KA residents: How many of you had the chance to move out of Kali and did NOT?

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I may be required by my company to move to California soon. I will quit my job first. I would feel the same if required to move to the "Workers Paradise" of Cuba. Boxer and Feinstein as my senators....right? This is for a multi billion contract. Unfortunately, both companies competing (my company team and the competition) are in California. Can they both loose?...Please!!!!! I am not moving to Kommieland, no way no how! I hate every minute I have to travel there. I hate the gangs. I hate the aggressive homeless thugs. I hate the Kommie politicians. Better to live free in poverty!
 
Raised in KA most of my life and have lived/travelled/worked all over the world.

Carve out LA/SF and the Senators and Assemblymen :barf: represented by them and you have a great state with some great people.

Since I don't have a knife big enough for that carve out, I choose to stay and fight for the 2nd. If KA gun rights go, who is next? NY? NJ? MD? Where does it end.

I see both sides of the argument (staying and leaving). I choose to stay (and wait 10 days, and wait 30 days, and give up my .50 and ...) :D
 
Ummm... I've lived in CA for better than a half century...We are planning to leave soon. ;) Not the idiot gun laws, tho they do not encourage staying :cuss: . And not the mess the jackass party has made of this state :barf: . The pendelum will swing back, and things will change. I think. :uhoh:
Its the crowding. I live in a small mountain town that has had the population increase by four times in the last decade. its not the illegals crowding us, its the legals from other states, moving here, demanding homes, creating a development frenzy :eek: .

That won't stop until there's no room left. :evil:

Tom
 
I can move any darn time I want, I work for me.

But I am going to stay and fight.

While I will eventually will have houses in many states, California will always be my home.

Gun legislation? Worse than many, but better than some (ie, DC, IL). And so many other nicities!

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Thorn,

I lived in Berkeley for four years (college), and I can honestly say that town is the most terrible place I have ever seen... anywhere. I've traveled all over the world, and Berkeley is, BY FAR, the worst urine soaked, bum culture infected, liberal left wing $^@%hole anywhere. Just thinking about that place makes me want to :barf: . And the notion of you claiming berkeley types are accepting is a joke... the average Berkeley citizen (i.e. pot-smoking homeless hippie) will ridicule anyone who votes for Bush, anyone who drives a car, anyone who owns a gun. You think Berkeley is accepting? Try walking down Telegraph Ave. wearing a Bush/Cheney T-shirt.

Anyway, CA is really not that bad, you just have to stay away from SF, LA, and Berkeley. Most of CA (landwise) is very conservative/pro-gun. The only problem is that the state government is controlled by LA/SF. Well... that and the fact that the state is always going bankrupt funding public services for illegal immigrants. Oh yeah and the ultra high property, sales, AND income taxes.... and the pollution.... sky high inner city crime rates... draconian car taxes and regulations... corruption in the LAPD... outrageous property costs... terrible gun laws... F#$@^#^$ daily traffic jams... electricity shortages... Feinstein... Boxer... hmmm, now that I think about it, I have no idea why I live here. :scrutiny:
 
Moved here in '79 when my Dad quit being a gunsmith in Columbia, MO to be a machinist for Weatherby. Grew up in LA/OC area and moved around a bit in 1996, (Houston, Colorado Springs, Atlanta, Chattanooga,) and then joined the Corps.

I was stationed in Yuma, AZ which is paradise for guns, but with 33% unemployment, I couldn't afford any of them. I have been to Florida repeatedly, as well as Hawaii and Guam. I moved back to Cali in '01 just in time to have the last four years be a blur of deployments. San Diego is where I live now, and I love it. Most folks around here are military friendly, and pretty easy going. The traffic gets bad at times, but I am never more than 30 mins from home. This place is nowhere near as bad as it is north fo the "Orange Curtain."

Why do I stay? Well I disliked about every other place I have lived. Knoxville, TN, Colorado Springs, CO, Flagstaff, AZ, and Portland OR/Vancouver WA are the only other places I could stand to live. Each one has some glaring thing I dislike.

Furthermore, my wife has a great job that pays well, and there are jobs-a-plenty here in San Diego. Yeah, a house costs $250k-$500k, but you can turn around and sell it for more later. And because of the economical disparity between Cali and other areas, leaving is a big deal. It is far easier to leave than to come back. I lost a lot of money coming back from the south, (Though I must admit, it has its own unique charms,) and I am loathe to do it again.

I also ride a motorcycle, and the geological nature of Coastal California lends itself to some amazing canyon riding. I would have a hard time giving that up. (Though all the place I could stand to live have SOME riding nearby.)

Am I bothered by the dumb laws? Very much so, but if it can happen in Cali, it can happen anywhere. Many people are loathe to admit it, but a lot of the nation's cities model themselves after California cities.

I dislike having to use an 870 and 1911 to defend my home when I could use a 30-round mall-ninja AR if I lived one state over. But there are certainly worse things in life than owning an 870 and 1911. I couldn't care less about .50cal rifles, they are so impractical for me, that I doubt I will ever own one. The principal of the ban makes me mad as hell, but I would be stupid indeed to move to a place I don't like based on the prinicpal of not being able to own a weapon I wouldn't buy.

