KAHR: a piece O' crap

[crebralfix]

Kahrs require a very, very tight grip. When you shoot, make sure to keep the wrist tight. Otherwise, you'll get frequent failures.

 

[jocko]

keoni. yup sure did mean to state it that way. thank you.

 

[m2steven]

I put another 150 thru my E9 today and I have to say, I'm really impressed with the whole experience. It's a wonderful gun. I also took my CZ75b and I like shooting the E9 better. The trigger on the Kahr is such a wonderful thing. It's silky smooth, fairly short pull, and does not interfere with the aiming process whatsoever. The gun is on the money, and it's on the money on par with the CZ. They are both so wonderful in their own right.

Liking your guns is a great thing. I also put 50 rounds through my Glock 22c. What can I say? It's a machine. I love shooting. A gun has to be a real piece of crap before I even begin to trash it.

 

[distra]

Good luck with it, but I sold my P45 last year. Too many issues for me to trust it, plus I really didn't like the trigger at all. It has been replaced with a G36 and I never looked back. IMHO, too much $$ for a gun that's so so in reliability and quality. BTW, you should plan on >500rds for a "break-in", that's when mine gave up the ghost.

 

[JK]

Kahr Crap

I finally got my P9 working today.

First, the idea that a firearm needs "breaking in" is BS. If it is not reliable out of the box then there is something wrong. I am amazed that there are so many people who believe this BS.

Second, "limp wristing" is another excuse for a defective semi automatic pistol. The correct term is "failure to feed".

That said, I corrected the FTF problem on my P9 by lowering the extractor tension from 64 Oz. to 32 Oz. and removing excess metal from the slide which prevented the extractor from opening fully. The extractor tension was lowered by shortening the rear extractor spring PIN 0.045". Tension was checked with a Weigand extractor tension gauge and a trigger pull gauge.
Excess metal was removed by the CAREFULL use of a jewelers file.

This pistol now shoots everything I can feed it. 100% reliable.

Kahr has some nice folks in their service department but that does not make up for the troubles I had with my P9.

I like my P9 now that it works. I shot 500 rounds of every kind of ammo through it without a glitch.

I addressed the functional issue with my Kahr P9. The crappy assembly is another issue.



JK

 

[Lakeshore]

There was a movie called "The Brave One" a couple of years ago that featured a Kahr P9 used for social purposes on the mean streets of NYC. Sure, it's Hollywood and you may not be a Jodie Foster fan (I'm not) but it was still fun watching her take out BGs. The pissed off crime victim turned vigilante apparently had no previous experience with guns, however limp wristing, etc. wasn't an issue - that P9 never missed a beat.

 

[m2steven]

Jodie Foster is a terrific actress who improves every movie she's in - regardless of her personal life.

 

[TheWarhammer]

Not to nitpick (but I will ), but Foster's character used a K9 in The Brave One, not a P9. John Shaft also carried a K9 in the 2000 rendition of Shaft.

 

[Dannix]

From your posting in that thread:
http://www.geocities.com/suketh.geo/gun/mall_ninja.html

Absoutly epic. lol

I just had to resurrect this fine piece of work who had a bad day with his 40 cal Kahr.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=465936&highlight=pos

Probably the greatest highlight posted by AKElroy:

 

[m2steven]

kahr's are such Pieces of Crap that I just took home my second one - a PM9 to keep my E9 company. What a GREAT little pistol. I love kahrs...they've kind of have a "cult" following (mild attempt at humor)..

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

So, since you were pleased with your Kahr after testing, you created a thread with the subject line: "Kahr: A Piece O' Crap" Makes sense.

I never had a problem with limp wristing either but I've also seen it firsthand - it happens.

they've kind of have a "cult" following (mild attempt at humor)..

I like it.

 

[IdahoLT1]

Good luck with it, but I sold my P45 last year. Too many issues for me to trust it, plus I really didn't like the trigger at all. It has been replaced with a G36 and I never looked back. IMHO, too much $$ for a gun that's so so in reliability and quality. BTW, you should plan on >500rds for a "break-in", that's when mine gave up the ghost.

Glocks are very prone(much more than some other brands) to FTF because of limp wristing. Not too sure about the sc's but there are limp wrist test out there that have shown weaknesses in the full framed pistols.

 

[DT Guy]

First, the idea that a firearm needs "breaking in" is BS. If it is not reliable out of the box then there is something wrong. I am amazed that there are so many people who believe this BS.

Second, "limp wristing" is another excuse for a defective semi automatic pistol. The correct term is "failure to feed".

Guns DO need to break in. Moving parts seat and polish themselves to a correct fit, at least on a gun that's expected to be accurately 'tight' after running a few thousand rounds through it. Build a few and you'll see.

And there IS a thing called 'limp-wristing', but it's not a FTF; it's operator error, whether you choose to acknowledge it as such or not. Any pistol, and especially lightweight ones in particular, can be induced to FTF through improper grip.

Larry

 

[jocko]

failure to feed, failure to eject can both be caused by limpwristing. Glocks are more prone to that than alof of semi's. Why I cannot tell you but I have seen film of glocks being limped and they will do it. Sure in the hell is not a defective pistol IMO, defective shooter maybe?????

