socalbeachbum
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My local gun dealer has the Keltec Sub 2000 Gen 2., in .40 S&W takes Glock mags. Do they run reliably? Anyone know? I want a portable long gun and I just can't stand anything that isn't reliable.
Kel-tec Sub 2000 is it ok?
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I'm interested, too ...
Speedo66
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I have a gen 1 9mm Glock mag version, and it is reliable with everything from 147g premium ammo to the cheapest dirtiest Russian steel.
If you like it, go for it.
If you like it, go for it.
cpt-t
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My Son and I have had a Kel-tec Sub 2000 in 40 S&W that uses Glock Mags, for several years. We have never had any type of problems with it what so ever very ((( reliable ))) . Ours shoots anything we have tried in it both factory and reloads. It is really very accurate for what it is, and a hoot to shoot. We have found that our Kel-tec Sub 2000 is very useful, in a great many roles SD, HD, Plinking, even shot some pigs with it. As a matter of fact we are looking for a 9mm version.
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socalbeachbum
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That's great to hear thanks. I've see private party ads, and each one seems to say it is so fun too shoot. Grad to hear it is reliable. I've heard AR-15's with 9mm conversion (AR-9?) can be iffy if mags are not just right, etc., and personally, I will not own anything that does not feed reliably. I said goodbye to a very nice original High Standard Trophy Military model after really working with it to get it feed properly. And adios to the Sig Mosquito also. I've used a Ruger carbine in 9mm and an AR-15 in 9mm and an M-1 Carbine replica in 9mm and all were very fun to shoot.
greyling22
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Yes, they are OK. Not great, but OK. They function, and they fold. If folding is important, go for it. If not, I'd rather have e a different 9.
BSA1
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The main question is how many $$$.00 the dealer wants for it.
For me personally the 40 S&W is a solution looking for a problem. But if that is your cartridge of choice then who am I to tell you otherwise.
Having a carbine that uses the same magazines as your handgun has a lot of appeal but when you really get down to brass tacks how necessary is it? Zombies and SHTF situations are unlikely to happen.
Since reliability is your most important concern how about the Hi-Point Carbine? All of the videos I have since on youtube is the gun runs very reliably. Even Hickok45 likes it. For only $300.00 it is a excellent value and with a lifetime warranty you have nothing to lose. I have been looking for a used one in 9mm for over a year and there are none to be found in my area. A new one may be my Christmas present to myself.
For me personally the 40 S&W is a solution looking for a problem. But if that is your cartridge of choice then who am I to tell you otherwise.
Having a carbine that uses the same magazines as your handgun has a lot of appeal but when you really get down to brass tacks how necessary is it? Zombies and SHTF situations are unlikely to happen.
Since reliability is your most important concern how about the Hi-Point Carbine? All of the videos I have since on youtube is the gun runs very reliably. Even Hickok45 likes it. For only $300.00 it is a excellent value and with a lifetime warranty you have nothing to lose. I have been looking for a used one in 9mm for over a year and there are none to be found in my area. A new one may be my Christmas present to myself.
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socalbeachbum
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Hi-points are $430 and $640 for Keltecs these are costly because they are converted to 'featureless' by applying a kydex wrap around the pistol grips with a fin on the back to prevent you from getting your
thumb around the original grip. For California, to get around the assault weapon law about having a pistol grip on a rifle. But I like the idea of the folding Keltec, for portability. And .40 cal is not my favorite, I'm a 9mm guy. So I may keep searching to find one in 9mm
thumb around the original grip. For California, to get around the assault weapon law about having a pistol grip on a rifle. But I like the idea of the folding Keltec, for portability. And .40 cal is not my favorite, I'm a 9mm guy. So I may keep searching to find one in 9mm
RPRNY
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9mm is the problem for which 40 S&W is the solution. (i.e., what is an adequate cartridge for the effete, slope shouldered, "otherly abled" types from the Dungeons & Dragons club who can't seem to manage an adult chambered pistol but who shouldn't be abandoned to only shooting teeny-tiny europellets).
Sorted. You're welcome.
Sorted. You're welcome.
Legionnaire
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^^ 
(I shoot 9mm too; that's just funny.)
(I shoot 9mm too; that's just funny.)
RPRNY
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All meant in good fun.
Corn-Picker
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I want to buy a PCC as well, but I've no experience with the Kel-tec, so this may not be worth much to you. But, reliability is also my number one concern, and my thinking is that I should restrict myself to PCCs that were designed with military/police in mind and tested accordingly (e.g. Beretta CX4 Storm or CZ Scorpion EVO).
entropy
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I had a 1st gen. 9mm that used S&W mags. Ran fine with everything but steel cased ammo. I had 3 KABOOMS with steel cased ammo with it. Two with reloads done with a Lee Load all kit and Tula cases, the last with Chinese surplus. That last one drew blood on a friend of mine that was shooting it. I traded it at a gun show with the caveat not to shoot steel cased ammo. Other than that, it was a great gun. Accurate, functioned well (aforementioned exceptions aside) and fun to shoot.
greyling22
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you want reliable, and california friendly, well my friend, marlin, henry, rossi, etc all make really delightful 38/357 lever guns.
And chiappa makes a replica m1 carbine in 9mm. no flash hider or pistol grip stock. is it cali legal? and did they work the kinks out of them?
And chiappa makes a replica m1 carbine in 9mm. no flash hider or pistol grip stock. is it cali legal? and did they work the kinks out of them?
I also have Gen 1 SUB2K. Kel-Tec often gets an A+ for design innovation, but a C- for reliable execution. The SUB2K is one that actually performs as well as it's designed. Very simple and straight forward design and despite the use of plastics in some areas I don't care for, it simply works well. I don't know how the G2 sights are, but I hate the plastic rear sight and was able to replace my front site with a more substantial aluminum AR version front sight. Accuracy is decent out to 100-150 yards which I think is really the maximum effective range and mine has digested everything I've fed it (excluding steel cased ammo...just never tried).
