Standing Wolf
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As far as I'm conerned, recommendations from R.I.N.O.s are perfect reasons to pass candidates over.
Kerik Bows Out!
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As far as I'm conerned, recommendations from R.I.N.O.s are perfect reasons to pass candidates over.
Selfdfenz
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why me
The Kerik Bomb
Rudolf the red faced adulterer
Come on man!
I laughed so hard I'm gona have touble getting to sleep now.
Best,
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The Kerik Bomb
Rudolf the red faced adulterer
Come on man!
I laughed so hard I'm gona have touble getting to sleep now.
Best,
S-
Forgetful Selfdefnz?
He was a hotshot attorney working for the US Department of Justice. She was a glamorous television reporter living in Miami, Florida. When they met on a blind date in 1981, it was love at first sight.
But all would not go well in the relationship of Rudy Giuliani and Donna Hanover. While Hizzoner's alleged tryst with aide Cristyne Lategano had tongues wagging in 1997, it wasn't until 2000 that this mayoral union became a truly tabloid affair. Like the opera the mayor so greatly enjoys, this relationship had it all — romance, illness, politics, and a red-hot show about vaginas. For all you out-of-towners — or those who just can't get enough Rudy-Judi-Donna gossip — here's a look back on the divorce that rocked New York.
He ran an aborted campaign for U.S. Senate in 2000 against Hillary Rodham Clinton, withdrawing because of prostate cancer and the fallout from his relationship with Judith Nathan (he was married at the time to Donna Hanover, but they later divorced, and in late 2002 he became engaged to marry Nathan). He and Hanover have one son and one daughter. He married Nathan in May 2003.
even more
Then he announced that he was leaving his wife and that he'd need his
girlfriend now more than ever. His estranged wife (an actress currently
starring in a play called "The Vagina Cronicles".) learned of the divorce by
watching the news and so countered with a press conference of her own
telling the world that Rudy had an earlier affair with a staff member who
has subsequently been given the cushy and lucrative position as the city's
director of tourism, funneling visitors into the newly re-modeled, family
friendly Times Square. (This is more amusing if you know that most American
soap operas are produced in NYC. The plots are famously preposterous, but
the Rudy show out does them all in this respect.)
He was a hotshot attorney working for the US Department of Justice. She was a glamorous television reporter living in Miami, Florida. When they met on a blind date in 1981, it was love at first sight.
But all would not go well in the relationship of Rudy Giuliani and Donna Hanover. While Hizzoner's alleged tryst with aide Cristyne Lategano had tongues wagging in 1997, it wasn't until 2000 that this mayoral union became a truly tabloid affair. Like the opera the mayor so greatly enjoys, this relationship had it all — romance, illness, politics, and a red-hot show about vaginas. For all you out-of-towners — or those who just can't get enough Rudy-Judi-Donna gossip — here's a look back on the divorce that rocked New York.
He ran an aborted campaign for U.S. Senate in 2000 against Hillary Rodham Clinton, withdrawing because of prostate cancer and the fallout from his relationship with Judith Nathan (he was married at the time to Donna Hanover, but they later divorced, and in late 2002 he became engaged to marry Nathan). He and Hanover have one son and one daughter. He married Nathan in May 2003.
even more
Then he announced that he was leaving his wife and that he'd need his
girlfriend now more than ever. His estranged wife (an actress currently
starring in a play called "The Vagina Cronicles".) learned of the divorce by
watching the news and so countered with a press conference of her own
telling the world that Rudy had an earlier affair with a staff member who
has subsequently been given the cushy and lucrative position as the city's
director of tourism, funneling visitors into the newly re-modeled, family
friendly Times Square. (This is more amusing if you know that most American
soap operas are produced in NYC. The plots are famously preposterous, but
the Rudy show out does them all in this respect.)
gunsmith
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I'm an ex newyorker & glad!
While my bro (LEO originally in NYC) thinks gulianni walks on water,i am glad he and kerik took a beating.
they have control issues!
While my bro (LEO originally in NYC) thinks gulianni walks on water,i am glad he and kerik took a beating.
they have control issues!
Which really means that the small army of lawyers, politicians, and assistants should do their freaking jobs and make some calls - as I said. It just shows lack of work ethic and forethought.
A lot of this information was easy enough to find. Thesmokinggun.com and Drudge hardly have the resources to rival the White House. Unless the White House decided credibility didn't matter and went on to do other things.
One person's recommendation doesn't mean much, no matter who it is from. Individuals know each other in limited contexts. Further, there may be reasons in their relationship why Guilliani doesn't know about the shady side of Kerik. Kerik withheld information from the White House, why wouldn't he do the same to Guilliani?
Well gee whiz, with a single nomination George W. Bush does a credible job of ruining NYC republicans. He just removed two for the price of one four years before the next election. I hope his nominations are this succesful for a long time. There is a lot of slime in high places that needs removed. 
Master Blaster
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Hey anybody thats anybody in NewYork, got there by lying, cheating and or stepping on the heads of other folks on the way up. Its a competitive environment, and you are either a shark, or you're shark meat.
Gulianni was having an affair with a staffer or two while he was married, and eventually divorced his wife and married his mistress while he was still in office. No doubt he has taken a present or two from the rich and powerful, and as a result of his connections and the favors he did while in office is now rich and powerful himself.
Why do you think Hillary moved to NewYork of all places??????
Gulianni was having an affair with a staffer or two while he was married, and eventually divorced his wife and married his mistress while he was still in office. No doubt he has taken a present or two from the rich and powerful, and as a result of his connections and the favors he did while in office is now rich and powerful himself.
Why do you think Hillary moved to NewYork of all places??????
