clerical errors. A huge volume of case law will help the judge reach his own opinion of how to apply that term to this case.

In mid-December, acting on complaints from Red's and other gun dealers who say the ATF is overly aggressive in enforcing guns, Idaho's Republican Sens. Larry Craig and Mike Crapo placed separate holds on the president's nomination of the agency's head.

That brought additional public attention to the plight of Red's and other gun dealers who say they are under attack by the federal regulators.

Geston says the political realm is separate from what happens in court.

"There's been political attention focused on this thing but I haven't looked at it because really that's not my concern," Geston said. "We believe we are correct in our dealings."

After almost a full year, Red's will have its chance to prove it.

Cassidy Friedman can be reached at 735-3241 or [email protected]

I went in there today and it was just very very up beat!
There inventory is the way it was before all this ATF shenanigans started. It's good to see them "Back in the saddle again"
 
In mid-December, acting on complaints from Red's and other gun dealers who say the ATF is overly aggressive in enforcing guns, Idaho's Republican Sens. Larry Craig and Mike Crapo placed separate holds on the president's nomination of the agency's head.

The obvious solution would be to disband the BATFE.
 
The ATF sought to revoke Red's license last March. The first challenge came in April, when Red's moved for a preliminary injunction to freeze implementation of the revocation. The judge granted the motion, allowing the business to continue selling guns, though under tighter surveillance by agents who then reported finding more violations.

It just me that finds this Incredibly convenient (for the BATFE)?

also notice that bit, "reported finding more violations" they didn't "Find more Violations" they reported finding them, IE: Showed no proof.

Sounds to me like they pulled them out of a hat.
 
Talking with Ryan the owner of Reds, the stories he tells.
(Part of the "agreement" is not publicized reports - and no blogging)

Also his web master tells him 70% his daily site traffic is from .gov users and of the 70% - ~60% are originating from the ATF
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Talking with Ryan the owner of Reds, the stories he tells.
(Part of the "agreement" is not publicized reports - and no blogging)

that mean you can't tell us?:scrutiny:
 
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Pardon my French, but there, I said it, and I ain't takin' it back.
 
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Seems to me that, if we must tolerate an agency like BATFE, then a reasonable standard for violations would rest solely on the answer to this question "Did an actual prohibited person obtain a firearm?" If the answer is No, then go on about your business and have a nice day.

TC
 
What is it with the ATF? I've talked to a number of dealers in the Atlanta area who all say that their books are reviewed regularly by the local ATF and all state that the inspecting agents are businesslike but don't try to pull any BS. A clerical error is just that - a clerical error, not a felony violation.
 
The BATFE has entirely way to much power. They are the Cop, judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one. They make the gun laws they enforce the gun laws and appeals have to be done through their agency. They need to be bitch slapped with a better system of checks and balances, like a civilian oversight committee or something similar.
 
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