Kahr PM9 - alternatives, accessories

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Sig, Colt, Star, BHP, and Kahr and Federal 9BP/9BPLE

Maybe I should have bought a Lottery Ticket during this time, but with that ammunition and those pistols, none of those ever failed to feed, fire, extract, and eject.

None required a 'break in' period.

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I have the CM9. It has been fine so far. I don't see a reason to spend another few hundred dollars for the PM9. I do not know if Kahr has improved QC; it seems so on recent guns.

The alternatives are the SIG P938 and that's about it for 9mm.

If you want a good 380, look at the Ruger LCP for a true pocket gun. Everyone should have one. The Kahr 380 is not so good. There are quite a few competitors that seem good in this size.
 
After two hours of choosing and clicking, I was about to check out on Amazon, only to find out they won't send holsters overseas. Or electronics. Or whatnot. I have previously bought only books from them so I didn't even think it would be a problem. The same with Cabela, Midway. Kahr ships only to United States, Brunei, New Zealand and USA. Yep, US 2: Czech Republic 0 :banghead:

I mean Brunei? Really?

New Zealand with no concealed or open carry?

I am seriously disappointed.
 
Just a tip when dry-firing a CM9, if you want good follow-through, practice with a magazine in the well. If you dry fire with no magazine, the front sight will drop slightly when the trigger breaks and no amount of proper grip and trigger control will resolve it, its just the way the gun functions. With a magazine in the well the sight will remain steady with good trigger pull.
 
Bummer Snajdarek. Do any of these retailers say why?

I use a Galco ambi pocket holster with my CM9.

I also have a Blackhawk pocket holster, which I don't like as much because it doesn't grip the pocket as well, the gun doesn't fit as well, and because the opening collapses in your pocket after you pull out the gun.

Good Luck with the holster. Let us know what you find out
 
Sure, no problem. Hope they ship for you. Also good luck with your new CM9, it is a very good pistol.

By the way, I'm surrounded by many of your Czech brothers and sisters here in Central Texas. Jak se mas!!
 
The funny thing is that having VZ grips send me a pair for my CZ was without problems. One would expect an actual part of a gun to be harder to get then some holster.

Texan Czechs you say? Do you live in the Czech Belt? Do you like kolache? I bake chocolate cakes and chocolate muffins (I guess you can see the pattern) but when I tried to learn baking kolache from my grandma, I just found out it is a bit too much. I guess I could do it if I really tried hard, but it is too much effort, too complicated and delicate process. Maybe when I'm older.
 
Oh yeah, there is every kind of kolache you can think of here. We have a very rich Czech heritage here. There are many towns around here founded by Czech imigrants going back to the 1870's.

Did you here back from DeSantis? Will they ship?
 
No reply from DeSantis yet. However one of the forum members was kind enough to offer help in the matter, so things seem to be on the right track anyway, hopefully. I'd still prefer not to bother anyone with that, so I'll give DeSantis some time.
 
Ruger LCP has horrendous reputation in the Czech Republic. I met few people who had them and were very happy to part with them. It may be more of an urban legend now, but LCP is simply something a good Czech should not put hands on.

Do you have different experience?

Yep, I was happy to sell my LCP away and got Kahr P9.
Only problem is, i cannot get 7dr. mags for it. Just those sticking out 8drs.. resp. I have been too lazy to ask Alliance (Kahr importer) to import one for me.

On the other hand, i had no problem with finding holster (letfhanded) - Czech made Dasta for CZ 50/70 fork really well withou any trouble for last 3 years of daily carry. Same coul be said about Dasta made holster for my ex-LCP i just used holster for ZVi Kevin.
 
I bought a Kahr PM9 when they first came out (what, 10 years ago?). Very nice & reliable little gun - carried it in a Desantis in a jacket pocket for cool weather. Warm weather, carried a KelTec P32.

6 years ago started carrying a Ruger LCP in the Desantis for warm weather shorts & T-shirts.

Gave the PM9 to my oldest son three years ago & replaced it with a Kahr CW45 in a Remora holster.

I recently started pocket carrying my new Kahr CT380 - that pistol is a perfect fit & nice all around size - thinner than the CM9 but not much smaller otherwise.

Am thinking about a CW9 just to fill the gap between the .45 & the .380. However, I would change the bulky plastic CW9 magazine base plate for a flush fit steel one like I did with the CW45 (actually bought an Italian made MecGar .45 ACP Officer's 6 round magazine & "dremmeled" the feed lips a bit to get it to function on the slide lockback properly).

Anyway, I think the Kahrs are very nice pistols - good quality in the materials, fit & finish - and reliable. Don't care if some owners had a bad experiences with theirs (all brands aren't all perfect) - mine run great and have been excellent values.

Snejdarek, I hope yours gives you satisfaction like they have for so many others.

BTW - Mrs. Armybrat is of Czech descent - by way of California, but raised here in Central Texas. We love kolaches too. My ancestors were from Heidelberg, Germany and came over here in 1754.

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Did you here back from DeSantis? Will they ship?

DeSantis still no reply. Kahr However wrote back to me:

"We do not process orders shipping outside of the US.

Thank you,

Kahr Arms
Customer Service
(508)795-3919"

No hellos, no best regards. Customer service level USSR.

My ancestors were from Heidelberg, Germany and came over here in 1754.

Heidelberg is definitely one of the places in Germany to visit. Did you go there already? I'd recommend this and a couple of small towns in the area like Trier over Berlin.
 
