Kerry credited with 20 kills in Vietnam

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I am not peddling Kerry, but I think when the White House resorts to mud-slinging against his service record they look desparate.
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I think that's called, "Equal time".


Oh, and wasn't it the Kerry camp that made his record a campaign issue?



Oh, excuse me. I forgot that Republicans aren't allowed to do what Democrats do routinely and without criticism.
 
Hey, wasn't John "RINO" McCain a hero at one time, too?

Just like Kerry, it doesn't really mean much in the here and now, does it? :scrutiny:
 
Ever get the feeling that we're reading some psyops output these days? Kerry operators? Ooo-boy - paranoid me.
 
APRIL 21--John Kerry was "unofficially credited" with killing 20 enemy fighters during his five months in Vietnam, according to military records just released by the Democratic presidential candidate's campaign.
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Given the arcane mathematics used to calculate and compile body counts during the War in Vietnam: 20 enemy fighters = one pot-bellied pig killed and one water buffalo shot in the hind quarters?

Sen. John Kerry is a true American hero and a patriot, imho.
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Heros and patriots don't use body counts for publicity.
 
Precendent here...Hitler won an Iron Cross for bravery on the Somme (ifin I recall my battles right) in WW1...

WildandweallknowhowheturnedoutAlaska
 
That's the way, w4rma.....

Post your opinions instead of just the source!


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"Sen. John Kerry is a true American hero and a patriot, imho."
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Sen. John Kerry is a true American hero and a patriot, imho.
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From the sounds of things he served our country well during his military service.

If that were all I knew of him, I would agree with him being a patriot based on that information.

However, while some people do stupid things when they were young, and grow up to be very respectable people. Kerry did very respectable things when he was young, and grew up to be a person of little integrity. He supports his postions by lieing and distorting the facts about others.

He doesn't have a record of supporting the rights of individuals, he merely has a record of saying he supports the rights of individuals. He says one things, but does another.

I can't call a person in the government who tries to get votes by obviously misleading the people he wants to vote for him a patriot or hero.

I respect and appreciate his service to our country when he was in the military. However, I have little respect for the choices he's made since then.
 
Moderator. The comments from thefitzuh on the first page have got to go!!!! They need to be deleted now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Any referance to harming a President is a felony.
 
I think some of you guys are confusing John Kerry (the pilot) with Bob Kerry (The Navy SEAL who killed civilians).


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Not to say that I have any intention of voting for John Kerry, but he deserves an accurate appraisal.
 
LD,

That was one of the funniest things I've read in a while!:D

Here it is again:
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APRIL 21--John Kerry was "unofficially credited" with killing 20 enemy fighters during his five months in Vietnam, according to military records just released by the Democratic presidential candidate's campaign.
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Given the arcane mathematics used to calculate and compile body counts during the War in Vietnam: 20 enemy fighters = one pot-bellied pig killed and one water buffalo shot in the hind quarters?

:D God, I'm still laughing as I post and re-read it!
 
If Kerry were GOP this board would be licking his boots. THR is 99.999% conservative Republican, and any other opinion is automatically degraded. Sad, but true
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Absolute crap. If you had read even a few of the threads about the AWB renewal vote last month you'd know that RINO Republicans like John Warner, Olympia Snow, John Chaffee, etc. get blasted as much if not more than the extremist hard-left DemocRats in the gun confiscation movement, like gun-grabber John Kerry.
 
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gbourne, it's sarcasm.

bountyhunter, it's an election year. Both sides are spewing garbage. Why pay attention? Why listen at all, really? Skim through. File any pertinent pieces until stuff can be verified. Why waste psychic energy ahead of an election that's not gonna happen until November?

It's my own opinion that neither candidate nor party can do diddly-squat about the economy; they don't have the power.

So, there are two major issues, to me: Which candidate would have more success against Al Qaida; which might be able to do better about our border security? Sure, there are other issues, but they have little to do with national survival. Again, purely my own opinion as to priorities.

Since my opinion, right now, won't change anything, I'll wait until around the first of October to actively think about it. In the meantime, I'm just coasting. I see no point in getting all ulcerated about this sort of stuff. It comes around every four years. Hmmm. My twelfth rodeo. :)

:), Art
 
Is the Body Count in your record a Navy thing?

I spent 16 glorious months in RVN, beter than half in a Huey behind an M-60, the rest in assorted other vacation like locales, (as a towel boy at the nurses indoor pool and country club).

In none of my paperwork or citation copies does it ever mention anything about the size of the units we faced or how many people we "were credited with killing". Most of those things read; "in the face of a larger force" or "a much larger force" type of thing.

Did the Navy really keep body counts by sailor?

The whole body count thing is such a red herring created by people that weren't there and don't understand it. All everybody I knew ever counted were the days on your short timer calendar.

I do find it hysterically funny that the same type of people that were screaming in our fgaces about how we were all baby butchers are now carrying around copies of John Kerry's service record, celebrating his "kills".

I'm assuming now that the left has discovered the error of their ways during Vietnam and that we were all heroes (Hah!) that Ted Kennedy will be stopping by with Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel to buy me a beer soon and say they're sorry for they way they treated us.

