Kel Tec P-3AT 380

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Yesterday while at the range I was just looking over the items in the store when I noticed a Kel Tec P-3AT 380.

This gun is half the size of my Bersa Thunder 380 and at $250.00 seemed like maybe a nice carry.

The sales guy was really bussy with someone else so I did not inquire any more about it.

I am wondering if anyone has one of these in this group and what your opinion of it is.

Thanks
 
I only have a few boxes through mine but it has been 100% reliable so far. It is very snappy to shoot because it is so light weight. I wouldn't buy one for a range gun but it works great for pocket carry and occasional shooting.

I have read about some people having problems with theirs but I have been happy with mine. I paid about $250 for it, too.
 
Use the search! There must be a zillion threads about the P3AT, I don't think we really need another right now.

--wally.
 
My wife and I both have 1st generation P3ATs. Neither has bobbled a round in several hundred fired, of different brands of ball and HP. Keep it clean and properly lubed and it should do well for you.

A finger rest from a Bersa .380 fits the magazine of the KelTek perfectly, and helps with control in firing.

lpl/nc
 
Here's another site: www.ktog.org Speaking from my experience,I bought a second generation that never worked right,it went away.I have a first generation that runs flawlessly,it still lives here.Having said that,I believe that a higher percentage of the second generation P3AT pistols function properly right out of the box,as compared to the first generation.
 
I too was curious about the 3AT. I bought a second generation about 6 months ago or so. I was very disappointed at first. Seemed to FTE about every mag, sometimes several times a mag. Tried lots of different ammo, cleaned it religiously, used grease on the contact points. I was about to give up, and FINALLY, it started to work like a charm with Speer Gold Dots. I don't know why, I think it just needed to be broke in more than I thought. Now it shoots completely reliably with Gold Dots and Hydrashoks (and it used to hate the hydroshoks). I've put about 100 through with zero malfunctions now. You have to understand, this was a gun that was seriously jamming every mag previously for the first 200 rounds or so. If I can put another 100 through it with zero problems, then I think it will be good to go.

If you do get one, don't give up on it, they're just too handy and easy to carry not to get it to work.
 
I have a 1st generation P3AT. About 400 rounds total of Federal PD, Corbon, and WWB without a failure.
 
KelTec P3AT

I have had two first generation P3ATs for several years now. One has 1,200 rounds through it and the other has 800 rounds through it. Both have been 100%. At ten yards, I can actually get a decent group with them. Excellent little pocket pistols. I paid about $230.00 for my first one and about $210.00 for my second one, both brand new.

Best regards.
 
so many choice so little cash

Yesterday afternoon I got a big suprise, My uncle Noble came to visit my Grandfather. My uncle Noble lives in W.Va were he owns and operates a gun store. (midway guns) just out side of Phillipy. Since I live here in Ohio i can't buy guns from him at big discounts like i wish :( but the advice and talk is always great. I rushed over to Grandpas to enjoy some good family fun. ya we are a pro gun family.

We chatted about the laws with respect to carry concealed firearms in each state. We talked about several guns. He feels that any gun with proper mantaince is a good gun to carry with some special instructions. like my bersa 380 or the kel-tec 380. He said a 380 is a nice gun but if you have to use it for defence unload the clip. Don't stop till the gun clicks dry. He then said nothing is better for self defence then a 357.

He ask me why when i am at the range do i shoot over 20 yards. He said if I was to shot some one further away then 20 ft that it is not self defence. mmmm, point well noted.

I fired back with, how come you have 5 guns on you right now? under Ohio law your not to have more then one, plus your W.Va permit is worthless here in Ohio. He smiled and said, point well noted. :)

Thanks denfoote, I enjoyed reading through the links.

Thanks to every one who posted there opinions on the Kel-tec 380. after much concideration i think i will buy one. Maybe swing a good discount with a package deal with the purchas of a 357 as well.

guess pistols are to me what high heels are to my girl friend. Need different ones for different outfits. :) by the way, she and my aunt Kathy both carry a N.A.A. 22 mag 5 short daringer
 
I bought a first generation P3AT. It was very reliable.

It had quite a kick to it. I would put some abrasive tape on the grip, in order to make it easier to control. That should reduce the recoil, because it would not squirm in your hand so much.

Another factor is that it is quite difficult to pull the slide back, perhaps caused by the small surfaces. It was a difficult problem for me.

It is terrific in your pocket. You hardly know it's there.

