Kel Tec P32 vs. P3AT or Ruger LCP

chaim

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I have a Ruger LCP, never liked it much, but I keep it around due to its tiny size and how good a pocket gun it makes in theory (in reality, I always pick my S&W 442 when I need a small pocket gun, or occasionally my slightly larger Taurus 856UL when I don't need it to be as small as the 442). It isn't fun to shoot, follow up shots aren't as fast as I'd like, the sights are nearly non-existent, and it isn't reliable with hollow points. I have bought a Crimson Trace laser, but coupled with the Hogue grip sleeve to make longer range sessions manageable, the CT isn't 100% reliable so I mainly just use the sights (I have become decent with them up to about 10 yards).

I have always wanted a KT P32. About 20 years ago, a range buddy had one and I really liked it. However, they haven't been legal for sale in MD (there is nothing about them that would specifically make them prohibited, but they were never on MD's approved handgun list). Every now and then I'd check the list, and a few months ago (6mo to a year?) I noticed that they are now legal in MD.

Now, I am very much considering a P32.

For both guns, the caliber is a bit lacking, I'm not even sure I'd say they are the "minimum", they are actually a bit below the minimum where I'm comfortable. Neither sees reliable expansion when shooting JHP so I'd either go FMJ or the newer Underwood Extreme Defender rounds. I think the advantage actually goes to the lower powered P32 as it would be more comfortable to shoot/more fun at the range. Due to the caliber, both would likely only see occasional carry as a BUG and very occasionally when I can't carry anything bigger (so far, I've never had to go smaller than my 442).

The P32 is a little lighter than the LCP/P3AT, but both are so light that this should have no impact on ease of carry. In theory, the P32 is a little smaller and lighter, but I doubt there would be any practical difference.

The less powerful .32ACP should be more comfortable to shoot out of the P32 than the .380 is out of the LCP despite the slight weight difference in the guns. However, while the P32 may be easier to shoot more at the range due to light recoil, the price difference (.32 is a bit more than double the cost of .380) may limit that enough that there would be no difference in the amount of practice I'd get with the gun (though the .32 practice would be more enjoyable). Of course, quicker follow up shots for the .32 would be an advantage if I ever had to use the gun to defend myself.

Both have terrible sights. However, if recoil is more manageable on the P32, I wouldn't need the Hogue sleeve, and a CT laser may more reliably activate with the P32.

The P32 holds 7 rounds in the mag instead of the LCP's 6 rounds, and you can get a 10 round mag that is still quite concealable (and possibly pocketable). That helps make up for the difference in power.

If I do get a P32, I will keep the LCP, at least until the P32 has proven reliable.

If ammo was closer in price, I'd say the advantages of the P32 outweigh those of the LCP, and I'd likely just enjoy the gun more. However, paying nearly double for ammo does make it a harder choice than it could be.
 
I'm on the lookout for one at my new LGS, which says they get them in every few months.

I originally started my firearms journey with a .40 S&W because I didn't trust a 9. Then I got a Ruger LCP for pocket carry, so I skipped down two steps there. My LCP didn't feed hollowpoints very regularly, but it feeds FMJ okay. I finally figured that if I'm loading FMJ into a .380, a .32 isn't much worse.
 
I got my P32 in 2009 (the first gun I ever bought) Love that gun. I carry it every day. My daughter got hers in 2010. My wife got hers 2years ago.

They are very reliable and fun to shoot. They are loaded with extreme defenders. I also installed the spacer to prevent rim lock. Over 10000 rounds in mine (I stopped counting at 10K). not a single malfunction in any of them.
 
When I was looking for a truly micro semi-auto I thought about getting a KelTec P32 but even back then ammo was hard to come by and fairly expensive when you did find it. So I went with the P3AT instead. Not one of my favorites to shoot it still is a decent alternative to anything that small in a lesser caliber, like a .25 or .22LR.

Since I got a Ruger LCP MAX I have given some thought to selling the P3AT but seeing as it's been discontinued I'm going to hold off doing anything with it for now. Will have to see if KelTec comes out with something new to replace it.
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When I was looking for a truly micro semi-auto I thought about getting a KelTec P32 but even back then ammo was hard to come by and fairly expensive when you did find it. So I went with the P3AT instead. Not one of my favorites to shoot it still is a decent alternative to anything that small in a lesser caliber, like a .25 or .22LR.

Since I got a Ruger LCP MAX I have given some thought to selling the P3AT but seeing as it's been discontinued I'm going to hold off doing anything with it for now. Will have to see if KelTec comes out with something new to replace it.

The P3AT has been discontinued? Makes me think that the future of the P32 is in jeopardy.

.380 ACP pistols outsell .32 ACP pistols in the USA something like 100 to 1, if I remember some stats I heard a few years ago.

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Thread title reads like a question.
My answer: LCP 380 > snub > P32

I have a LCP and it is carried as a 2nd gun, not carried as a primary; I'm able & willing to conceal a more advantageous pistol.
 
When I was looking for a truly micro semi-auto I thought about getting a KelTec P32 but even back then ammo was hard to come by and fairly expensive when you did find it. So I went with the P3AT instead. Not one of my favorites to shoot it still is a decent alternative to anything that small in a lesser caliber, like a .25 or .22LR.

Since I got a Ruger LCP MAX I have given some thought to selling the P3AT but seeing as it's been discontinued I'm going to hold off doing anything with it for now. Will have to see if KelTec comes out with something new to replace it.
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The P3AT has been discontinued? Makes me think that the future of the P32 is in jeopardy.

.380 ACP pistols outsell .32 ACP pistols in the USA something like 100 to 1, if I remember some stats I heard a few years ago.