I won't hold my breath though since they seem to be firm believers in situational ethics. Being a "paid professional killer" is a good thing when you need some credibility for defending the country ... as long as you weren't NG or RA of course.
 
I think some of you guys are confusing John Kerry (the pilot) with Bob Kerry (The Navy SEAL who killed civilians).
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Actually, both of the Liberal DemocRAT Kerry's have admitted to committing "atrocities" or war crimes in Vietnam.

Given John Kerry's repeated admissions that he committed war crimes or "atrocities" while serving in Vietnam it's very likely that the 20 kills he is credited with were the civilians and wounded enemy soldiers who John Kerry admits to killing, etc.

John Kerry is very reminiscent of Hitler in his reliance on a very shaky record as a "war hero" to try and mask an extremist hard-left statist agenda.

Oh, and he's a gun grabber also.
 
Kerry could have single-handedly won WWII, Korea and Vietnam after descending from the sky in a fiery chairot pulled by Pegasi for all I care. I'm not voting for anyone with a 100% rating from the Brady Campaign.
 
He probably credited himself with at least 10 kills on his first frightening encounter with enemy forces that he described as a half-assed action that hardly qualified as combat.

In his account to "Tour of Duty" author Douglas Brinkley, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry described his first encounter with enemy forces in Vietnam as an inconsequential skirmish that "hardly qualified as combat."

But on Sunday's "Meet the Press," Kerry's recollection of the episode was far more dramatic, with the top Democrat saying the confrontation not only was "frightening" but also was probably the worst combat his unit had experienced during the entire war.

Defending himself against charges that he put in for a Purple Heart for a relatively minor flesh wound after the Dec. 2, 1968 skirmish, Kerry told NBC newsman Tim Russert:
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But in his account to biograpger Brinkley, Kerry dismissed the altercation as "a minor skirmish."

"It was a half-assed action that hardly qualified as combat," he confessed, in a discrepancy first reported Sunday by FreeRepublic.com.

"I felt terribly seasoned after this minor skirmish," Kerry continued to Brinkley. "But since I couldn't put my finger on what we had really accomplished or on what had happened, it was difficult to feel satisfied."
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This "frightening" encounter with enemy forces that "was probably the worst combat his unit had experienced during the entire war" was "a minor skirmish" that "hardly qualified as combat". If this was the worst fighting he saw then how did he earn any commendations? Something smells rotten.
 
A person I worked with was wounded in vietnam and he said it was only a splinter and the Doc that treated him said that he would be getting a purple heart. He said that they were easy to come by. But John Kerry recieved three purple hearts before being pulled out of action. I think that John Kerry is a hero and all of the men that serve our country are heros. Anyone who was in the service knows it not an easy life and for people to downgrade any person that served is an insult to all. George Bush flew a jet fighter and he is also a hero.
 
Hey, I just heard that the Kerry campaign just updated his military record.

It's not twenty kills - it's twenty grills.

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Having been a subject of the Navy's old Fitness Report system, I would take any glorification with a grain of salt. He may have killed 20 Viet Cong, 20 civilians or he may have missed, in any case they aren't official kills so it doesn't mean jack. Regardless, once he came back and got into protesting the war he erased any honor he had coming out of SEA -- he was just another anti-war protester.

I look at what he's done recently and the voting he's done in the Senate tell me he is bad for this country and will be really bad for 2nd Amendment supporters. He waffles so much on so many different issues that it's really hard to tell where he sits day-to-day.

I fall into the ***"Kerry is dangerous"*** camp and I'll go with Bush just to do my part in keeping Kerry out.
 
4wrma,

John Kerry served his country and for that my hat is off to him. However, since that time, his actions and voting record have gone against the constitution that he swore an oath to uphold. (like many others have also done)

In good conscience I should not vote for either candidate but will again vote against the party of gun control like I did in 2000 so as not to be Gored. That said, if anyone thinks that either one of these two parties will save their proverbial bacon, I am reminded of a phrase from John Candy, "One has a better chance of picking up Pixie Sticks with their buttcheeks"


One Only Has The Freedom He Is Willingly To Defend And Fight For.............Chainsaw
 
he may have served honorably in vietnam but what he did when he got makes him a coward in my book
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OK, then dump all over him for what he did when he got back. You hit the nail on the head. Attack his voting record, call him a looney toon, OK... but the repubs are attacking his war record. The published documents I saw stated:

1) One of his purple hearts was for a minor wound, arguably not serious enough to warrant the decoration but it was not Kerry who awarded it.

2) The second purple heart was for shrapnel wounds. 100% legitimate combat wound.

3) the third purple heart was again for shrapnel wounds when a bomb exploded next to his boat. Again, 100% legitimate wound.

4) The Bronze star was for that occasion when Kerry was wounded in that blast by shrapnel and a Green Beret was knocked off the boat and into the water. He (Kerry) already wounded jumped in the river and saved him under fire.

He may not be John Wayne, but I'd say he proved his stones in combat. Attacking that is slimy.

And FWIW, Kerry's CO went so far as to say that his leaving the service was the navy's loss of a fine officer.... contrast that to Bush's reserve CO's comments along the lines of: "Who? I never saw him."

Rip away at his voting record and anti-war stance, but his war record is clean and admirable IMO.
 
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