Kahr PM9 - alternatives, accessories

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That being said Kahr also has a pretty poor reputation for working out of the box.
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Let's not lump in the PM/CM9 models with the 40 and 380 ones. I understand from your post that you had to send your PM9 back twice (why?), so I can understand your feelings towards them - but taken as a whole, the 9mm models seem to be really darn good out of the box.
 
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Let's not lump in the PM/CM9 models with the 40 and 380 ones. I understand from your post that you had to send your PM9 back twice (why?), so I can understand your feelings towards them - but taken as a whole, the 9mm models seem to be really darn good out of the box.
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The all metal ones seems to be less troublesome. Read the review. I had a 380 and a 45. The 45 went back at least 3 times and was replaced with a new gun. The 380 went back twice. I am part time at a LGS, most Kahrs purchased go back. For the price they should be better. Like the Kimber Solo it has a poor record also. I would rather pay less money for a Kel Tec and send it back. At least they are nice and helpful and I did not fork out over $600 for the gun.

I 'd rather not debate the merits or lack of the Moon Guns. Like I said I do carry one every day but the amount of testing and hassle was it worth it??

Shield and Sig work out of the box.

Nano did not, Kahr did not, Rougbah did not. Kimber did not.

A CZ Rami or CZ PO1 alloy would be a nice choice for the OP if not to large.
 
Bought my PM9 used for a deep concealment IWB gun. I have owned quite a few all metal .Kahrs over the years with zero problems. I held off on buying the polymer version because of the kind of bad reports found on this thread. I finally found one cheap enough used to take the plunge. Long story short it has run flawlessly with any and all ammo I have tried.

YMMV
 
I have had excellent experience with my PM9 which I carry daily. It disappears and I could forget I have it in a Crossbreed MiniTuck deluxe IWB. I picked up a cw9 and haven't carried or shot it as much but no problems with it either. plastic front sight on the C series vs metal on the P but it hasn't fallen off yet. I've never had a malfxn with either one.
 
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The all metal ones seems to be less troublesome. Read the review. I had a 380 and a 45. The 45 went back at least 3 times and was replaced with a new gun. The 380 went back twice. I am part time at a LGS, most Kahrs purchased go back. For the price they should be better. Like the Kimber Solo it has a poor record also. I would rather pay less money for a Kel Tec and send it back. At least they are nice and helpful and I did not fork out over $600 for the gun.

I 'd rather not debate the merits or lack of the Moon Guns. Like I said I do carry one every day but the amount of testing and hassle was it worth it??

Shield and Sig work out of the box.

Nano did not, Kahr did not, Rougbah did not. Kimber did not.

A CZ Rami or CZ PO1 alloy would be a nice choice for the OP if not to large.
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Simple math from your two posts adds up to you sending your three Kahr pistols back to the factory a total seven times?
I salute your courage to still carry a Kahr for SD.

I must be very, very lucky with my PM9's flawless performance.
 
340PD said:
Simple math from your two posts adds up to you sending your three Kahr pistols back to the factory a total seven times?
I salute your courage to still carry a Kahr for SD.

I must be very, very lucky with my PM9's flawless performance.
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Yes the math is about right! The only Kahr I still have is the PM9 I still have my log books of every brand and amount of ammo I put through those damn guns,

Fail to fire, fail to eject, stovepipes. Captured spring falls apart, mag will not stay in, slide stop lever works it way out. This is after the ridiculous fire "200 round break in"

Yes I am jaded and have a very bad opinion of Kahr especially after writing to the head Management and never receiving a reply back

The PM 45 was the worst of the 3. I have several friends that had issues with their 380's.

The PM 9 is flawless now and I trust it. It is incredibly accurate for a small gun.