 

[m2steven]

As discussed by someone else in Highroad, the break-in period is a legitimate thing which takes the place of hand sanding, polishing, grinding at the factory which could add a few hundred dollars to the price of a pistol.

Letting the pistol "debur" itself is not without merit and if a manufacturer says 200 rounds should do it, that should be trusted unless the pistol does otherwise.

My E9 was perfect from first round through it's 500th and is one of the nicest pistols i've ever shot.

Hey, i've got bad gear from certain manufacturers and will never go back so I'm not complaining if you've had a bad experience. I think that if you get a good Kahr - which is the likely outcome - it will stay a good Kahr.

 

[Lakeshore]

Not to nitpick (but I will ), but Foster's character used a K9 in The Brave One, not a P9. John Shaft also carried a K9 in the 2000 rendition of Shaft.

The WarHammer, you are correct sir. After doing a bit of research I must agree with you that she did in fact use a K9 in the movie. Guess I wasn't wearing my glasses in the theater that day. Anyway thanks.

 

[yongxingfreesty]

i finally got to shoot the one I bought on here a while back. friend had 1 FTE which lead to FTF.
I thought he was limp wristing so I tried it out and had 4 fte/ftfs. i have the mk9.

i used winchester white box ammunition(100rds).

when I tested out my carry ammo, it did not jam (speer gold dot).

 

[denfoote]

I love "plastic" Kahr threads!!!

I have an older than dirt Kahr MK9 Elite 98.
I've had it for so long that the original night sights have dimmed and were replaced!!
I've put in three recoil springs and replaced an extractor that unfortunately broke due to my own stupidity in feeding the poor thing a brief diet of wolves!!!

My opinion of Polymer Kahrs is that Kahr almost has it right!!
What they need to do is hire away an engineer from Springfield or Glock or hire a whiz kid from MIT or somewhere with dual Mechanical and Chemical (polymer engineering) degrees.

My only contribution to this is that IF you want a Kahr and you have ANY doubts about the polymer line, GET the stainless version!!!

 

[jocko]

one should do some research and see how many many upgrades glocks has had to make over the year. The frame blocks have all been changed in glocks, None are without fault IMO. Pretty easy to design a gun that you thinks works great "in house" testing but when the public gets it, it is a whole different story. The public is the best beta testers any gun company can have. Kahrs polmers in the lat 4 years have made tremendous lepas. I really do consider them today as good as any polmer gun out there in design. Not that a bug can't show up either but that is in all guns. If the stainless versions weight like my PM9, I would certainly carry the stainless. It seems that any new gun coming out today by most allmakers are "polmer". There has to be a reason for that and it is weight weight weight and certainly cost of mfg-er to.

 

[DeepSouth]

I have been working midnight shift so I haven't done much shooting, I've probably only put an additional 30 or 40 rounds through it, which should get it past the 200 mark. Anyway I haven't had any other problems, and I did get around to shooting off a bench for an accuracy test. I was surprised just how accurate it was, to only have a 3in barrel I didn't expect much but I was able to hit inside a 4in ring at 15 yards. I am pretty sure I could do better if I was used to that loooong trigger.

The break in period was more or less needless, or at least in my case could have been limited to 50 rounds. Although I think a person should be able to expect a gun to work when you buy it, I am not disappointed with the results so far. Heck I like this gun so much I am trying to talk the ol' lady into letting me send it Cylinder and Slide for a little 'tune up'

 

[jocko]

deep south: PM sent

 

[jocko]

Most today

don't need the 200 round break in that kahrs states either . Most are like yours, good to go out of the box.

I agree all should work right out ofthe boxc, but the fact is that most need those rounds down range to get the gun mated correctly with all the moving parts.

I'm sure u remember new cars being told to be driven under a certain speed for so many miles. I just bought a 2010 HD and my dealer said run it under 2500rpm for 500 miles then ride it like u stole it. things just seem top work better wen one does what the owners manual states...

Good luck on your pM9, IMO it is one of the best ccw guns out there..

 

[wvshooter]

Kahr crap, junk, trash

Thought I'd outdo the OP because I like my CW9 as much as he likes his 45. What's with that crazy title anyway? Bought my CW9 used a couple years ago. Many rounds downrange. Never a failure. Nice little gun and conceals very well.

I'll never get over Jodie Foster and her spiffy little Kahr. I especially loved it when the shady character followed her out of the pawn shop and said, "Hey, I might have a gun you'd like."

 

[RedAlert]

Even the most rabid GM, Ford or Mopar fan would admit that occasionally, a lemon gets made and sold to the public.

So too pistol makers. Unless you buy a completely custom weapon at megs-$$$$ purchase price, it is expected that someone will get a lemon. Send it back and have them repair it. There is no reason for one bad weapon to cause the maker a bad reputation.

 

[UnTainted]

I have to say it's not hard to field strip the stainless Kahr mk9 e2003 I have. I think there's a different process for the poly pistols, anybody chime in?

I love my kahr, it's a great gun I carry IWB, IWB tucked, and pocket. Keep it loaded with 9mm +p 147 gold dot. It's never had a problem with reliability, and been fed all kinds of brass cased ammo (over 1K rounds).