Kerry credited with 20 kills in Vietnam

[w4rma]

APRIL 21--John Kerry was "unofficially credited" with killing 20 enemy fighters during his five months in Vietnam, according to military records just released by the Democratic presidential candidate's campaign. The body count reference is included in a glowing 1969 Navy report that noted Kerry, a 25-year-old junior grade lieutenant, exhibited "all of the traits desired of an officer in a combat environment." The Navy document, a copy of which you'll find below, was among hundreds of pages released today by the Kerry camp in response to requests from reporters and criticism from Republicans demanding full disclosure of the U.S. Senator's military record. (2 pages)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0421041kerry1.html

Sen. John Kerry is a true American hero and a patriot, imho.

Presidents Johnson and Nixon sent these brave men overseas with orders to do a dirty job and Sen. Kerry is one of the fine soldiers who did a very dangerous job, with honor, for our country.

Agree/Disagree with the war or agree/disagree with his policy proposals, this man served our country with honor.

 

[TCD]

A man can be a patriot and have not served a day of his life in the military.


Fighting for this country goes beyond killing the enemy in war.


To me he is neither a hero or a patriot. Fighting to take away our rights and restict what the true "patriot" fought for voids any past contribution or effort IMO.


edit:

this man served our country with honor.

hey may or may not have served our country with honor, but in my mind he is not serving our country with honor, and as such deserves none of those titles.

 

[Standing Wolf]

That Kerry creature is just another socialist parasite with no pride and less to offer America.

 

[M1911]

Sen. John Kerry is a true American hero and a patriot, imho.

I've lived in MA for the past 13 years. The most dangerous place in the world is between Live Shot Kerry and a live TV camera.

Regardless of what he did in Vietnam, John Kerry is an elitist gun-grabber. Anyone who tells you different is a liar or a fool.

 

[Art Eatman]

Back when there was doubt about Kerry's record, and yawping about that of Bush, my general comment was that what guys did in their twenties did not necessarily mean a lot when you look at them some thirty years down the road.

Since his return from Vietnam, he's pretty much followed the statist party line and has commonly voted with those whose policies have harmed this country, and that's all I need to know about the man he's become.

Art

 

[bountyhunter]

Since his return from Vietnam, he's pretty much followed the statist party line and has commonly voted with those whose policies have harmed this country, and that's all I need to know about the man he's become.Art

Fair enough. I would not dispute anybody refusing to vote for Kerry based on his voting record. So, why then is the republican party compelled to attack his military service record up to an including questioning the validity of his three purple hearts? Seriously, they are reviewing his "wounds" and questioning whether he deserved the awards.

Are they afraid they can not beat him on the issues?

Is there anybody in the GOP that has an ounce of shame or a lick of decency?

I am not peddling Kerry, but I think when the White House resorts to mud-slinging against his service record they look desparate.

 

[thefitzvh]

You must be kidding....


if admittedly firing on women and children in free fire zones makes one a hero, then I'm the friggin easter bunny.


I really gotta stop reading threads with certain posters...


James

 

[R.H. Lee]

Sen. John Kerry is a true American hero and a patriot, imho

Who promptly dishonored himself, his service, and his country upon his return.

At worst he is a fraud, at best he is a hypocrite.

 

[burbanite]

Yep,

a man who has chosen to do more harm to his country in his life than good doesn't deserve a pat on the back. His actions since that time show more about the true John Kerry...

 

[madmike]

He was a hero. Then he was a liar and a backstabber and a money-grubbing attorney and a politician. I would trust him under fire, I admit that much--he took care of his people at risk to himself.

As a politician, he's scum by definition. His actions show him to be lower than scum.

I know a LOT of vets who've been there and done that and will tell you that 99% of people are heroes when it comes down to it. It's how one acts when life isn't on the line that's the tell.

 

[Thumper]

Once again, a Liberal's ignorance of military protocol leads him astray...

Anything less than a "walks on water" report on an officer's eval is the kiss of death.

A SINGLE "average" mark pretty much precludes one from anything above O-3.

In that era, over 60% of officers' fitness reports were ALL "Perfects."

As Colin Powell noted in his book, even ONE tickmark down was disastrous to one's career.

Kerry had SIX, five of which were TWO tickdowns.

The funny/sad part is the clowns that don't realize that this fitness report is disastrous.

 

[boofus]

Timothy McVeigh was a veteran too and had confirmed kills to his name. Look how he turned out. Benedict Arnold was a military man too. Military service is no indication of character.

If Kerry actually stood his ground on ANY issue I wouldn't view him with utter contempt. Claiming to be a hunter and then voting to ban virtually all hunting ammunition. Voting for the war in Iraq, and then denouncing it. Voting for the Patriot Act and then flip-flopping on it too. Claiming to 'feel the poor people's pain' but then voting to give himself a taxpayer funded raise even though he has more money than he could ever spend. Yada Yada, the guy is repulsive.

GWB is by no means a saint, but Kerry is far worse.

 

[Harold Mayo]

I hereby credit George W. Bush with shooting down 20 Migs.

Gosh, since that's not official, I guess I've just "unofficially credited" Dubya with 20 kills.

 

[thefitzvh]

Ignorance of the military's way of operating seems to be the order of the day lately.

