Knife in bed?

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Knife in bead?

I saw a post where a guy woke up to BG's in his room. Apparently, he was tied up and his wife gang raped :( This is the kind of thing that makes me rethink my own security measures and sleep less soundly.
It got me to thinking that a knife as an all the time fixture between my mattress and frame (water bead) may be a good thing.


I have a three year old and don't yet trust having a gun in bed with me (she is an early riser and comes to mommy and daddy in the AM), so, I'm thinking that a knife would be easier to retain and use in an up close surprise encounter, what say you?
 
I would rather be cut by a 3yo than shot.

“get a gun a 3yr can not operate†she could, unless you know of one I’m not thinking of, operate any hand gun, short of needing to rack the slide. In a situation like I described, you wouldn’t have time to rack the slide.

The way I sleep, I could wake up anywhere on my queensize bed. I have decided that I’m going to put one one-hand opening folder in each corner of the bed and fight, like a Viking gone berserk to my gun if I have to.
 
Get a dog (organic alarms system), get an electronic alarm system with motion sensors (set above fido's height), get a gunvault for your AR/Shotgun. You don't want to play this scenario out with just a knife in your hand. Defense in depth is preferable to last ditch defense.
 
If you have a Bass Pro shop close. They have a handgun locker, To hold a handgun. You open it by pushing combination numbers for quick entry. I think they are about $100.00. Children cannot get to the gun.

Mrs. Toro


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He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as we walked.
 
Strange but true story. A friend of mine was reclining in a chair in his house and listening to music with his eyes closed. His son, who I think was about three years old at the time, jammed the sharp end of a pencil in his ear so hard it punctured his ear drum (ouch, it still hurts to think about it).

Get a dog.
 
Horsesense, I am afraid you have a very selfish view of the situation. You are still thinking in terms of what might be able to happen to YOU. This point is frighteningly clear from your statement that, "I would rather be cut by a 3 yo than shot." Everything is fine so long as you are protected, but everyone else is on their own, including the 3 year old. Great.

You haven't figured it out, have you? The issue of safety isn't just about what could potentially happen to you if the 3 year old got ahold of whatever weapon you had hidden. The issue concerns everyone's safety including that of the 3 year old. The 3 year old might not cut you, but might end up falling on one of your well hidden knives and end up bleeding to death
 
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Double Naught, despite my initial reaction to your post, I’m going to be charitable...

A gun can do serious damage with only the pull of the trigger. The amount of damage a knife can do is in proportion to the force applied. Thus “I would rather be cut by a 3yo than shotâ€â€¦..Simple if you leave off what you think you know.
 
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Horsesense, I think you missed his point. A knife in and of itself can be dangerous. A 3yo can injure themselves simply by playing with it. Conversely, a T-ball bat is (IMHO) less dangerous and highly effective.

One other assumption your making is that your spouse is just as capable as you with a knife. In my experiance, this is very rare. As others have suggested, a quality quick release handgun safe gives you more options and lts your wife have a tool that enables her to provide for her defense as well.
 
Horsesense, you might wish to consider talking to the trauma staff at your local hospital about accidental self-inflicted or sibling inflicted injuries to children by sharp and/or pointed objects such as normal kitchen knives. Such injuries are not pretty and some are fatal.

You might feel safer yourself because you don't think your 3 year old can do much damage to you with a knife as compared to a gun, but the three year old can still manage to kill herself with the knife just fine and completely unintentionally.

My comments towards your attitude on the problem reflect this. Nothing you said reflected concern for the safety of the child. You seem to feel fine stashing several knives that you are clearly aware access could be gained to by the child, but that is okay because the child can't harm you too much. Just under what conditions do you think it is okay for a 3 year old to have access to knives you have stashed for self defense, especially in an unsupervised situation as would be the case if the child was to collect one while you were sleeping?

If your child has gained access to the knives, you have done something wrong in failing to protect your child from the inherent dangers posed by objects such as knives.
 
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Anyone who thinks they can outsmart a 3 year old never had one!

