I'm wanting a handgun for fun. Something that's a blast to shoot, and can be used to challenge myself. The only thing similar about these two is they're both handguns, and both cost about the same. The Kel-Tec is interesting and different, but it has limited potential for fun, IMO. The Taurus has more potential for fun due to it being able to fire .410 GA, but I'm worried about the quality. The Kel-Tec is cheaper to shoot ( $8 for 50 as apposed to $10 for 25 and $25 for 20), but the Taurus could be reloaded. Which one would you have as a handgun for fun? I'm having trouble deciding, so I decided to ask yall's opinion.
Kel-Tec PMR-30 or Taurus Judge For Fun
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Nushif
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I'd still go for the .410 Revolver.
Whiles YES! the .22 is dirt cheap and will let you spend hours on the range ... it doesn't *explode* fruit. It pops them. .410 really isn't super expensive but it's not exactly .22 priced ....
Tough choice. My vote still goes for the more fruit exploding round. Very close choice here.
Whiles YES! the .22 is dirt cheap and will let you spend hours on the range ... it doesn't *explode* fruit. It pops them. .410 really isn't super expensive but it's not exactly .22 priced ....
Tough choice. My vote still goes for the more fruit exploding round. Very close choice here.
Sam1911
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Initially I'd say the PMR, hands-down. You have the potential to practice long(er)-range shooting with the .22 and even do some groundhog hunting if you wanted.
The only thing that might be of some interest with the Judge would be practicing hitting hand-thrown (or "flipper"-thrown) clays with one. I've been meaning to get back to practicing hitting flying targets with a handgun and the Judge would allow you to do it with a little less risk or need for tall berms.
We often use a simple teeter-totter device that holds a clay bird until a pepper-popper falls on the other end. It will toss a clay bird in a lazy arc no more than 6' or so in the air, presenting a challenging, tumbling target. With the judge you could load a .45 Colt to put the popper down and then have a load of No. 7s or so in the next chamber to smoke the bird.
Unfortunately, once you've got that trick down pat, then what else are you going to use the Judge for?
The only thing that might be of some interest with the Judge would be practicing hitting hand-thrown (or "flipper"-thrown) clays with one. I've been meaning to get back to practicing hitting flying targets with a handgun and the Judge would allow you to do it with a little less risk or need for tall berms.
We often use a simple teeter-totter device that holds a clay bird until a pepper-popper falls on the other end. It will toss a clay bird in a lazy arc no more than 6' or so in the air, presenting a challenging, tumbling target. With the judge you could load a .45 Colt to put the popper down and then have a load of No. 7s or so in the next chamber to smoke the bird.
Unfortunately, once you've got that trick down pat, then what else are you going to use the Judge for?
No joke, I can't imagine shooting one and not doing it in rapid fire.
Coyote3855
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Good luck finding a PMR. I've been on a waiting list for almost a year.
charliepratt
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Haven't shot the PMR.
But that Judge is a lot of gun, and a lot of fun. Ker-BOOM.
But that Judge is a lot of gun, and a lot of fun. Ker-BOOM.
PcolaDawg
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I would DEFINITELY go with the Judge. While both guns can be fun, the Judge can actually come in quite handy. My wife was out taking pictures in our backyard this past Saturday and just happened to catch me checking out two snakes getting close to the house.
I wasn't sure what they were and, if they were poisonous, I would have killed them both with one shot. When I'm out doing yard work, I always carry the Judge and have it loaded with 3 rounds of .410 bird shot, and two rounds of 000 buckshot just for situations like this. One shot with #6 birdshot, and both snakes would've been killed.
They were both Gray Rat snakes, though, and totally harmless except to varmints that I would actually like them to kill, so I left them alone.
So, yeah, go with the Judge, imvho.
I wasn't sure what they were and, if they were poisonous, I would have killed them both with one shot. When I'm out doing yard work, I always carry the Judge and have it loaded with 3 rounds of .410 bird shot, and two rounds of 000 buckshot just for situations like this. One shot with #6 birdshot, and both snakes would've been killed.
