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Keith's Preference In Sixguns
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https://rimrockbullets.com/xcart/gas-checked-cast-lead-bullets
I shoot a lot of gas checked Keith style, 38 caliber 158gr SWC-HPs from Rimrock Bullets of Polson, MT. Although, I don't remember them being quite so pricey the last time I ordered a "flat-rate shipping" box of them. I guess everything is more expensive nowadays.
BTW, Rimrock Bullets come in those MTM plastic ammo boxes, which is nice because you get an ammo box with every 100 bullets. Although, trying to get just 10 or 20 Rimrock bullets out of a box of 100 has frustrated me on several occasions.
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I need to check those out. It’s always good to have a variety of Keith designed bullets for the.38/.357.https://rimrockbullets.com/xcart/gas-checked-cast-lead-bullets
I shoot a lot of gas checked Keith style, 38 caliber 158gr SWC-HPs from Rimrock Bullets of Polson, MT. Although, I don't remember them being quite so pricey the last time I ordered a "flat-rate shipping" box of them. I guess everything is more expensive nowadays.
BTW, Rimrock Bullets come in those MTM plastic ammo boxes, which is nice because you get an ammo box with every 100 bullets. Although, trying to get just 10 or 20 Rimrock bullets out of a box of 100 has frustrated me on several occasions.
MacAR
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Thanks guys! Gonna have to check those out pretty soon.
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While I am not a fan of the 357 S&W Magnum, I do have a Heavy Duty from 1950 with a 5” barrel.
My favorite load to shoot in it is the Skeeter load with the 358156 loaded long in 38 S&W Special cases with 2400 powder. It hits to the sights.
Kevin
My favorite load to shoot in it is the Skeeter load with the 358156 loaded long in 38 S&W Special cases with 2400 powder. It hits to the sights.
Kevin
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Lot of good reading there, thanks!
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BobWright
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I don't want to detract from that grand old man, Elmer Keith, but Phil Sharpe probably had more to do with the development of the .357 Magnum than Keith did. I believe Sharpe and Doug Wesson plus engineers with the ammunition companies were the real designers of the .357 Magnum.
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Yes, Sharpe said he didn't design the .357 to the point of false modesty, he sure played a part.
The original .357 SWC was closer to his design than Keith's. What Phil really liked was his own 146 gr hollow point.
The original .357 SWC was closer to his design than Keith's. What Phil really liked was his own 146 gr hollow point.
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So did Elmer, seemed to prefer an overloaded .38 with his heavy SWC to a Magnum.
It seems like ".38-44" is being taken by some as a generic term for a heavily loaded .38 Special.
It was a specific factory load under various names like .38 Special High Velocity.
It claimed a 158 gr lead roundnose about 1100 fps in whatever test barrel they used at the time that gave a standard .38 as 850 fps.
Elmer's load and Phil's load and Skeeter's load are not .38-44, they are a good bit heavier.
It seems like ".38-44" is being taken by some as a generic term for a heavily loaded .38 Special.
It was a specific factory load under various names like .38 Special High Velocity.
It claimed a 158 gr lead roundnose about 1100 fps in whatever test barrel they used at the time that gave a standard .38 as 850 fps.
Elmer's load and Phil's load and Skeeter's load are not .38-44, they are a good bit heavier.
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As to the .38-44, there were two .38-44 cartridges, and derived their name from the same design. The designation came from the fact that the cartridge was a .38 caliber (nominally) intended for use in a .44 framed revolver. The first was a target cartridge introduced in the late 1800s and had the bullet seated entirely within the case. The .44 was the No. 3 Target top break. The latter was the variation of the .38 Special.
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Jim Watson
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Right, but I doubt Elmer et al cared.
I had one and it was kind of interesting to fool with (trimmed .357 Maximum brass) but like a .38 SAA, the smaller holes in barrel and cylinder made for a heavy and ill-balanced revolver.
I had one and it was kind of interesting to fool with (trimmed .357 Maximum brass) but like a .38 SAA, the smaller holes in barrel and cylinder made for a heavy and ill-balanced revolver.
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Been a while since I read any of Keith's writings, don't recall him mentioning the Colt New Service.
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I do remember his mentioning the New Service, but he was not too taken with it, as the grip didn't suit his hand. He preferred the heavy framed S&W revolver. I'd have to dig out my copy of Sixguns By Keith.
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The fact that Mr. Keith started experimenting in the 1920's may have some impact on his likes and availability of the times.
The idea that a SSA is somehow a great combat handgun is pretty far fetched 148 years after it was introduced. Yes between a stick and a 1873, I'll take the 1873, but in modern terms no thanks. Remember, even when the 1873 was issued to the US Cavalry the saber was use right handed and the revolver left handed. Almost in a secondary role.
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The idea that a SSA is somehow a great combat handgun is pretty far fetched 148 years after it was introduced. Yes between a stick and a 1873, I'll take the 1873, but in modern terms no thanks. Remember, even when the 1873 was issued to the US Cavalry the saber was use right handed and the revolver left handed. Almost in a secondary role.
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UncleEd
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Just a point of fact that has nothing to do with Keith.
By 1876 the saber was in retirement. Custer in his
last campaign and his regiment carried no sabers.
They show up in movies and were possibly used as an
intimidation weapon for crowd control or for ceremonial
duties.
Just another point of fact, Custer at the Little Big Horn
had short hair as per the Army's latest regulations.
Perhaps he gave himself the haircut with his retired saber.
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The idea that any handgun is a great combat weapon is pretty far fetched. Combat is fought with rifles, grenades, and, at times, bayonets. Anybody who goes into combat armed only with a handgun is an idiot. Clandestine operations not withstanding.
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Someone even remotely capable with a SAA will blow the socks off some untrained low level gangbanger
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Yup, on p. 35 of my reprint of the '61 edition he says, "For men with extra large hands, the New Service Colt has always been very popular."
My XL hands can barely reach the trigger. The S&W 1917 is a bit smaller and a far better fit.
MacAR
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Every. Single. Time. Put it this way, I wouldn't want to go up against someone like me armed with an SAA. I like mine and know how to use them. And they most assuredly will still get the job done.
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The thing is... you know you have six shots, with absolutely no reload except a New York. You're fixin' to make those six shots count, probably by turning said gangbanger's head into a canoe.
Quick, reliable, and deadly accurate.
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