Just how dangerous is a chain-fire?

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I've never had one but the chainfire problem seems over-rated . On both my 1858 and my ROA the chambers adjacent to the one being fired have almost total clearance. The lead ball would just graze the frame of the gun. And it would not be going very fast anyway. Seems to me like just cosmetic damage to the gun and no real risk to the shooter.

Has anyone ever heard of a chainfire setting off the chamber at the bottom of the cylinder.? That could be dangerous.
 
With my first Walker repro (Armi San MArco) I had a chain fire that took 5 of the 6 chambers, including the bottom chamber. This was due to trying to use bullets cast from the conical mould that came with the gun. It was way under size and out of round. The experience was briefly exhilarating with no injuries to my person. The bottom bullet did jam the loading lever, expanding the rammer into the frame.
 
Totally ruined my time on the plate rack as I didn't finish it.

The ball that struck the barrel wedge left a shiny spot of lead on it and went to parts unknown.

Would not have wanted my hand out there.

No lube, no wad pinched on caps. No brains. Great first two ( and only) hits.

-kBob
 
Back in the day before replica/reproductions came along shooting a C&B revolver required using an original 19th century one. I had several chain fires using different revolvers, and one instance of sticking 4 balls, one on top of another in an 1860 Army's barrel. :eek:

None of these resulted in any serious injury to either the gun or the shooter. However if I had been shooting using both hands, with one beside or in front of the cylinder the story would be much different so far as the shooter was concerned. :uhoh:

And until the revolver(s) went through a complete clean-up they were in "out of service" condition.
 
Never had more than two go at once. I've had 4. Always the chamber under the hammer and the one to the left.
Surprising but a non-event. No damage to gun, spectators or shooter.
As was mentioned above I blame mine on poor alloy producing a wrinkled ball.
 
I have not had one .... yet. For how often I shoot my pistols, I may not ever but this concerns me. I got hollered at here for pinching primers and I won't do that anymore.
These wrinkled balls wouldn't be an issue for me. LOL
I usw a dry "Wonder Wad" over my powder and under the ball and then a lubed "Wonder Seal" on top and/or at least a very good amount of proper lube.
I have heard that most chain fires are caused at the primer end. This chain fire stuff scares me. I am half tempted to load one chamber at a time and shoot.
The primers I use go on factory nipples which should probably be upgraded but the cost for three pistols and 5 cylinders would run me over $150.00!
So I use No 11 CCI magnum primers. I have heard that No. 10 would be more tightly sealed but I can't find them.
I get nervous about any pistol, BP or not malfunctioning.
Makes me wonder how many of the old time cowboys in the 1800's fared with these issues.
 
Makes me wonder how many of the old time cowboys in the 1800's fared with these issues.

Relatively little, if you go by contemporary reports. They usually loaded using combustible paper cartridges. Also some made a practice of putting a drop of candlewax on the assembled cap to both seal and waterproof it.

Today chain-fires are rare, and while they can be exciting :eek: it's unusual for either the shooter or revolver to suffer any damage. That's partly because as soon as the second chamber goes off it pushes the ball out of the chamber and pressure drops to zero. Meanwhile powder - ignited or not - gets scattered around in front of the gun. Fireworks, yes... Danger, very little.
 
When I got my first revolver, an 1860 Replica Arms cased in the '60s. I cast balls and conicals with the brass mold in the case. Yes they were under sized and even with Crisco all over things I still got chain fires. To get me shooting right away I cut a band in the mold and carefully oriented the balls when loading. With the correct mold and wads, no problems even if a cap falls off I haven't had a chain fire. Until I changed nipples on my 1969 built Uberti and the recoil of the cap against the recoil shield set off the left chamber. I was advised on this forum to get nipples made to fit a Euro Armsns.
 
So I use No 11 CCI magnum primers. I have heard that No. 10 would be more tightly sealed but I can't find them.
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I bought some number 10s at Sportmans Warehouse last week. They had both CCi and remmy. Their online page lists them too at $6 per 100. You'd probably have to pay a hazmat fee ( $25 ?) if you had them shipped to you but that wouldn't be bad if you bought a couple thousand.
 
Never had a chain fire and if you just follow a few simple rules you won't have one either. Always have either a wad under the ball or grease over top of the ball or both. Real simple.
 
Never had a chain fire and if you just follow a few simple rules you won't have one either. Always have either a wad under the ball or grease over top of the ball or both. Real simple.

Many shooters think chain fires are caused by flame coming backwards out of the nipple and then under the caps on adjacent chambers. If so, your solution won't work. Someone said old-timers used to put a drop of two of candlewax around the base of the cap. I don't do that but i do use number 10 caps on my 1858s. Some people use the somewhat looser number 11s and pinch them - that will leave gaps.
 
I've heard both. I've never had a chainfire (thank Heaven), but I use a significant amount of filler and a tight ball. Just a dab of lube on top, not enough to really seal anything - it's to keep the fouling soft.

What I have felt, with charges above ~18 grains, is significant blast-bite on the thumb of my shooting hand. I use a high thumb position, and while 15 grains is OK, much over that starts to require some sort of protection.
 