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Kel Tec dropped the P3AT because it wasn't able to compete with the LCP and other .380's. Since nobody else makes a polymer .32 ACP the P32 has no competition and Kel Tec will make it forever. I think Kel Tec is working on a Gen 2 .380 as the old design was very dated with meh sights and the long heavy trigger.

That will likely be done to the P32 as well.
 
So Keltec discontinued the P3AT…
Kind of bittersweet news. I hate to see any gun be discontinued. I owned one and I hated shooting that little finger pinching knuckle buster but it was great to have in your pocket.

I have not fired a P32. I personally probably would not buy one as ammo isn’t exactly growing on trees and I have zero desire to reload that round.
If you’re serious about the P32 I would look into ammo availability and when you find what the gun likes buy a lot of it so you have practice ammo and carry ammo. Accurate shooting wanes quickly with smaller guns in my experience so practice with the ammo you carry is important.
 
So Keltec discontinued the P3AT…
Kind of bittersweet news. I hate to see any gun be discontinued. I owned one and I hated shooting that little finger pinching knuckle buster but it was great to have in your pocket.

I have not fired a P32. I personally probably would not buy one as ammo isn’t exactly growing on trees and I have zero desire to reload that round.
If you’re serious about the P32 I would look into ammo availability and when you find what the gun likes buy a lot of it so you have practice ammo and carry ammo. Accurate shooting wanes quickly with smaller guns in my experience so practice with the ammo you carry is important.
Kel Tec dropped the PF9 and P11 too, so they've been trimming the fat for a few years now. Other than the PLR I doubt they'll be dropping any more from their catalogue.

Reloading the .32 ACP is easy. Berry's bullets are cheap, 2gr of Bullseye or Red Dot, and done. Not a max load, but enough to function and practice at the range once every few weeks. I'd still carry factory FMJ.
 
Reloading the .32 ACP is easy.

If you don’t have big ol’ hands with big ol’ fingers. :rofl:
But reloading to match an SD round’s performance would be very inexpensive compared to buying the more expensive ammo if you’re already set up for reloading.
 
If you don’t have big ol’ hands with big ol’ fingers. :rofl:
But reloading to match an SD round’s performance would be very inexpensive compared to buying the more expensive ammo if you’re already set up for reloading.
Yeah, if one were so inclined they could trickle up each powder load to the max, it would be time consuming, but accurate and wouldn't be over the max.

For my range reloads I try to not exceed max pressure and to ensure that I stop at .2 gr below max.
 
I've had my P32 since the first or second year they came out...love it. It's been back to FL twice for upgrades...I should probably send it again since they're been upgrading the pistol for years, but I'm afraid they will remove MY upgrades! I tried a P3AT and hated it. The P32 is the perfect pocket pistol for when you are not carrying a gun.
 
I'm a fan of the P32 and can't imagine ever parting with mine.
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I have a P32 and an LCPII. I used to have a P3AT and a couple of other LCP's.

The P32 is easy to shoot but it doesn't have sights, just a trough. IIRC, the slide holds open after the last round.

The P3AT had a challenging trigger and little nub sights. It went bang every time.

The other LCP's were about the same as the P3AT.

The LCPII has superior sights and trigger to the rest. I may be incorrect, but I think the slide holds open on the last round, too.

Over time my hands will probably be too weak and sore to shoot the light 380's anymore, so I have the P32 waiting in the wings.
 
The p3at sucks to shoot , sure but it's not a gun you take out and shoot a bunch really.

I had a choice between the 32 and the p3at , I chose the 380 because of the problems with rimlock on the p32. I just can't bring myself to carry a gun that may jam because of the actual round when the more powerful, and easier to feed sibling exists
 
The p3at sucks to shoot , sure but it's not a gun you take out and shoot a bunch really.

I had a choice between the 32 and the p3at , I chose the 380 because of the problems with rimlock on the p32. I just can't bring myself to carry a gun that may jam because of the actual round when the more powerful, and easier to feed sibling exists

Rimlock is one of two reasons I only buy and shoot round nose FMJ .32 ACP. It fills the magazine from front to rear and virtually eliminates the possibility of rimlock from recoil as long as you are paying attention to how you load the mag. Shorter JHPs and truncated nose .32s can be problematic and I'd save those for the Seecamp pistol which has a magazine designed for those shorter cartridges.
 
chaim, please ditch the ruger lcp and get the keltec p32!

my p32 is my “amex” handgun, i.e. i don’t leave home without it.
 

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chaim, please ditch the ruger lcp and get the keltec p32!

my p32 is my “amex” handgun, i.e. i don’t leave home without it.
I may trade it (or sell it a bit after getting the P32), or I may keep it as a trainer. Counterintuitive to use a gun with more felt recoil as a trainer, but they are very similar, and .380 ammo is cheaper. Not the half as much as I was thinking in my first post... I did a search for Federal and Winchester FMJ, and right now in those it seems that the price difference is double according to ammoseek.com, but there are other quality companies with only a few dollars difference per box. Still adds up though and I may keep the cheaper to shoot gun for more range time since they are very similar other than caliber.


I definitely want to get the P32 soon though. In addition to the fact that I had so much fun with the one a range buddy had so many years ago that is still has stuck with me to today, I love that you can get a 10 round mag (much better than the 6 of the LCP) and still be pocketable.
 
I bought a P32 in 2021. I’m kicking myself for having passed them up for so many years, especially when they were less expensive and more available.

I carry mine daily, and have since grabbed a second one because I like having multiples of my favorite carry guns. Also, I just wanted an extra in case Kel-Tec ever stop’s making these little gems.
 
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