If you could tolerate the two characteristics mentioned above, I'd say go for it. The worse thing to happen is that you would have to send it to the factory once. But that is not too likely.

Bill
 
When you get your P3AT get a Hogue Handall JR for it. It makes a world of difference. I used a drop of super glue to hold it on. With the Handall my wife actually prefers my 380 to her 32 with it on and she's very recoil sensitive.
 
Kel Tek 380

I purchased a new one about two months ago. It jammed on every magazine. After running two hundred rounds through it I took it back. The shop owner was convinced I was not holding it tight enough(limp wristing it). He fired two rounds through it and it jammed on the 3rd. He then admitted he has had some issues with this particular model. I traded it for a S&W Air weight in 38 special. I decided to carry the 38 in a Coranodo vest. Problem was this Kel Tek model was VERY compact so I did some research. The 32 cal in this model is much more reliable so I just puchased one. It is very reliable, after 4 boxes of ammo I have not had any issues. I have heard that Kel Tek has excellent customer service if you do buy one I am sure they can make it right if it has a problem.
Jim
 
Use the search! There must be a zillion threads about the P3AT, I don't think we really need another right now.

Great, the thought police have arrived.

If you are bored with the zillion threads on the P3AT, how about just not read them, instead of discouraging someone from asking a question?

No one is making you read this, are they?

Anyway, the P3AT is a nice little gun, for what it is supposed to be. It is the gun I most often carry, and is so easy to conceal, sometimes you will forget you even have it with you. Mine has been 100 percent reliable, but other people have not had as good luck with theirs.

It is not a target gun, nor a gun you will want to shoot a lot at the range, nor does it pack the wallop of a 44 magnum. For a deep concealment gun, though, it is unsurpassed.
 
Fortunately for me, there are some folks that lack the time or inclination to call Kel-Tec’s toll-free number to have their pistols returned with free shipping under the lifetime warranty.

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The pistol above is one of several used P-3ATs that I picked up for under $200. This one required less than an hour’s effort to become 100%.
 
richh56 said:
He then said nothing is better for self defence then a 357.

Nothing is better for self defense than a reliable gun that you are proficient with. More potent cartidges only serve to increase the margin of error in which the firearm is still somewhat effective.
 
I agree with this

MachIVshooter said:
Nothing is better for self defense than a reliable gun that you are proficient with. More potent cartidges only serve to increase the margin of error in which the firearm is still somewhat effective.

I full agree with this. Being experience with and feeling good about the one you carry is the most important thing.

I try to go to the range and practice with my bersa 380 every two weeks. Since that is the one I carry most of the time. I put 100 rounds through it just about every time I am there. Then I will "play" with something else that I decided to bring that day.


I think in the heat of the moment if one decides to cross that line and use deadly force to protect ones self that the very basic skills one has will be used.

I don't think there is one multi all-purpose gun that is perfect with every situation. Depending on where one is going or going to be doing will dictate that. Things like what type of clothing will one be dressed in, (summer / winter / dress or jeans) might call for something different then what one would carry most of the time.

I take a lot of flak from my friends because I don't have a shell pre loaded in the chamber. I do have the clip loaded fully and the clip in the gun though. I feel that by having to pull the slide back one time just might make the situation change and let cooler heads prevail. This thinking might get me killed like my friends tell me if I every find my self-having to use it. I don't know if this is a mistake on my part or not.

I don't carry extra loaded clips on me. I don't think I will find my self in an all out street war (at least I hope nope, but in today’s world I guess one should never say never).

I don't carry more then one firearm at a time like most of my friends do. Most of which have two or three on them all the time.

I carry because I feel 50% of the population is also carrying (with 5 % having a permit to do so and the other 45% not) the higher percent being the ones I am concerned about.
 
not a big fan

not a big fan of the kel-tec...too long a trigger pull..like dragging a
boat along the Volga! Spend the money and get a seecamp or
look for a grand old colt pocketlite and be happy. (boy, that pockelite DAO is a fine little 380 and sure wish someone would make them again!)
 
Don't have one, I am a N.A.A. Guardian fan myself. They do sell tons of them, and when they work people love them. The 250.00 is going price around here also.

kEVIN
 
I have a P.32 bought a few years ago that runs like a sewing machine. So, I picked up a new (2nd Gen) P3-AT .380 this past summer. Nothing but trouble. After trying several brands of ammo, about 200 rds., the top half went to the factory. Since it came back it runs fine.