Well, I've never had a chain fire so it is working. Wouldn't you say? But, I also always replace the factory nipples with good aftermarket nipples then buy the required sized percussion cap. I have two thousand CCI #11 caps right now that I bought from Cabela's recently.
 
In all fairness, I never had a chain fire while shooting a modern replica revolver. Only "back when" shooting original relics that were not in the best of condition.
 
This may be relevant. Extracted from Colonel Samuel Colt's Lecture at the London Institution of Civil Engineers, 25 Nov 1851

Fig 11, plate 1, represents a firearm made by the author, in 1836, to rotate and fire by the continued action of the lever, or by the use of a trigger.

The arms so constructed, consisting of a large number of pieces, and assemble in a complicated manner, were to found to possess many practical disadvantages, arising chiefly from the wish of the Author to construct compact and good looking weapons. His original experiments all been made on the skeleton arms, solely with a view to utility, and in them there was not the liability of premature explosion, from the escape of fire at the mouth of the chamber, or by inter-communication of the ignited detonating camps, but when he enclosed the rear, and the mouths of the rotating chambers, the fire, being confined beneath the shield and the cap, was communicated successfully to the percussion caps, and in front was conveyed into the chambers, so that premature and simultaneous explosion of the charges necessarily took place.

In consequence of these premature explosions it became necessary to remove the shield, from over the base of the chambers, and to introduce partitions, between the nipples, or cones, to prevent the fire from spreading to and exploding the adjoining caps; but this only partially accomplished the object There still remained risk of explosion from the spreading of the fire laterally between the base of the barrel and the face of the chamber. To meet this danger, the metal plate which was attached to the barrel, and projected over the chambers, was removed; this obviated to a certain extent, but did not altogether prevent the simultaneous explosion of the charges for during a trial of the arm, by order of the American Government, an accident occurred, from the simultaneous explosion of two chambers, which induced the Author, after much reflection to give a slight chamfer, or bevel to the orifice of each chamber, so as to deflect, or throw off at an outward angle, the fire which expanded laterally across their mouths. The reason for this alteration was, that when the lateral fire met the rectangular edge of the orifice of the chambers, the angle of incidence being equal to the angle of reflection, the fire was conducted downwards, or inwards to the charge’ but when the flame struck the chamfered edge, it was directed outward away from the charge. Unimportant as this alteration may appear, it has proved so effectual, that if loose powder is placed over the charge, in the adjoining chambers, it is not now ignited when the pistol is discharged. These and other improvements have brought the fire-arm to its present safe and effective condition and the Author believes, that no causality can occur, nor that more than on charge can be fired at one time, if the metal is sound and the arm is properly handled.
 
Very careful reloading is the big help.
ALWAYS wear shooting goggles when at the range!
I have never experienced a "chain fire" in my Black Powder pistols.
Once again, CAREFULL loading IS the biggie!
 
Walker chain fire

I'm not sure if it qualifies as a chain fire per-se but i had two chambers go off at once on Saturday, the one under the hammer and the one to the left.
Damn near sh#t myself. No damage to the gun or me thankfully and I am still not sure what happened. I usually seal the chamber with bore-butter but didn't that time, I will in future!
 
I'm not sure if it qualifies as a chain fire per-se but i had two chambers go off at once on Saturday, the one under the hammer and the one to the left.
Damn near sh#t myself. No damage to the gun or me thankfully and I am still not sure what happened. I usually seal the chamber with bore-butter but didn't that time, I will in future!
That is what all of mine have been. I also found that the fire chamber to the left of the hammer had an intact, unfired cap still on the nipple.
 
Fella's , do you think chainfires are just an occurance that is rare and most shooters won't ever have one OR is it a case of ,,, " if you shoot percussion revolvers long enough you will have one " ?.
Kind of a Murphy's law thing .
I haven't had one yet,,,,,:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:,,,,, but I would like to think I'm prepared for one if it happens,,,
But we all know I'M NOT, NOBODY IS,,,,:evil:
 
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Fella's , do you think chainfires are just an occurance that is rare and most shooters won't ever have one OR is it a case of ,,, " if you shoot percussion revolvers long enough you will have one " ?.

Similar to the slamfire phenomenon. If you shoot a semi auto rifle enough, you will see or experience a slamfire. I have been warning the shooting community for decades now about this, and a lot of posters have replied, sarcastically, that they fired 100 rounds and nothing bad happened. You shoot enough and you are around people who also shoot enough, you will see things that are rare enough that others will call you a liar.
 
I believe that if all the elements are present and all the planets are aligned eventually "something" will happen.
Law of averages,,,,,,:evil:
 
robhof

The only one I ever had was with my ROA and noticed the cap was missing. Shooting over a table so I looked and found the unfired cap, was also the chamber to the left of the barrel. I use lubed felt wads and have never previously had a chain fire from yrs of shooting. I was shooting reduced loads and only noticed a slightly long discharge with a push to the left upon recoil, no damage to gun, slight lead streak to frame by barrel, easily buffed off, thanks to having stainless steel gun.
 
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