Carl N. Brown
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Carrrying a breaker bar, or shotgun, or tire tool with intent to use as a weapon of offense or defense is considered a crime where I live. Considering most posters on this thread hail from NY this is a pretty amazing thread.
I do not know the details about New York law on carry versus transport of arms, but on people getting hit with illegal gun carry, there were a recent (2011) state supreme court ruling on a 2005 Illinois case which I followed from postings on Volokh Conspiracy (Indiana man with Indiana carry permit transporting gun passing through Illinois), and the new Gov. of New Jersey recently released a new NJ resident who had received 7 years for transporting unloaded firearms in a vehicle while moving personal property to a new residence. From the depiction of NY gun laws in the TV news and Law'n'Order shows, NY, IL and NJ sound equally harsh on just owning or transporting guns, much less carrying in a vehicle as a weapon, which what keeping a gun in your trunk in NY sounds like. Spending six years in appellate court or lucking up on a new pro-gun rights governor does not sound like an inviting prospect.
Where I come from, "keeping" a gun in a vehicle is considered a crime of "going armed for offense or defense" while transporting a gun from one place where it is legally owned (home) to where it can be legally used (rifle range or hunting field) is not a crime. One of the factors that tipped me toward getting a carry permit to go legally armed for defense was the fact that I cross four county and two municipal jurisdictions visiting my uncle's farm for shooting and some cops are skeptical of people claiming to be legally transporting arms when they suspect the person may be going illegally armed for offense.
(I am amazed that some posters from NY even consider the subject of keeping guns in a vehicle for purposes of going armed in public. A few sound really intent on provoking the hornet's nest. I watched the C-Span performance of Chuck Schumer during the Waco hearings in the 1990s. I read Madison Avenue ad man Carl Bakal's "NO Right to Bear Arms" in the 1960s. The editor of Harper's magazine visited my hometown from New York, and wrote an op-ed when he got home about the experience of being in a hotel in a conference center the same weekend as a Gun Show, and wrote about the horrors of being surrounded by guns in "Deliverance" country. I am well aware of the semi-official New York attitude toward guns and the people who own them. And, yes, NY gun laws are my business because NY politicians want to impose the Sullivan Act nationwide. Skirting the laws on going armed in public sounds to me like an unnecessary provocation that folks like Schumer could use curtail gun rights nationwide.)
I do not know the details about New York law on carry versus transport of arms, but on people getting hit with illegal gun carry, there were a recent (2011) state supreme court ruling on a 2005 Illinois case which I followed from postings on Volokh Conspiracy (Indiana man with Indiana carry permit transporting gun passing through Illinois), and the new Gov. of New Jersey recently released a new NJ resident who had received 7 years for transporting unloaded firearms in a vehicle while moving personal property to a new residence. From the depiction of NY gun laws in the TV news and Law'n'Order shows, NY, IL and NJ sound equally harsh on just owning or transporting guns, much less carrying in a vehicle as a weapon, which what keeping a gun in your trunk in NY sounds like. Spending six years in appellate court or lucking up on a new pro-gun rights governor does not sound like an inviting prospect.
Where I come from, "keeping" a gun in a vehicle is considered a crime of "going armed for offense or defense" while transporting a gun from one place where it is legally owned (home) to where it can be legally used (rifle range or hunting field) is not a crime. One of the factors that tipped me toward getting a carry permit to go legally armed for defense was the fact that I cross four county and two municipal jurisdictions visiting my uncle's farm for shooting and some cops are skeptical of people claiming to be legally transporting arms when they suspect the person may be going illegally armed for offense.
(I am amazed that some posters from NY even consider the subject of keeping guns in a vehicle for purposes of going armed in public. A few sound really intent on provoking the hornet's nest. I watched the C-Span performance of Chuck Schumer during the Waco hearings in the 1990s. I read Madison Avenue ad man Carl Bakal's "NO Right to Bear Arms" in the 1960s. The editor of Harper's magazine visited my hometown from New York, and wrote an op-ed when he got home about the experience of being in a hotel in a conference center the same weekend as a Gun Show, and wrote about the horrors of being surrounded by guns in "Deliverance" country. I am well aware of the semi-official New York attitude toward guns and the people who own them. And, yes, NY gun laws are my business because NY politicians want to impose the Sullivan Act nationwide. Skirting the laws on going armed in public sounds to me like an unnecessary provocation that folks like Schumer could use curtail gun rights nationwide.)