Save yourself some time and polish the feed ramp and chamber before you even fire it.
 
Lone_Gunman said:
Great, the thought police have arrived.

If you are bored with the zillion threads on the P3AT, how about just not read them, instead of discouraging someone from asking a question?

No one is making you read this, are they?


Nah man, not thought police, just on the dupe patrol.

I've tried to convince him that without duplicates, gun forums would die. We basically just recycle the same nine threads over and over, but he's hardcore. He knows the old threads, and does not accept dupes.
 
Hi there,

I like the Kel Tec P3-AT and enjoy carrying and shooting mine quite a bit.

Inspite of what is often posted and said, I have yet to have any problems with mine. It is capable of respectable combat accuracy at 7 to 10 yard ranges.

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Chris
 
Recent Purchase and Range Report.

I bought NIB SG Parkerized P-3AT for $280 on Sept. 20 at a local gun shop but couldn't get to the range until Nov 16.

I had a lot of time between buying and actually shooting so I spent some of the time "readying" the gun and myself.

I got two extra mags (3 total). Added Bersa finger extensions to them. http://www.bersa-llama.com/380litepts.html part #48. Added O-rings above the finger extensions. Cleaned the mags (weren't really dirty) and lubed them inside with silicone spray. Polished them outside with car polish.

For the pistol - I field stripped and cleaned it (wasn't really dirty) polished the chamber, feed ramp, and hood, with #600 then #800 emery cloth (it was pretty shiny but it had some Parkerizing on the outside edges of the feed ramp). I deburred the trigger (it was a little sharp on the edges - I just rounded the edges a bit). I added a Pachmyr slip-on grip (trimmed it to fit around the mag release). http://www.pachmayr.com/pachmayr/index.htm model 4. Added a foam insert about 1/4" thick inside the slip-on grip at the backstrap to give the grip a little more depth. I have a large hand with long fingers which made the trigger pull challenging. The foam insert helped - I may even add a bit more. I painted the front sight day-glow red and the rear sight day-glow green. I lubed it with Miltec oil and SlideGlide grease (great stuff - you need just a very, very thin coating and it doesn't drag and build up like most grease does). http://www.brianenos.com/pages/slide-glide.html

I dry fired it with A-Zoom snap caps a couple of hundred times in a number of sessions. http://www.lymanproducts.com/azoom/index.htm I wanted to get used to the trigger while keeping the sights on target. Tried various gripping and trigger pull combinations. Finally found a combination the seemed good. The trigger and the slide smoothed out quite a bit during the dry firing. I cleaned and lubed it once again after the dry firing sessions.

Got 50 rounds of Federal American Eagle 95 gr. FMJ,
50 rounds of Remington High Velocity 95 gr. FMJ,
40 rounds of Federal Hydra-Shok 90 gr. JHP,
and 40 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 90 gr. JHP.

At the range I did most firing at 7 yd., some at 4 yd. Some slow fire from the bench (no sandbags etc. - just rested elbows on bench). Some slow fire standing, some rapid fire standing - all two handed, strong arm fully extended, weak arm bent (sort of Chapmanish).

This is my first gun and I haven't fired a firearm in 40 years so I was a little apprehensive. I expected a lot more recoil than I actually got. It was very manageable (maybe because of the slip-on grip with insert and finger extensions). All went very well. The P-3AT was great and I was pretty good too. Mostly fairly tight groups - averaged about 3" at 7 yd. slow fire, not more than 2" from POA (with a few flyers of course). Most groups were 2" high/right. The 4 yd. firing was rapid fire in a self-defense mode. Must work on that (especially since that's what I got the gun for) - was mostly within 5" of POA, five inch groups and a lot of flyers.

Shot 170 rounds:
50 rounds of the FMJs slow fire- no malfs. Cleaned and lubed the gun.
40 rounds of the JHPs slow fire- no malfs. Cleaned and lubed the gun

20 rounds of the FMJs rapid fire- no malfs.
20 rounds of the JHPs rapid fire- no malfs.

12 rounds of the FMJs in 2 to COM +1 to head pattern - no malfs.
12 rounds of the JHPs in 2 to COM +1 to head - no malfs.

16 rounds mixed ammo in 2 to COM +2 to head pattern - one FTEject on the next to last round (gun was pretty dirty, 79th round since last cleaning).

I'm extremely happy - the gun's a keeper - I'd trust it completely for its purposes :D:D:D

Now I have to get as good as the gun!
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