That's my story.
 
I've lived in several states, and several countries, and I still come back to California.

I do stay away from LA and SF, and I find the rest of the state to be pretty laid back. Once out of the cities, CCW is not a problem, and we don't have a lot of "No CCW" signs. Heck, I can even pick up my kids from school properly protected.

The hunting and fishing is great... the CA blacktail is way more fun than any whitetail I've come across. The wild boar is more fun (and tasty) than should be legal.

I can ski and swim the same day, if I want to.

OK, the politics are stressful. But if we lose here, it's only a matter of time before the other 49 fall.
 
Leaving would be a tough decision

I was born in CA, and have lived in MD, MI, NJ, CO, and Germany (courtesy of the Army back in the '70's), as well as San Diego while in college and all over the bay area - Concord, San Jose, San Fran, and currently Fremont. Yeah, the gun laws piss me off, but there are a lot of things that keep me and my wife here. Lots of Friends, weather, jobs, GREAT riding roads for my motorcycle, I can ski in the winter whenever I want to but can live in a mild winter climate.

I go back and forth on moving. I would love to live in CO or Boise or Couer d'Alene in ID, or Seattle, or Portland. Except for the rain of course. My wife is Asian and sometimes she has mentioned not wanting to live in an area without as many Asians as there are in the bay area. The political arena is not the greatest, but hopefully that will change. I do my part by writing letters, voting for the best candidates, and taking newbies out to shoot.

Thorn, I would disagree with you on how tolerant people in the bay area are. They're tolerant only if you're on the left side of the political spectrum. Try going around with a Bush sticker on your car, and wearing a Republican ball cap on your head, and you might think differently. Liberals today are not the liberals of 40 years ago. Back then liberals meant an open mind and listening, now it simply means left of center. And to add to that, there are so many people today who don't fit into the conservative/liberal niche. I am a bug supporter of the 2nd, including the right to own automatic weapons/CCW across the country. But I also am against the amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage, and I don't think it's wrong if gays want to get married. So where does that put me in the political spectrum?

As many have mentioned, CA is actually a number of states. The coast, from San Fran on down, is quite liberal. The eastern half of CA is more conservative and actually voted for Bush in 2004. Way northern CA is very rural and has little population. Most people outside of CA think of it as one monolithic state, but in reality it's quite different depending on where you go. Main Stream media adds to this mis perception, as it does to many other things in our country!
 
I escaped in 1990

I was born in San Francisco and moved to Sonoma County with my parents in the late 60s, then moved to San Diego in the mid-80s while in the Navy. After I got out, I lived in Oakland for a short time while cranking out a 12-month master's at UC Berkeley. I watched things changing around me and left. In my field, there were few jobs at the end of the 1980s, so deciding to leave was easy.

My wife and I were happy in New Mexico, and now in Texas. We've been back to visit, but with crime, cost of living, traffic, Comrades Feinswine and Boxer, etc., I see little to draw me back to the Bay Area.

Best wishes,
Dirty Bob
 
KA born and raised

I was born in LA and grew up in the Inland Empire. Spent some time in rural AZ as a youth (summers with GM and GP) so I know both sides of the street. Left KA when I joined the Army in '98 and have since been stationed in Texas 2x, KA (Monterey), Kentucky, and Hawaii. KA is still home, but I don't see myself going back. I fell in love with the Hill Country when I was in Texas, my wife is from there as well so that is where I will likely plant roots when I retire. Pro 2A, good MC riding, friendly people, granted, it's not as gorgeous as the sierra nevadas or the central coast, but the mexican food is just as good.

Now if we could just get an In & out in Texas.....
 
Born and raised in California. 4th Generation. Spent most of my life there. My ancestors helped build a tiny little town in the San Joaquin Valley. (El Nido). I only moved after I was beaten half to death by a gang of Nortenos in Merced. In the process of the beat down (which was unprovoked and was part of a gang initiation for some of the younger dirt bags) I managed to defend myself and seriously injure a few of them. I had to leave because they were going to kill me in retribution. Lovely.

That said, it would be a cold day in hell before I moved back. I even hate going back to visit family. I despise everything about California. I absolutely hate the place. Everything about it disgusts me.

I don't care if it is sunny and 70 every day, I would rather live on the tundra than there.

Understanding? My butt. Exact opposite in my opinion. Most self righteous, impolite, judgemental people I've ever met. (not saying they aren't everywhere else either, but seem especially self righteous out there)

I had a job offer in the bay area that paid 6X what I make now. I told them to go to hell. My wife's family is also from California. Her parents still live near San Jose. They rent a tiny house that is worth over half a million dollars. Their home would fit in my living room and I paid a fifth of what theirs is worth. And their neighborhood sucks. Went to my brother in laws graduation and got to watch a CRASH unit take down some gang bangers, and then a big car chase through the neighborhood. Sounds like the kind of place where I would want to drop HALF A MILLION FREAKING DOLLARS on a house.