Magazine compatibility is a nice feature if that's what you're looking for. I was pleasantly surprised that my G1 SUB2K which was purchased using Sig P226 magazines, also works perfectly with all my full-size CZ75 magazines (especially the larger 26 round versions). The nice feature of course is that it folds; it's just more compact for carrying in a smaller bag or discreetly. It's definitely a niche PCC, but it fills that niche quite nicely.
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Magazine compatibility is a nice feature if that's what you're looking for. I was pleasantly surprised that my G1 SUB2K which was purchased using Sig P226 magazines, also works perfectly with all my full-size CZ75 magazines (especially the larger 26 round versions). The nice feature of course is that it folds; it's just more compact for carrying in a smaller bag or discreetly. It's definitely a niche PCC, but it fills that niche quite nicely.
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GarySTL
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I've got one in 40 that runs fine. As mentioned the sights are not the best. Midwest Industries makes a mount that takes a tube type red dot and still allows the gun to fold. Much better than the plastic open sights. http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mi-g2sub-t2.htm
The mount takes the Primary Arms red dot and it works pretty well.
The mount takes the Primary Arms red dot and it works pretty well.
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A lot of folks can't help themselves but to compare the Kel-tec Sub2k against more conventional PCC's, which really isn't apt. The Sub2k was designed to be a pack or truck carbine, carried often and used in a pinch, however, the folding design, and overall VERY compact form makes obvious concessions when evaluated as a sustained fighting carbine. Against dedicated PCC's like AR-15 conversions, CX4, CTG29, PC9/PC4, MP5, etc, evaluated as a fighting carbine, the Sub2k has clear and extreme limitations. Evaluated as a camp rifle, pack rifle, or truck carbine, it excels above these other models. Against the
I've owned 4 of the Gen 1's, but only one of the Gen 2's. I've never noted any difficulty in getting them to feed reliably, no moreso than any other PCC, or even Pistol I have owned, for that matter (which list in 3 digits), and in fact, they were less finicky for ammo tolerance than many pistols I've owned.
One thing I find interesting is this evolution of our industry to start "complaining" about the folding design, and its inherent preclusion of compatibility with mounted optics. The Sub2k's have been around a LONG time, but I've only started hearing complaints from folks in the last few years about the difficulty in mounting optics. In my opinion, it speaks more to the refusal of new shooters to adopt iron sights than it does to any shortfall of the Sub2k. I've killed dozens of coyotes at my feed yards over the years with Sub2k's, never having a red dot sight. So no complaint from me about a folding pack/truck carbine which only has iron sights. It's more compact than the Win 94 Trapper which I hauled around off and on over the years as my feedlot carbine, and a lot faster to load and unload --> and of course, my Trapper only ever had iron sights too.
I've kept mine as a home defense carbine off and on. For its fast handling, it's well suited for the application, even though a lot of folks might cite the CX4, AR15's, or MP5 clones as better. Realistic reasons for that preference escape me.
To end my own rambling here, I'll leave you with this: If you're wanting a PCC to play tactical operator, inside or outside of competition, then there are better suited designs out there. If you want a lightweight and compact pack/camp/truck carbine with realistic expectations for real world applications, then it's a fantastic design. The Kel-Tec Sub2000's are reliable, durable, and very affordable.
I've owned 4 of the Gen 1's, but only one of the Gen 2's. I've never noted any difficulty in getting them to feed reliably, no moreso than any other PCC, or even Pistol I have owned, for that matter (which list in 3 digits), and in fact, they were less finicky for ammo tolerance than many pistols I've owned.
One thing I find interesting is this evolution of our industry to start "complaining" about the folding design, and its inherent preclusion of compatibility with mounted optics. The Sub2k's have been around a LONG time, but I've only started hearing complaints from folks in the last few years about the difficulty in mounting optics. In my opinion, it speaks more to the refusal of new shooters to adopt iron sights than it does to any shortfall of the Sub2k. I've killed dozens of coyotes at my feed yards over the years with Sub2k's, never having a red dot sight. So no complaint from me about a folding pack/truck carbine which only has iron sights. It's more compact than the Win 94 Trapper which I hauled around off and on over the years as my feedlot carbine, and a lot faster to load and unload --> and of course, my Trapper only ever had iron sights too.
I've kept mine as a home defense carbine off and on. For its fast handling, it's well suited for the application, even though a lot of folks might cite the CX4, AR15's, or MP5 clones as better. Realistic reasons for that preference escape me.
To end my own rambling here, I'll leave you with this: If you're wanting a PCC to play tactical operator, inside or outside of competition, then there are better suited designs out there. If you want a lightweight and compact pack/camp/truck carbine with realistic expectations for real world applications, then it's a fantastic design. The Kel-Tec Sub2000's are reliable, durable, and very affordable.
GarySTL
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That's a pretty good evaluation right there. I have a Just Right Carbine for playing at the range and IDPA etc. I keep my Sub2K In a computer bag in the trunk of my car along with 3 loaded magazines and an extra box of ammo. Just in case I need it sometime. It's never failed to feed, fire or extract.
I believe I paid around $420 or so for mine. Not an unreasonable amount.
I believe I paid around $420 or so for mine. Not an unreasonable amount.
ditmo
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I have a 9mm Glock Gen 1 that I like. Hated the front sight and put a Red Lion Precision on it. Always functions with any ammo I put in it. I use mine as a trunk gun. I also have a Beretta Storm that I like shooting a lot more, but it doesn't fold and hide away near as easy.
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