Kerry wins Iowa primary...

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Updated: 7:00 a.m. ET Jan. 20, 2004Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts won the Iowa Democratic presidential caucuses Monday night, completing an improbable charge in the final days of the first important test of the campaign season.

Kerry and Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina appeared to break away from the rest of the field, running far ahead of former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri. Gephardt will drop out of the race Tuesday, aides told NBC News.

Kerry won the support by 38 percent of caucus-goers with almost all of the state’s 1,993 precincts reporting. Edwards ran a strong second at 32 percent.

Appearing before ecstatic supporters after an introduction by his Massachusetts colleague in the Senate, Edward Kennedy, Kerry thanked Iowans for making him “the comeback Kerry.â€


“Now you send me on to New Hampshire ... and I make you this pledge: I have just begun to fight,†he said, adding that he had a message for President Bush: “We’re coming, you’re going, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.â€

Kerry attributed his victory to Iowans’ willingness to ignore pundits who predicted his defeat.

“Iowans were magnificent,†he said in an interview on MSNBC’s “Countdown.†“ ... They were serious. They looked into our eyes. They checked our guts.

Dean had been considered the front-runner in recent weeks, but he was well behind at 18 percent. Aides told NBC News that he called Kerry to offer his congratulations about 10 p.m. ET.

“I think Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards did a great job,†Dean said in an interview on MSNBC’s “Hardball.†“We came in third. I would have liked to have come in first, but we didn't.

“... Actually, it looks better than it should,†he told “Hardball†host Chris Matthews. “Had you told me a year ago that I was going to finish third in Iowa, I would have been delighted, because the top three in Iowa is the ticket out, so we're going to go on in New Hampshire, and we’re going to win, period.â€


Later, punching the air in a gesture of triumph and waving a U.S. flag he picked up from the audience, Dean reassured his supporters that the third-place showing was only a bump in the road.

“We will not quit!†Dean shouted repeatedly, his voice raw and cracking from days of nonstop campaigning. "We will not quit, now or forever. We want our country back for ordinary Americans."

News Analysis
Tom Curry: It’s a whole new race

No more for Gephardt?
For Gephardt, who won this contest in 1988, Iowa was probably the end of the line. He trailed badly, with only 11 percent.

“Well, this did not come out the way we wanted,†Gephardt told chanting supporters in Des Moines. Campaign aides told NBC News that he would withdraw at a news conference Tuesday afternoon, and Gephardt signaled his intentions by acknowledging that “my campaign to fight for working people may be ending tonight, but our fight will never end.â€

“Life will go on because this campaign was never about me. It was about all of us,†said Gephardt, who promised to support the eventual nominee “in any way that I can.â€


Dean said in an interview on CNBC: “I give my condolences to Dick Gephardt. He’s a good friend. I worked with him in ’88 — this I know is a tough one for him.â€

Kerry, meanwhile, praised Gephardt as “a special public servant ... who has served his country with great distinction.â€

Edwards scores big

The big surprise was the strong performance by Edwards, who, even though he saw a spike in support in the final tracking surveys, said he had not expected to do so well.

“Thank you for your support. Thank you, Iowa,†Edwards told cheering supporters.

Edwards’ campaign manager, Nick Baldick, told MSNBC-TV: “Now we have the wind at our backs. We have New Hampshire, and we'll meet you in Columbia [S.C.] on February 3rd.â€

Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio had been expected to make a significant showing at a few of the caucuses, but he ended up with just more than 1 percent support.

Kerry reels in Dean
Kerry’s victory in percentage terms will not translate exactly into delegates at the state Democratic convention next summer, which will apportion Iowa’s delegates to the national convention. The actual results, compiled precinct by precinct, indicated that Kerry would win 20 of the state’s 45 delegates, compared to 18 for Edwards and 7 for Dean, according to an analysis by NBC News.

Still, his victory was sweeping, according to a survey by NBC News and other news agencies as voters entered the caucus sites. He ran first among men and women and among all income and education levels, and he swept almost all age categories.

Entrance poll breakdown

Just weeks ago, before the Iowa race turned testy and tumultuous, Dean was the undisputed front-runner. But tracking surveys in the last week showed Kerry gaining swiftly, and by Monday he held a slim lead in the MSNBC/Reuters/Zogby tracking poll, with 25 percent to Dean’s 22 percent.

As Gephardt continued to slide in the final days, he opened a harsh attack on Dean, and that may have contributed to the unexpectedly weak showing by each.

“We were just getting hammered,†Dean’s campaign manager, Joe Trippi, said on “Hardball.†“We lost control of our message.â€

In the last week of the campaign, “John Edwards and John Kerry started sounding a hell of a lot more like Howard Dean,†Trippi complained. And “Dick Gephardt, in a fight for his life, just pummeled us.â€

The caucus system rewarded candidates who picked up support late. Once they arrived at the caucus sites, voters broke up into groups, their numbers counted and then recounted as some candidates did not get enough votes to go forward.

That made turning out supporters critical, and weeks of touting proposals and criticizing rivals in appearances across this farm state focused on getting people to precinct meetings from public buildings to private homes.

The entrance survey showed that fully 41 percent of voters made up their minds in the last three days. More than half, 55 percent, had never taken part in the caucuses previously.