My father in law's commute takes an hour and a half to drive TWELVE miles. People are buying houses in the San Joaquin valley and COMMUTING to the bay area. Let me put that in perspective for you non-Californians. That is 180+ miles. People are willing to drive or ride the train for 180-200 miles so that they can actually buy a home.

Crime everywhere. Dirtbags everywhere. Even in the little bitty conservative town I grew up in we couldn't leave anything unlocked or not chained down because the crack heads would steal it. And I absolutely love aggresive mentally ill homeless people who harrass you. Yes we have them in SLC too, but never like in the massive crowds you see in places like San Francisco.

My public education could best be described as Gladiator School. My high school had the second highest teenage pregnancy rate in the nation. Stupidity is the norm. And keep in mind I'm from one of the most conservative parts of that cesspool.
 
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAahahaha! yeah right, what do you want to live in TX?
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Yup.

Have you ever been to Texas? Do you actually know anything about Texas?

I work with two ex-Bay-area Kali-ites who didn't actually want to move here originally. Their jobs were moving here though, with or without them, so they decided to give it a try. Now neither would ever move back. They always comment on how much more friendly and open the people are here. Not to mention the vastly lower prices on just about everything.
 
liberal vs conservative cities

Just in time for this thread, there was an article in the wall st opinion journal about liberal vs. conservative cities. and no surprise, the bay area was the most liberal area in the nation. below is the url to check out the articles:

provo UT was considered the most conservative. although the articles I read didn't go into detail how they decided what made a city liberal vs conservative.

http://votingresearch.org/
 
two reasons not

When I first got married, I had worked up in Washington state..loved it. Wife wanted to stay here(Los Angeles) to take care of her elderly parents.

Second chance...We were finally ready to move out of state (proper mindset)..my mother wanted to go live with us...she was getting elderly...Wife nixxed the deal about moving.

Actually, third reason now..my mom is in her 80's and I am the one that needs to take care of her here in L.A.. She lived longer then we expected so looks like she will be around to be feisty on the family. She continues to fight with everyone. My wife wishes that we had moved out of Kali years ago.

To keep on thread though, I enjoy collecting guns sold on the Internet that are Cali-nazi approved. I only drool at what other states allow their citizens to buy.
 
California is no longer a Free State, in my (and a lot of others') opinion. It simply does not make sense to keep living there and give the fruits of your labor to an unjust government. The State will most likely go bankrupt, for a variety of reasons, and I would not even want to be visiting when that happens. I don't care how nice the beaches are.

If your rights are more important to you than the view, you should relocate across the border in Nevada or Arizona, and become VERY politically active. Retreating to a defensible position is a sound strategy.

Moving based on politics polarizes the nation and forces the issue to be resolved. Blue states become bluer, red states become redder. By remaining in a mostly socialist state your voices are simply ignored. By moving to another state you stand a chance of forming a majority.

I moved from Boston to Colorado for just this reason.
 
Flechette, after living in Arizona, I have to disagree about it being a good idea to move there just for 2a rights.

Between the heat, rampant meth use, widespread unemployment, and Qworst Phone Service, I found AZ to be near unbearable. Maricopa county doesn't suffer from the unemployment, but is still afflicted by the Desert Folk and godforsaken heat. Parker and Havasu are great for River Rats, but not the kind of place where I want to raise my kids. Tuscon is too damn close to New Mexico, (Although it has gorgeous sunrises,) and Flagstaff is so much like Colorado, that I might as well move to Durango as Flagstaff.

It seems like most places outside Cali (In my experience,) are a choice between "Bangin in Little Rock"-style meth-trailer trash communities or suburbs that are working towards becoming mini-Californias.
 
Then move to Nevada. Or Wyoming. You are not restricted (yet) to moving only to an adjacent state. I moved from Taxachusetts to Colorado. 'Never looked back. :D
 
Having lived in Denver as a very young child, ('75-'77 while dad went to CST,) and Co Springs in '96, I find CO very much to my liking. Now if there was just a way to drag the Pac Ocean over there.

For now, I will get by here, and hope that:
A) the urban blight doesn't reach me
B) the gun laws to change
 
I just realized, I've watched Orange County grow up....

First the Mighty Ducks Movie, then Angels In the Outfield, then Orange County the movie, Then "The OC", then "Laguna Beach" or whatever the heck that movie is called....

Hey its getting popular, I wonder what other movies will be made in my county. :D
 
I've literally lived all over America. Been in California (the Valley) for the past seven years. Come the second week in September, will be moving to Tulsa, OK.

I've discovered that there is good and bad everywhere. I remember moving to Michigan and having to physically hand carry every one of my handguns down to city hall to allow some overweight govt. employee log the numbers and do a check on them (and me).

I remember living in the Cumberland mountains in Tennessee (also for seven years) and having to get the local sheriff to approve every single handgun purchase I wanted to make.

I remember waiting periods in Kentucky and Indiana.

I remember moving to California thinking I was getting away from hillbillys and rednecks. What a laugh. There are more rednecks and hillbillys in California, per capita, than anyplace else in America.

There is good and bad everywhere. It is what we choose to call home, and then, make the best of it.

I will, however, miss the food, weather, and scenery.
 
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