Kel-tec PF9, biggest POS EVER

[MachIVshooter]

They are cheap and it shows in the performance.

Please elaborate. Other than a very vocal few like yourself, most people are overwhelmingly satisfied with the cost/benefit ratio found in KT firearms. I get rid of find that don't perform. Still have all but one of my KT's, and as I said before, it ran fine. Just needed money more than a duplicate firearm.

 

[451 Detonics]

I quit selling Kahr's in my shop because they came back in with problems more than any other gun I sold. I never had to send in a Kel-Tec. Mine has over 2500 rounds of 9mm through it and about 1000 rounds of 22...the gun has never had ant failures except a few that were shooter induced. It gets fed my reloads which use a bullet designed for a revolver, not a semi-auto. It has a big flat point and a gun that feeds it will feed any thing.



I agree with others...send it in and Kel-Tec will do what ever they can to make it right however if it is shooter induced problems they can't do much about that.

 

[hardluk1]

451 .Glad you like KT products but come on , Don't start a kahr bashing tread here. Both mine run 100% also ,just like my pf-9. To many people are both new to shooting AND new and inexperienced to small light semi-auto pistols . So much today is related to two main problems, mags and shooters. The cw9 kahr I have was a problem gun for the first owner and for me doing nothing other than cleaning, looking for burs that i did not find and lubing . It worked so well I went and bought the cm9. Unlike so many cm & pm9's it works 100% with the 7 and 8 shot mags too. Go figure. The only pistol I have ever owned that I could not fix was a KT p-11. Not a big deal, sent it back to KT and came back a great pistol even with cheap stock sw59 mags. My local gun shop is a major firearms dealer and has had no returns for either brand but has had a few custom shop pistols come back. Maybe more a difference in people and there ability to deal with some issues??

To many people just don't take the time to work with the manufactor of a firearm to get it right when a real problem shows up.

 

[Warp]

Please elaborate. Other than a very vocal few like yourself, most people are overwhelmingly satisfied with the cost/benefit ratio found in KT firearms.

I had a 2nd Gen P3AT. It FTE'd 3 times in not very many rounds, after a brief break-in. Sold it. I'm not playing those games, too many excuses not enough proper function. I am much, much happier with my J-frame S&W.

The Sub2000 apparently doesn't like 147gr ammo. Huh? If it can't be trusted with run of the mill factory ammo for its caliber it can't be trusted.

In fairness I can't really blame the P32. It did work for the few rounds I put through it. I just had a change of heart regarding piddly little mouse guns for defensive use.

 

[Uniquedot]

If you don't give the manufacturer or service provider a chance to make things right, you really have no grounds on which to lambaste them. It's just childish.

Would you jump in on a thread to tell the OP he/she is being childish if the thread read "hi point biggest pos ever"? after all they do have an excellent warranty on those paper weights. I seriously doubt that you would even if you secretly owned one. I doubt that title would upset you. Point is he stated that his K-T was the biggest POS ever. If he has the problems that he say's he does then indeed it's a POS, that does not mean that yours or the next guy's is, but his definitely is. Use the lame limp wrist excuse if you want to, but i think before i assumed the op didn't know how to hold a handgun i would have first paid attention to the fact that he owns and shoots others without problems. It's not childish to call something what it is just to keep from hurting some ones feelings on a public forum. They will make it right for him, but as of now his K-T is the biggest POS ever.

 

[MCgunner]

Yeah, hey, that's an idea! Let's start a "Kahrs suck" thread....

 

[R.W.Dale]

I had a 2nd Gen P3AT. It FTE'd 3 times in not very many rounds, after a brief break-in. Sold it. I'm not playing those games, too many excuses not enough proper function. I am much, much happier with my J-frame S&W.

The Sub2000 apparently doesn't like 147gr ammo. Huh? If it can't be trusted with run of the mill factory ammo for its caliber it can't be trusted.

In fairness I can't really blame the P32. It did work for the few rounds I put through it. I just had a change of heart regarding piddly little mouse guns for defensive use.

It's pure Pollyannaish fantasy to expect an autoloader of any type be it rimfire, rifle or handgun to be 100% ammo insensitive. It just ain't gonna happen.