Never have been to Europe, but the wife & I are planning a trip for 2016.
Two of my brothers have visited in recent years, while my father had no desire to ever return there after being shot at by the Wehrmacht in 1944-45. lol
 
So I will be taking the CM9 for the first time to range tomorrow. Is there something I should know about the process of cleaning as regards this gun? Is there anything specific to know about plastic guns in general?

I use CZ gun remedy oil for my CZ75.
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A gun store/ indoor range owner used to let me shoot what I believe was a 3 to 4 inch 9mm Kahr that he kept at the cash register. The gun was a 9mm and I remember it shot well. I don't remember it jamming. It had a smooth revolver like trigger. It has been over ten years since I shot that Kahr. It seemed like a safe gun to carry.

What is your ammo availability like in the Czech Republic? Are you pretty much limited to 380, 9mm, 38 special? I believe you said that you can't carry hollowpoint ammo for self defense? Do some folks carry semi wadcutters in revolvers? It's interesting to learn about another country's outdoors and shooting culture.
 
My great grandmother Houska referred to herself as a Bohemian. I think she was trying to say she was a Czech from the area around Prague. She loved dancing and schnapps, and she always smelled like garlic. I'm glad I had a chance to know her.

Back on topic...aren't there any companies in the Czech Republic that make holsters for Kahr?
 
I love my cm9. I replaced the sights with tru glo night sights. One nice thing about the pm9 is the front site is dovetailed so it just slides out. with the cm9 you have to punch out the front sight which pretty much destroys the factory sight.

Im a new shooter, so I dont know if this is good or not, but I can group about 6-8 inches at 25 yards.

You might need to get a sight tool to slide the rear sight out.

I use a sticky holster. Smallest, lightest full coverage holster I could find. Remora is the more common brand for this style of holster.

Downside is you cannot reholster directly into the waistband. You have to untuck the holster, holster then gun then retuck into waistband.

I use 7 round magazines. 8 rounders exist but I read something which said that they might not feed as well. I wish I had bought at least one to try out. i have had the feed problem with the 7 rounders, if the nose of the first round gets pushed down it will get stuck on the ramp.

I had a glock 42, but didnt end up liking it. The cm9 is softer to shoot. If glock comes out with a single stack 9 I will prob buy it.

the manual suggests a 200 round break in period. About every 100 rounds with my cheap remanufactured practice ammo the slide locks back when the magazine still is full. Might be the rounds are too hot?
 
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The first day at range with CM9. I originally wanted to run the break in 200 (Sellier & Bellot 119 grains FMJs, 124 grains SPs) through it, but it was too punishing on my wrist. I did about 100 and my GF about 50. Around 130 the slide would lock back even though the mags weren't empty, as txblackout wrote. Nothing that a slight tap on the slide wouldn't solve, but between this, wrist pain and my GF's bitten skin from the slide lock, we shot the other 100 we took with us through CZ75. Apart from the side lock, everything went really smooth. Took me a while to get used to the long but not that hard trigger pull, but in the end I feel I can trust myself to carry with a round chambered without fearing about shooting myself in the leg. I am really happy about this little gun.
What is your ammo availability like in the Czech Republic? Are you pretty much limited to 380, 9mm, 38 special? I believe you said that you can't carry hollowpoint ammo for self defense? Do some folks carry semi wadcutters in revolvers? It's interesting to learn about another country's outdoors and shooting culture.
Hi, since this is the country of Sellier & Bellot, which I believe is the oldest still functioning ammo manufacturer in the world, ammo availability is not an issue as far as I can tell. Probably not every shop has every type of cartridge, but getting what you want should not be a problem. http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/pistol-and-revolver-ammunition.php

The law says that one may not use a round with "a higher wounding potential" for self defense. Which means that in general, expanding ammo is a big no-no. (Unless you are going hunting and someone attacks you in the woods and you use your expanding ammo intended for hunting to stop the attacker, but that has never happened to anyone in past 20 years). There is a debate about use of shots in revolvers. I think that it is a borderline issue and it is not worth it to turn otherwise "good" (legal, legitimate) self-defense shooting into a possible criminal or civil liability. I know that some people use flat-head rounds in their revolvers, but I never asked details on that.

Otherwise, we are not limited as regards the cartridge. You can have anything from .25 AUTO pocket gun to .50 MBG sniper rifle. Considering that and prohibition of "ammo with higher wounding potential" some people might tend to go the way of .357, .44 or .45, but as far as I can tell most carry 9mm Luger. I know a guy who moved here from Canada and who carries a large .44 revolver for self-defense. I guess he wants to make up for all the years he could not carry in Canada. Needless to say, concealed carry is the only option.
My great grandmother Houska referred to herself as a Bohemian.
Bohemian was the English word to describe Czechs that was taken from latin and prevalent over "Czech" until about 1850s. Then the "Czech" from Czech language "Český" became more prevalent in English.

At the same time, the Czech Crown Lands (the kingdom that is basically in the same borders since about 900 AD as is today's Czech Republic) consist of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia. So if one wants to distinguish themselves from Moravian Czechs, they may also say they are Bohemian even today - without referring to the whole nation. I hope it makes sense.

If your mother was from around Prague, then yes, she would be a Bohemian Czech.

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Back on topic...aren't there any companies in the Czech Republic that make holsters for Kahr?
I don't think that Kahr is that much sold here. I tried a couple of holsters in about that size but the gun felt loose in it. One of forum members kindly offered forwarding them to me, so this issue should be solved soon.
 
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