Iowa Secretary of State Chester J. Culver had predicted that turnout could top the record of 125,000 set in 1988, but the Democratic Party estimated turnout Monday night at 110,000. Still, Democrats ran out of registration forms at Precinct 21 in Iowa City.

Two other major contenders — Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark — skipped the caucuses to seek support for New Hampshire on Jan. 27.

MSNBC.com's Alex Johnson, MSNBC-TV’s David Shuster, Priya David and Michelle Jaconi contributed to this report.

© 2004 MSNBC Interactive
 
Iowa is a "caucus" not a primary and that's a big difference. It's a system by which (If I, or anybody else understands it correctly) is groups of people shoing up at caucus sites. Each candidate's supporters bustle into a room and then roll call is taken.

If a candidates room or area dosen't have a certain percentage (15%?) depending on the number of candidates, of the people in the building, those caucus delegates have to abandon their candidate and align themselves with their second choice to select delegates for the county convention.

It's very different than a simple popularity vote like in a primary. The caucus process is also more selective in it's participation because of it's more unusual nature. It can also be more supceptible to manipulation of intra-party politics and strategy.

While it's important in terms of political "mojo", i.e. Iowa: the "heartland of America and it's core values" blah blah blah... a poor showing, much less second or third place in the Iowa caucus is not a campaign ender.
Dean still has a significant financial lead, albeit that may change, and others like Clinton bypassed the Iowa caucus as part of a strategy move, and obtained only 3%.
 
And he's from Massachusetts, a state that has, alas, come a long, long way since the shot heard 'round the world.

I still want to know why his wife still calls herself by the name of her dead ex-husband. There are some problems even Harleys don't cure.
 
With gun rights as a lens, I view this as good stuff. I think we can safely assume that re-electing Bush is going to be the least damaging to our gun rights. This is barring any last minute campaign announcement by say a Ron Paul/Condi Rice ticket. :D
I also think that Dean is the canidate we'd most like to see against Bush because he is enough of a crackpot to scare away some white bread moderates from voting Dem. If you put a supposed centrist like Loserman, Kerry, or Clark out there the rabid lunatic democratic fringe will vote for them as a vote against Bush and some middle of the road folks will vote for them too. God help us if that Doug MacArthur spin-off gets the nomination, some military folks may be dumb enough to vote for him. Besides, the rednecks in pick-up trucks with rebel flags that love Jesus may vote for Clark or Kerry, something tells me Dean is screwed there.

So, for right now anything that gets the canidates' blood up in their eyes for each other, like this caucus upset is great stuff. Let the mudslinging, whining, and currying for Hillary's blessing begin...

Which leads us to the next question, will Hillary intentionally support a no chancer like Loserman so she can ride to our rescue in four years? Is it too early to start asking for the Powell/Rice or Rice/Powell in '08 ticket?
 
I cant help but laugh my ??? off when kerry starts talking bout the special interest in the white house and he is so much better. yeah like there is no special interest from massachusets specially boston the home of many fat cats and special interest.

plutocracy anyone?
 
El Tejon, actually this is his second rich wife (though much richer than the first). He got a bunch of money out the first when they divorced, IIRC.

I had hoped that we were finally done with Liveshot (aka Sen. Kerry). At least we got rid of Gephardt.
 
I don't know about anyone else, but I would not want a president who is reffered to as "John Effen Kerry" representing my nation.
 
Moparmike

The last time I had a pair of aquasole innersoles in my shoes. :D

So I assume you are okay with a president who will be known worldwide as "John Effen Kerry".
 
I don't care how often Kerry uses the dreaded f-word. I don't get excited about little things like that.

It's his *extreme* anti-2nd Amendment views that concern me.

Unfortunately, he's got the Vietnam veteran thing going for him, so that many of the uniform fetishists, especially in the South, will say "He's a *war hero*. He must be *pro*-gun."

Yeah, Kerry's all in favor of the military and the police (much the same thing now, and growing ever more so) having guns (and all sorts of gruesome "worse-than-lethal" science fiction weapons for use against us soon-to-be-branded "terrorists"). He sure ain't in favor of the unwashed masses having guns.

:cuss: Kerry and the PT boat he rode in on, I sez.

Maimaktes
 
No, wrong, absolutely wrong.

Free your mind of the two party system, or our country will eventually burn in flames like Rome.

Quite free enough thank you, sorry for not drawing you a picture. Unsaid was "of the canidates currently projected to run". I don't think GW is our 2A savior, personally mine is propped in a corner behind the door. That's why I said "least damaging".
 
If the AWB sunsets, do you guys really think it will never come back?

What will Bush do halfway into his second term, when Congress sends him a new AWB and he no longer has to worry about elections?

He is going to sign it.

So it doesnt matter if a Democrat or Republican is the president when it comes to this issue.
 
So I assume you are okay with a president who will be known worldwide as "John Effen Kerry".
Actually, I have heard very little about Kerry and his language, wether it be here, CNN, or Fox News. So, while I dont admire his on camera language slip, I certainly cant see getting my undies in a wad just because someone is human.


Now that I have gotten that out of the way, I would infact mind having him for president. Not because of the above, but because of his policies and positions on many issues. I dont know about you, but I dont judge someone for occaisionally being human and making a harmless mistake*, even if they are up for election.



*Especially when I have commited the same damned ones.
 
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