I can't shoot all 223 ammo in my colt 603 ar15 due to the twist, my glock manual tells me that I should only shoot jacketed 9mm, my old camp 9 couldn't shoot +p and my marlin 60 despises rem golden bullet.

All these firearms are/were in perfect working order. It's up to the shooter to find an ammunition their firearm will function reliably with and why they tell you in training to have at minimum 200rounds of your carry ammo fired without a malfunction before you rely on. They make this recommendation ireguardless of what handgun you show up with.

IMO this thread is like buying new car that the engine has started knocking on and the only corrective action you take is to A/ Drive it more and B/ Gripe about it on the Internet. At no point involving the dealer or making use of the powertrain warranty.


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[Uniquedot]

IMO this thread is like buying new car that the engine has started knocking on and the only corrective action you take is to A/ Drive it more and B/ Gripe about it on the Internet. At no point involving the dealer or making use of the powertrain warranty.

Still wouldn't change the fact that the car YOU purchased was a piece of crap even though your neighbors car of same make and model ran like a champ from day one. Anything i buy should work as advertised from day one, even though there indeed are lemons in every thing made it doesn't change the fact that the lemons are pieces of crap. I would do the same as the OP and gripe about it first and then waste time and money allowing the manufacturer to make it right.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Anything i buy should work as advertised from day one, .

I want to live in this fantasy world you reside in.

If said car gets the engine replaced by a service dpt that bends over backwards for ya and you proceed to put a couple hundred thousand trouble free miles is it still a lemon? No of course not.


Here's a secret! It isn't about the particular bad product (all manufacturers have em) it's all about what they do for you to make it right.



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[JustinJ]

"It's pure Pollyannaish fantasy to expect an autoloader of any type be it rimfire, rifle or handgun to be 100% ammo insensitive. It just ain't gonna happen."

I've yet to find a type of american factory ammo that won't reliably feed my HKP2000 and P2000sk, Glock21 SF, M&P 40, Ruger LC9, Springfield XD or Ruger P89.

"I can't shoot all 223 ammo in my colt 603 ar15 due to the twist, my glock manual tells me that I should only shoot jacketed 9mm, my old camp 9 couldn't shoot +p and my marlin 60 despises rem golden bullet."

Twist rate has nothing to do with reliable feeding. Glock manual says that to err on the side of caution but in reality they will run JHP all day long and +p is not standard ammo and the issue is pressure, not reliable feeding.

"Here's a secret! It isn't about the particular bad product (all manufacturers have em) it's all about what they do for you to make it right."

But manufacturers have them at drastically varying rates. Given the purpose of a sidearm the importance of an extremely low failure rate is paramount compared to other products. I don't know what the rate is for Keltek but it seems way too easy to find accounts of issues for a product that one's life may depend on.

 

[hardluk1]

Thats all good till you turn out to be the owner of a brand new glock seriea 4 or sw custom that does not work out of the box then its poop too!! Just give a company a change to make it right. Also find a shooter with experiance to try it out and look it over.
Of courseif its a Argentinian copy of a colt 1911 it just may be poop.

 

[RyanAnchors]

I like mine! Shoots cheap, crappy, Russian steel case without problems.

 

[Mike1234567]

Gawd... those Ferrari 12 cylinder engines are CRAP!!! Mandatory engine maintenance every 8K miles... darned timing components just won't... stay... put!!! Hell... at least the crappy little Kel-Tecs will run and run and run once the factory makes things right. I guess that makes crappy $250 Kel-Tec guns better than crappy $100,000 Ferrari V12 engines.

 

[bigfatdave]

I had a 2nd Gen P3AT. It FTE'd 3 times in not very many rounds, after a brief break-in. Sold it. I'm not playing those games,

yes, you shouldn't have to troubleshoot an ultra-compact, or try different ammo, or anything, it should run itself on any ammo in any condition.

Dude, seriously? You have to test and experiment with ammo in any autoloader, and the designs pushing the limits of the caliber will be even pickier ... that's just part of the territory with oddball and compact weapons.

 

[Sam1911]

Shoot, I thought it actually was going to be the biggest POS EVER. I'm disappointed, and I want my money back.