They were both Gray Rat snakes, though, and totally harmless except to varmints that I would actually like them to kill, so I left them alone.
So, yeah, go with the Judge, imvho.
PcolaDawg
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lol. I don't mind snakes a bit - except for the poisonous kinds. They must die if I catch them on my property. Too many kids and pets wandering around.
I've seen Copperheads and Water Moccasins on my property. And there is one very large, very skittish Copperhead I've been trying to get for about 5 years with no success. If I ever do get it, though, it's almost certain to be with the Judge.
MachIVshooter
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I guess it depends on how soon you're looking to get one. Before the next president is inaugurated? Probably gonna be the Judge.
I read that they're expanding their factory, due to demand. Hopefully, the wait will be shortened soon. Also, I forgot about using the Judge for snakes. Here in TN, we have plenty of snakes, poisonous and non poisonous, so that is one perk of getting the Judge. Also, I don't have reloading equipment, yet. As of right now, I have a Savage .22LR and a Springfield XDm in .40 S&W. I'm going to get my Hunting Gun when I get my Hunter's License. If I get my license before my birthday, I'll get the rifle. I'm trying to get one of those pistols as my birthday, so when I get my license, I'll have a reason to buy the rifle.
BCRider
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I love Sam's idea of one .45 for the popper and a .410 to catch the clay bird... But yeah, once you master that then where's the fun?
I'm finding that as I get more familiar with my shooting that I'm focusing less on just making noise and more on having fun that can keep my intrest for longer. And for me that's shooting my guns in the various competitions. The sense of personal testing and improving when I see the targets and/or the times provides me with more purpose AND more enthusiasm. And with most competition styles you're moving around which adds an interesting aspect to the shooting as opposed to just standing and blasting. Not to mention that you'll meet up with some great folks to go have a beer with after the matches.
So all in all I'd say that if you're not already shooting in one of the competitive disciplines that you should jump in and try it for a while. And if you're thinking that this idea has some merit then your next gun should be one to fit into whatever style and class of matches you find you're most interested in shooting.
Much will depend on what your local clubs are doing but one of the more recognized and cheap to get set up for is IDPA. The equipment you need other than a gun and a few magazines is more minimal than almost any other category of competitive shooting out there. Yet it's great fun.
But yeah, once you master that then where's the fun? I'm finding that as I get more familiar with my shooting that I'm focusing less on just making noise and more on having fun that can keep my intrest for longer. And for me that's shooting my guns in the various competitions. The sense of personal testing and improving when I see the targets and/or the times provides me with more purpose AND more enthusiasm. And with most competition styles you're moving around which adds an interesting aspect to the shooting as opposed to just standing and blasting. Not to mention that you'll meet up with some great folks to go have a beer with after the matches.
So all in all I'd say that if you're not already shooting in one of the competitive disciplines that you should jump in and try it for a while. And if you're thinking that this idea has some merit then your next gun should be one to fit into whatever style and class of matches you find you're most interested in shooting.
Much will depend on what your local clubs are doing but one of the more recognized and cheap to get set up for is IDPA. The equipment you need other than a gun and a few magazines is more minimal than almost any other category of competitive shooting out there. Yet it's great fun.
gotboostvr
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I can't believe I'm the first to say this...
Both?
Both?
doc2rn
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My vote is for the PMR, simply because I will not buy another Taurus product. 
They have lousy CS and produce an inferior product when fit and finish are drawn in. I am not trying to bash them but I have been burned 3X and never again.
Kel tech's got my vote and as soon as those hit the local stores at a reasonable price point I will own one too.
They have lousy CS and produce an inferior product when fit and finish are drawn in. I am not trying to bash them but I have been burned 3X and never again.
Kel tech's got my vote and as soon as those hit the local stores at a reasonable price point I will own one too.
Sam1911
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We ran that drill last night, but just with 9mms and .45s. It is harder than it sounds. I'm not sure id would be easier with a shotshell revolver though.
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