-STOP LOSS!!!! IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

-YOU MEAN SOLDIERS ACTUALLY DIE?? BUSH!! BUSH!!!

-National GUARD EXTENDED DEPLOYMENTS?!!! KILL BUSH!! KILL BUSH!!!

-TROOPS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO REPORTERS! STUPID BUSH ADMINISTRATION!

All pretty much SOP, as people who are in the military know. EEEVIL work of the bush administration according to others.

I'll give you two guesses as to whose posts i gleaned these "revelations" from, but you're only gonna need one...


James

 

[Thumper]

Ignorance of the military's way of operating seems to be the order of the day lately.

Yep...and the Left is left scratching it's pointy little head as to why us military types hold them in contempt.

 

[ACP]

If Kerry were GOP this board would be licking his boots. THR is 99.999% conservative Republican, and any other opinion is automatically degraded. Sad, but true.

 

[capnrik]

APRIL 21--John Kerry was "unofficially credited" with killing 20 enemy fighters during his five months in Vietnam, according to military records just released by the Democratic presidential candidate's campaign.

Well, for starters, he was only there three months.

 

[TaurusCIA]

"unofficially credited" with killing 20 enemy fighters during his five months in Vietnam

By his own admission during those four months, Mr. Kerry continually kept ramming his Swiftboat onto an enemy-held shore on assorted occasions alone and with a few men, killing civilians and even a wounded enemy soldier.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77553&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities. And I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed, in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones; I conducted harassment and interdiction fire; I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people; I took place in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77553&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Are we sure they weren't "unofficially" civilians?

 

[thefitzvh]

Absolutely false, ACP. I don't like Bush either

BUT: when I criticize him, I base my criticisms in fact, not issues that the president has no control over.

I also don't choose to call a man a liar who acted on bad intelligence. I DO fault him for the patriot act, I DO fault him for his "support" of the AWB, and i DO wish we had a better choice.

Oh, and I also think that using discredited news sources and people to slander a candidate or bolster another candidate is shady at best, and downright malicious at worst.

I also object to the constant trolling, but that's another story entirely.

I also wish people who don't know anything about the military would quit pretending they know something about it. Blaming stop loss on the bush administration is stupid.

EDITED TO ADD: I know this isn't the topic of THIS thread, but it's an example.


James

 

[OF]

If Kerry were GOP this board would be licking his boots. THR is 99.999% conservative Republican, and any other opinion is automatically degraded. Sad, but true.

Yeah, that's it, we don't like him because he's not a republican. Way to sum it all up.

People are debating Kerry as Kerry, not Kerry as some unknown alternative-future thought exercise. You have to be kidding if you think this board 'licks the boots' of any Repub. they come across. I've been around here and TFl a while and I'll tell you, nothing could be further from the truth. So sorry it's your guys that always seem to get the pointy stick in the eye, but nobody made you back these morons.

It makes my head spin how many people can come to the end of a debate and say "But that's not my opinion! Respect my opinion! You're not respecting my opinion!"

Go sell it somewhere else.

- Gabe

 

[telewinz]

women, children, old men?

http://www.wintersoldier.com/audio/kerry2.mp3

 

[thefitzvh]

NO! HERO!!! HEEEERO!!!!!


Bush, on the other hand, is EEEEVIL!!!!

He actually got permission to go do some political stuff while he was in! The NERVE!!!

Funny how the lefties railed against the "war criminal" troops in vietnam, and their championing one now.


James

 

[Baba Louie]

Excellant W4rma, Thanks for posting this.

He sounds like a hard charger when he a yout. Almost another PT Boat captain from Bahstan, neh?

102 days on duty (14 Dec '68 to 26 Mar 69) with the report forwarded on 28 January 69, endorsed on 17 March 69. What's that? Strange dates which don't quite align? Hey, they were in a serious shooting war. Dates slip all the time.

He's definitely BTDT. Hoorah. Unlike our last President.

Probably make a good leader... for some. He's voted pretty far left so far.

I suppose like Ray Boehm told the first JFK, "Mr. President, I didn't vote for you. But I'd die for you." We may have to find out.

I'd still like to know who his choice for VP will be before I get all warm and fuzzy inside. Boston's DNC is coming up soon. Stay tuned.

 

[M2HMGHB]

I don't criticise a president until his term of office has expired. I might say that I don't like him or his policies or what not but i wont deal in specifics, never have never will. If I didn't criticize good ole Billy Bob Joe Bob Clinton during his two FUBAR terms, well I'll leave the rest unsaid. As for Bush, so far as I've seen he is the better of the candidates.

 

[horge]

Just an outsider's 2:

Kerry?
If he served, he served.
If honorably, honorably.
If he was a hero, then a hero.

It may in the end have very little to do with his present-day fitness to govern the world's most powerful nation, a nation whose power and prosperity flows from the very freedoms it claims to grant its hard-working citizens.

Those freedoms were codified by your Founding Fathers so that those freedoms might be preserved for all time against malicious adulteration, by those who prefer a different way of life, and a different definition of freedom.
Those freedoms define America.


Would John Kerry keep America ....American?
Does John Kerry have an American definition of freedom?
Does George Bush?

That, rather than time served in the military decades ago,
is the weightier question.