I will never do business with them again. I do give the repair dept customer service credit They di work on the guns and returned them timely until another issue came up! I got to be pretty chummy with the guy with British accent!:)
 
I have the PM9 & find it to be a very nice CCW. But as I open carry, I don't use it much. I have shot it some over the years I have owned it & had no problems,other than hi-cap mags. They are very nice & have great triggers . I had problems with the Kel-Tec PF-9. It didn't wont to eject the rounds! I have not owned a CW9 but the one I looked at seemed fine. If I was looking for a CC gun I would buy a Kahr. But I would choose the lites & smallest one. JMO.
 
Sorry for all your trouble. I admire your tenacity and sticking with the PM9. It is interesting but many manufacturers seem to be hit and miss. I have one of the first Kimber Ultra CDP's 3" with the internal extractor, and that gun got a lot of bad press at the time for it's unreliability, especially the slides with the external extractor installed.

I carry and shoot mine on a regular basis with all types of ammo and have yet to find a flaw in that gun. Now the SOLO...........................
 
"Life is like a box of chocolates":)

When it's a Kel Tec you don't mind so much has it did not cost so much. They have great service and usually get them fixed or send you the parts.

Some day I tell the story of the Rohrbaugh R9:eek: The most expensive, well made precision piece of non functioning junk I ever bought

When the company was owned by the brothers. At least they were extremely nice and gave me a full refund,
 
I own two P9's and a CM9. All three have been flawless. I just picked up a CW45 with three mags and the factory box at a pawn shop for $250 OTD. I haven't shot it yet, but if it goes bang at all it will have been worth the price.
 
I have to admit I shoot the CM9 well. it's a surprisingly accurate gun. This is 10 rounds at 21 feet, and 7 rounds basically made 1 hole, the shot group is about 1.75"

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At 50 feet I am able to create 3.5" shot groups. I'm happy with the accuracy.
 
I picked up a PM9 awhile back. Finally got the 200rd recommended break-in done (201 to be exact) Runs like a champ. The only issue I had at the range was the mag fell out - but that was my fault. Changing my grip and I hit the release button and didn't notice that it popped out slightly in between shots.

Overall I really like the size, function, accuracy at short range. The only reason I would get rid of it is if I could score a Sig 938 for a decent price.
 
I have a Kahr PM9 and a K9 both great guns but....my first PM9 (purchased ~8-9 years ago) had significant issues. Slide fit to frame caused shaving of material off frame and when this was over(100-200 rounds), I experienced what the factory called "peening" which resulted in gun just completely jamming and locking up. Slide was just frozen on gun which resulted in factory just giving me a new gun to replace the original. The second gun for whatever reason was completely trouble free, totally accurate with a nice, long smooth trigger that was easy to learn and be comfortable with as CC pistol. I purchased K9 several years after the PM9 and this gun has had all the same characteristics and the PM9 but significantly easier to hold (full grip) and longer site radius. I own Kimbers with a much worse track record but ultimately they were fixed by the factory as well. I think the real test of any product is how you are treated after the purchase when things go wrong. If a manufacture doesn't give you problems, and fixes a defect then its all good. Life isn't trouble free so I don't get to upset when things are not perfect. Also being a mechanical engineer, I understand manufacturing defects and assembly problems. I sweat every detail of my designs but am always amazed to see others interpretations of how things are supposed to be assembled so I am not surprised when the occasional bad gun slips out of a factory.
 
I like the Kahr guns in general, and currently own 3, (P380, PM9, K9 Elite). All are trouble free.

I am going to recommend an upgrade that in other guns I would warn against. Kahr makes replacement stainless steel guide rods. Third party guide rods I recommend against, but because they are made by Kahr for Kahr, I decided to trust them, and I find I like them alot. The added weight forward is slight, but it made a small, yet noticeable improvement in the accuracy of follow up shots for me.

I use stellar rigs kydex pocket holsters for my P380 and PM9. They weigh a bit less than a similar leather pocket holster, and the design prints like a square wallet, when it does print (like when sitting down).
 
I want to thank everyone for sharing their opinions and experience.

The CM9 is home now, so it is time to do some internet shopping for holsters. I am looking forward to run the obligatory 200 rounds through it next weekend.
 
