Just Curious about Winchester M70 Metric Interest Yes..No..Maybe?

[Unka-Boo]

Why? Because they're rimless?

Guess we oughta quit making 30-30s.

1895 in regards to cartridge

6.5, 7x57 in regards to M70

My .405 was almost $1000 several years ago and again, I can't see buying such a fine rifle and then feeding it garbage. The .30-40 carbines held more appeal for me but I never got around to getting one.

Which would you buy 1st between the two, an 1895 or an M70 in 7.62x54R?

I'm not suggesting it would be a hot seller, but it would be an accurate reproduction of an existing gun. Don't wanna feed it garbage? Don't buy 70 y/o surplus.....

 

[meanmrmustard]

Hasn't been a bolt action Winchester .30-30 in some time.
I sure wish I had bought that Model 54, though; handy as my 788 is.

There are Savages still floating around. They're quite accurate.

 

[RPRNY]

Not really a niche cartridge when it's been in military, plinking, and hunting use in one variation or another for over 120 years, longer even than the 30/06 by decades.

Convince FN. It's niche for the M70 consumer base. That niche is "cheap surplus rifles and ammo". It may have 15 years on the 30-06 but precisely 1.73 gazillion more rifles in 30-06 have been sold in the $500 + dollar segment than 7.62x54r.

I'm not knocking 7.62x54r. I'm explaining why there is no business case for FN to make a mid-price segment rifle in cartridge that among its adherents is adored in part because Berdan primed 1952 Albanian surplus rounds can be purchased for $0.02 a pop...

 

[meanmrmustard]

Convince FN. It's niche for the M70 consumer base. That niche is "cheap surplus rifles and ammo". It may have 15 years on the 30-06 but precisely 1.73 gazillion more rifles in 30-06 have been sold in the $500 + dollar segment than 7.62x54r.

I'm not knocking 7.62x54r. I'm explaining why there is no business case for FN to make a mid-price segment rifle in cartridge that among its adherents is adored in part because Berdan primed 1952 Albanian surplus rounds can be purchased for $0.02 a pop...

There are other manufacturers of fine, hunting type ammo that is non corrosive.

How do you know what the M70 fan base wants? Seems that your speaking out of generality.

Gazillion is a fictitious number. FN might hit that number when they market a 54r chambered rifle to unicorns and Sasquatch...and me.

As an aside: I'd really like a modern bolt gun in 7.5x55. Probably my favorite cartridge ever.

 

[USSR]

Let's face it, the 7.62x54's appeal is that you can buy $100 Mosin Nagants. None of the cheapskates buying these $100 rifles is going to lay out $700 for a Winchester Model 70, and nobody laying out $700 for a fine rifle is going to want it chambered for a cartridge whose only appeal is cheap surplus ammo. FN is in business to make money, and they know that they wouldn't sell enough of these rifles to recoup their set up costs.

Don

 

[rcmodel]

You overlooked the fact that the Winchester Model 1895 was designed from the getgo to feed rimmed cartridges.

The Winchester Model 70 wasn't.

rc

 

[CraigC]

Not really a niche cartridge when it's been in military, plinking, and hunting use in one variation or another for over 120 years, longer even than the 30/06 by decades.

And how many sporting rifles have been produced that chamber the Russian round???

Which would you buy 1st between the two, an 1895 or an M70 in 7.62x54R?

Obviously the 1895 but since I have a choice, neither. They've been produced in the imminently more available .270WCF and .30-06 and neither has sold well. The .270 sold so poorly that the remaining guns were sent back to Miroku to become .405's. Of which mine is one and it's a wonderful shooter.

 

[jmr40]

Winchester can't make guns in common calibers fast enough to meet demand. Many of the guns listed are almost impossible to get. I can't see them stopping production and tooling up to make a special gun that will sell in very limited numbers. At least right now.

 

[Kachok]

Na, if I get a metric Model 70 it is going to be a 9.3x64, 6x5x55, or 7x57, There is no use in shooting 7.62x54, it is often low quality ammo, non-reloadable, and corrosive. The 7,62x54 holds no advantage over the 308 or 30-06, and if you did find reloadable brass you would be stuck using the much more rare .311 cal bullets. Once the surplus supplys run out I don't think anyone will want a 7.62x54, if it is no longer cheap to shoot what really is the point?