Kahr K9 or CZ 75-P01 or Kimber Ultra Carry ll

[desert gator]

Kahr K9 or CZ 75-P01 or Kimber Ultra Carry ll
These are the three guns that I am really debating right now. It would be used as an every day ccw. I currently CCW a glock 23 or a Walther PPS but I get bored and want to mix it up more. The gun would be 9mm with exceprion of Kimber. Here are my pros and cons

Kahr K9-I like the way that it feels in my hand and is nice and slim. I strongly dislike the trigger pull, it is way to long and does not have a crisp breaking point.

CZ 75P01- Just might be my favorite ergos of any gun I have ever held. I also really like the sights that are on it. I dislike the DA/SA I wish it where just one or the other. Also I dont carry one in the chamber, and the CZ slide does not have much to hang onto if you need to quickly pull it out and rack one in.

Kimber Ultra Carry ll- I like the SA trigger and .45 cal. The ergos on it are my least favorite out of the guns mentioned, .45 expensive to practice with, it has several sharp corners.

Whats some of your input especially from guys that have compared side by side these guns.

 

[NG VI]

Well I'm not sure about your decision to carry with an empty chamber, but personally I have experience with the CZ in the form of the PCR, and it is a fantastic gun. The trigger is a little gritty, a little long, but the gun itself is flawless, accurate, and has better ergonomics than any gun I've ever felt, although the FNP-9M is right there with it.

And if you are racking the slide on the draw then it doesn't matter that the CZ is DA/SA, because you will only ever shoot it SA.

 

[desert gator]

Good point NG VI, If im racking the slide it will only be single action.

 

[usp9]

I'm biased towards a CCW that has only one simple operation to perform to fire the pistol...pull the trigger. The Kimber is a two step operation, so that eliminates it for my personal choice. If you dislike the DA trigger of the CZ, how does it compare to the Kahr trigger? The Kahr offers a single trigger weight, a single operation (just pull the trigger) and a very slim, compact package similar to your PPS.

Tough choice. They are all good choices and you can't make a bad decision. I'd pick the Kahr for simplicities sake.

Were you trying the long or short pull Kahr trigger? The New York Trigger is a bit longer than the standard trigger.

 

[Isher]

desert gator -

I'd opt for the P-01, but then again I'm prejudiced.

If you rack the gun, not the slide

You will find it way easier and quicker. And no,

This isn't some gangsta thing.

Applies equally to almost any semi.

I carry with one in the pipe, decocked,

So I can't help you there.

By the way, my other regular is a 97B.

Very nice .45 ACP.


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[sidheshooter]

I'm one of those guys who always gets a little irked when someone asks for advice on very specific choices and then a bunch of folks respond with posts suggesting something else entirely!

That said, here I go breaking my own rule...

The CZ 75 compact can be carried C n' L like a 1911 pattern if you want a quasi-SAO version of the compact CZ, FWIW.

Of course, as mentioned above, it makes little difference for condition 3 carry.

Just a thought; though the 75 compact is heavier than the P-01.

Otherwise, I sort of like the P-01, but my opinion is hardly anything special.

 

[Arthur2001]

What about your needs about magazine capacity ? If you think that 7 rounds is not enough, then you may opine in favour of the CZ P-01 which I like too much. CZ's 16 rounds magazine will be a good choice.
Now let's talk about ccw carrying. The thickmess of this gun "might" cause some issues during concealed carry.
Other two options will provide more thin auto-loaders able to cocealed carry.
If we compare kimberley's handle safety with Kahr's DAO trigger, I will opine in favour of Kahr. A DAO trigger, oblige the user the sense of DA trigger in every pull, which will provide a DA trigger pull discipline. After enough familiarity, DAO trigger will provide accurate shoots and enough safety in daily life.

Conclusion;
If you need 16 rounds magazine in 9mm go for CZ-01 (which is my best out of others)

If 7+1 is fine go for Kahr...

 

[dogtown tom]

I have four Kahr handguns, one is a K9 with the longer "New York" trigger.

That said, I wouldn't recommend a Kahr based on your decision to carry with an empty chamber. Kahr's owners manual recommends loading from slide lock, rather than "racking" the slide. Quite a few Kahrs can easily be racked and will chamber reliably, some require loading from slide lock.

As far as a clean break on the trigger........I agree. Originally I hated it until a friend remarked that it was smoother than any DA revolver he had ever fired. After shooting several thousand rounds I've come to love the short Kahr trigger on my CW9 & PM9 and wish my K9 had the short trigger.

 

[The Bushmaster]

I carry a Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II (summer and winter). Loaded and locked (it IS a 1911 design). Easy to carry. Easy to hide (I'm 130 lbs and 5' 7") Easy to operate. Very accurate...

I have a friend that has two Kahr 9mmX19 (K9 and CW9) and both can not be trusted to operate 100% of the time (he carries a Glock).

I have no CZ. Nor do I wish to own one.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

i voted CZ

 

[Isher]

Kinda like comparing Danner boots

To White's boots

In my opine.


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[The Lone Haranguer]

I picked the P-01, but it was a squeaker, as I like the Kahr K9 very much as well. The CZ won largely by virtue of its holding twice as much ammo yet still remaining reasonably compact. I am not thrilled with three-inch 1911s as they seem to be "hit or miss" WRT functioning. Unless you really need the light rail, I would - and did - prefer the PCR to the P-01.

 

[M2 Carbine]

I don't have any Kahrs.

I like my CZ pistols but out of the many handguns I have that would be good carry guns I chose my Ultra Kimbers.



Personally, I don't think what you carry is nearly as important as being competent with what you carry.

 

[chris in va]

I have a K9, and have shot the P01 a few times. Haven't tried the Kimber.

My K9 is amazing, in a nutshell. Zero malfunctions with both factory FMJ/JHP ammo and my reloads when OAL is set properly. Everyone really likes the gun.

It's very thin, under an inch. Still has heft to tame recoil, very nice trigger. I carry it every day.

The CZ is nice too, but I don't care for the trigger. Lots of grit and creep, like my 75BD. Not as comfortable for IWB carry.

 

[Jed Carter]

CZ is my pick I prefer the PCR to the P01 (don't need a rail), as far as compact 1911 clones go I would not go below a 4" barrel. Kahr, not on my wishlist, I hear good and bad about their products, grain of salt time. Cz reliable, accurate and sexy, I take my PCR everywhere, everytime I leave the house, only wish CZ made a single stack version of the PCR.

 

[Pilot]

I voted P-01 as that was the only CZ choice. I carry a PCR daily and also have a 75B plus the Kadet Kit that works on both.

 

[desert gator]

Well looks like we have a winner. Cz here I come!

 

[RSVP2RIP]

The Kahr takes a little getting used to, but in the end it is worth it. It is like a really short, smooth, DA revolver trigger. The guns has a good natural pointability, but they do recomend loading from slide lock as mentioned above. Mine is an old sight style early one and loads just fine racking the slide, but you wouldn't know until you had already bought it. BTW, mine does have a clean break at the end without stacking. It might have been an induvidual gun that you tried with a mushy trigger.

 

[Ala Dan]

Kimber Ultra Carry II

.45 ACP firepower, from a small package~!

 

[geronimo509]

I voted for the Kimber UCII....see below

 

[Willy G.]

Couldn't pass this up.