In addition to Amazon, you might want to try a couple of the big online retailers of gun parts and accessories -- Cabelas, Brownells, MidwayUSA, etc. -- to get all of your holsters from one source to save on shipping.

Aside from that, looking at subcompact 9mm gun and holster options myself recently, I like the Remora for a dual purpose pocket/IWB or pocket/OWB depending on the mode, the Kangaroo Carry for deep concealment, maybe Crossbreed for a tuckable IWB/AIWB option and Blackhawk nylon for straight OWB.
 
I use the Nemesis holster for my R9 and CM9 - affordable functional holster that works.

One thing though - for front pocket carry, my Nemesis started to form-fit my R9 so the holster doesn't break up the profile of the gun nearly as much as it used to.

It doesn't scream "Gun" but I can notice a slight "L" shape in my front pocket where I didn't notice that before, On the other hand, I had someone look right at it and ask me if I carry my wallet in my front pocket.
 
Really, my opinion is that the PM9/CM9 is one of the finest 9mm concealed carry designs ever made. They shoot well, they conceal nicely, and they're reliable. What more could you ask from a 9mm concealed carry weapon?

I picked up my CM9 yesterday and have been giving it the dryfire treatment. I'm more than confident it will be an awesome shooter and quite reliable like my PM9 was.
 
Good luck with your new CM9. I have had mine for a month so far, around 300 rounds through it, I have had a few malfuctions not related to the gun. All have been magazine related, the gun with the 6 round magazines has run flawlessly. The 7 round magazines have a design flaw and its apparent by just looking at a loaded mag. The follower does not keep all rounds at the same angle. The first round when loaded is properly angled toward the feed ramp, subsequent rounds are flat in the mag. There is about 1/4 inch at the nose between the first round and the second. So any disruption of the first round, in the mag holder, pocket or upon reload puts the first round in a nose down position. This became a problem for me upon practicing reloading. If you reload quickly, which I practice and don't have perfect alignment while inserting the mag I have induced the nose down malfunction with the 7 rounders. This means when I hit the slide release (as per the book) I get a round stuck under the feed ramp.

Again, this is not with the 6 rounders only the factory 7 round extended mags. So I called Kahr yesterday and will be mailing them back to Kahr for replacement with six rounders. I don't need the extention anyway. They were nice and respectul on the phone and seem to be aware off the problem without actually saying so. I have read that they have designed a new follower that eliminates this problem. I have also read that this problem does not exist on the 8 round mags either, it is purely a 7 round magazine issue.

This was the only malunction type I experienced. I shot Fiocci 124 Grain FMJ, Aquila 115 FMJ and my carry load 124 Grain Speer Gold Dot. All were accurate and once that first round was chambered on the 7 round mags the gun blazed away, no problem.
 
I have the Sneaky Pete for my P380, and don't like it. The flap has a magnetic closure, and it isn't strong enough, IMO. Also the leather is a bit soft. I had no confidence that the holster would retain the gun under adverse conditions, like running. Note that I did not test it while running. It just wasn't confidence inspiring.

Sneaky Pete does make a pocket holster for spare mags that I really like.

Once again, I highly recommend the Stellar Rigs pocket holster. Specifically, the Model A with C-10 texture. It is a no nonsense design that works. When it prints, it prints very square.

http://www.stellarrigs.com/Stellar_Pocketholsters.html
 
I picked up my CM9 yesterday and have been giving it the dryfire treatment.
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Are you using snap caps or just dry firing it on empty chamber? I was used to dry fire CZ75 on double action, cycling the snap caps in and out is a bit of hassle.
 
When I first got my CM9 I used snap caps. Besides dry firing, I pulled the slide back about 200 times also.

And when I went to the range - I used 124gr NATO ammo for the first 200 rounds.

I personally think its best to use stout ammo for the break-in period. That's the conclusion I came to from reading Kahr Talk. And it worked for me. I haven't had a FTF or FTE with my CM9, - no functional problems whatsoever.
 
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