Selfdfenz
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Why me
Kerik bomb...yep....still cracks me up.
Yep, still laughing about all this!!!
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Kerik bomb...yep....still cracks me up.
Yep, still laughing about all this!!!
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Selfdfenz
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Woop just saw this:
"It appears that Kerik's 3rd wife has now popped out. County clerk for Fayetteville, NC."
I must have missed something...did he have a bunch of wives all at the same time too!!!
The madness of it all!
And in FayetteNam of all places! That's a funny place to start saving the world from.
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"It appears that Kerik's 3rd wife has now popped out. County clerk for Fayetteville, NC."
I must have missed something...did he have a bunch of wives all at the same time too!!!
The madness of it all!
And in FayetteNam of all places! That's a funny place to start saving the world from.
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Kerik was an MP at Ft. Bragg. He protected it from a Cherokee attack. Pretty successful since I understand the Army is still in charge at Bragg, not the Cherokees. He reached the rank of PFC - obviously he was targeted as one who was going places.
Anyway, the Fayetteville wife was his first after he abandoned his live in girlfriend and his daughter. He wasn't married to his GF so I guess that doesn't count.
As an aside, I hear he claims that he was not 'on the take' as PC of NYPD. True, he got a lot of presents as PC (hundreds of thousands of dollars) but never gave anything in return. Thus, he has no reason to fear the Internal Affairs investigation that the current PC Kelly has ordered.
Anyway, the Fayetteville wife was his first after he abandoned his live in girlfriend and his daughter. He wasn't married to his GF so I guess that doesn't count.
As an aside, I hear he claims that he was not 'on the take' as PC of NYPD. True, he got a lot of presents as PC (hundreds of thousands of dollars) but never gave anything in return. Thus, he has no reason to fear the Internal Affairs investigation that the current PC Kelly has ordered.
Selfdfenz
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"Kerik was an MP at Ft. Bragg. He protected it from a Cherokee attack. Pretty successful since I understand the Army is still in charge at Bragg, not the Cherokees. He reached the rank of PFC - obviously he was targeted as one who was going places."
It's official now. I following this thread for the humor content!
why me and WT you guys get this weeks Signfeld Award.
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It's official now. I following this thread for the humor content!
why me and WT you guys get this weeks Signfeld Award.
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The nanny problem does seem like a good reason to disqualify him.
Attacking him over TASER was just politicaly motivated attempt to smear him based on the fact that he was successful at something.
He and TASER made a good fit. He had practical knowledge, and knew who to talk to and how to demonstrate to prospective customers how the product fit their needs.
He made a profit by using the knowledge he gained through many years of experience and used that knowledge to help see a useful product.
The fact that the Department of Homeland Security buys a lot of products from a company he works for on the board of directors should surprise no one. What do you want, the government to hire a guy with no experience in the field?
I think it's a very good idea for the government to utilize people who don't spend their entire careers as government employees, and if you want good people from industry, the industry they worked for is very likely going to be related to the job their being hired for.
There's no conflict of interest. The department of homeland security bought the TASERS before anyone there likely even knew he might be considered for the job. He made money from his stock options, but before he could take the job he would have to divest himself of the stock to remove the conflict of interest.
This is kind of a bad deal for government employees because they cannot use their experience to make good investment choices like people can in the commercial world. However, it removes the potential conflict of interest.
His experience at TASER should have been considered another reason he was good for the job. Instead the liberal attack machine made it sound like a bad thing.
Attacking him over TASER was just politicaly motivated attempt to smear him based on the fact that he was successful at something.
He and TASER made a good fit. He had practical knowledge, and knew who to talk to and how to demonstrate to prospective customers how the product fit their needs.
He made a profit by using the knowledge he gained through many years of experience and used that knowledge to help see a useful product.
The fact that the Department of Homeland Security buys a lot of products from a company he works for on the board of directors should surprise no one. What do you want, the government to hire a guy with no experience in the field?
I think it's a very good idea for the government to utilize people who don't spend their entire careers as government employees, and if you want good people from industry, the industry they worked for is very likely going to be related to the job their being hired for.
There's no conflict of interest. The department of homeland security bought the TASERS before anyone there likely even knew he might be considered for the job. He made money from his stock options, but before he could take the job he would have to divest himself of the stock to remove the conflict of interest.
This is kind of a bad deal for government employees because they cannot use their experience to make good investment choices like people can in the commercial world. However, it removes the potential conflict of interest.
His experience at TASER should have been considered another reason he was good for the job. Instead the liberal attack machine made it sound like a bad thing.
RealGun
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Washington Post story
The Washington Post has a story 12/15/04 that addresses this directly. There were recommendations from Giuliani, Schumer, Hillary, and others, but the killer was Kerik's lack of candor during vetting interviews. Actual investigation comes later in the process and would have ultimately uncovered what we now know.
The judgment of WH staff is in question, because some of the problems were known and considered controllable. It was the nanny thing that had a direct bearing on his prospective oversight of immigration. That issue was withheld by Kerik, or it took him awhile to realize how tainted his background really was. He is directly responsible for the scandal. Woulda/coulda/shoulda doesn't change that. However, you will win the argument, since the WH is bound to be more thorough from this point forward.
What's interesting is how this took out Giuliani too, who is not your Mom and apple pie Republican either.
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Could be WT LOL. More I read I wonder should he have been arresting the BG or be in jail himself.You read about his running after the women then gifts he got add that to reading about the mob connections.The Homeland Security is a joke anyway. Just a way to take away more of are rights.Anyone who thinks the TASER deal was on the up and up I got a good deal on a bridge. LOL Seen things like this happen more then once with the people connected in and out of the law. With GWB even thinking about him tells me allot.
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