"Never argue with a child. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
 
Are you familiar with waterbeds?

In order to conceal a pistol in the side, between the mattress and frame, you would have to pull the mattress back enough to lay the gun flat….completely safe from the 3yo because she could not move that much water. The drawback, of Crosse, is that it takes some doing for an adult to get to it. The risk V’s benefit of keeping a gun in the bed as opposed to on a shelf in the closet make the closet my choice.

In order to hide a “FOLDING KNIFE†you still have to move the mattress, just not as much. Still un- accessible to the 3yo BUT accessible to an adult. The risk of having a knife is acceptable.

She has a good understanding that knives are dangerous because we taught her. She has been taught about sharp objects virtually all her life. She only has a fuzzy understanding that guns are dangerous because I am teaching her.
 
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Hey, look, gang: There's an old, old saying about writing. "It is not your duty to understand me. It is my duty to make myself understood." And that's a two-way street.

So, when there aren't facial expressions and body language to help out, always cut slack when something doesn't seem "righteous" to you. Ask a question or two to see if what you think you understood is really what was meant.

No biggie; just something to think about...

Art
 
Horsesense, does your waterbed have drawers underneath? If so, perhaps you can implement a hidden gun strategy I tried when I had a waterbed - if you can get your hands on a cash register drawer.

What I did was to pull the front off of the bed drawer closest to my arm when I reached over the side of the bed. Then I attached the drawer front over the hole with a couple of slim hinges - so that the drawer front effectively became a door which opened by swinging down, but when closed looked just like a closed drawer.

Then I got the cash register drawer involved. The drawer had a keyhole on the front, but also had an electric switch inside which opened the drawer. I purchased a variable-volt transformer and wired it to the electric switch, with a push button switch wired in-line. I set the transformer to the lowest DC voltage that would trigger the drawer, mounted the cash register drawer inside the old waterbed drawer opening and mounted the pushbutton in an inconspicuous location accessible from where I lay (with all the wiring run within the bed frame, of course).

With this setup, I could roll over in bed, reach for the secret button and the drawer would pop open, pushing the drawer-front "door" open as it did. With the keyhole, the drawer could be locked for extra security when necessary (disabling the electric trigger). It all worked flawlessly...

...except for one thing... no gun.

I prepared the drawer in advance to have a secure but accessible place to store a home defense handgun (I had the drawer already and this gave a use for it). My wife, however, while not (or no longer) an "anti", still retains an inner fear of guns planted early in life. She mostly didn't want a gun in the house, but would have occasional moments (while watching the news, usually), that she would say "we should get a gun". If I could have coordinated those moments with a time we had some extra spending cash, I could have populated the drawer while we still had that bed.

Perhaps this will work out better for someone else.
 
You could do what we did, faced with a similar situation.

I keep my carry gun next to my bed at night, in an opened and unlocked gun case. Our bedroom door is locked. If one of the kids wakes up and wants to come into our room, I simply close the lid to the case and spin the lock on it, before I open the bedroom door.

The gun is on my hip during the day. If it weren't, I'd lock it up.

No fuss, no hassle. And plenty safe.

pax

It is dangerous to confuse children with angels. -- David Fyfe
 
Get a triple retention security holster like an Uncle Mikes Pro 3, Safariland SSIII, or Safariland Raptor and store the gun in it. Should tax the ability of your average 3yo to defeat. And of course a little discouragement on the back of the hand from you if she ever gets the idea she should reach for it.
 
I wouldn't put my gun between the mattress and rail of my waterbed. I only clean that area maybe every 6 months or so. Ever see how much dirt can gather in that area in 6 months? I don't know how the dirt and dust get there, but I know I don't want them on my gun.

It's easy for me; no kids so the shotgun sleeps in the bed with me. (King size bed, plenty of room.) My 9mm is also under the pillows. :D
 
"Horsesense, does your waterbed have drawers underneath?"

No, I wish it did. I did have a good idea, after I set the bed up; I should have left room between the back of the headboard and the wall to mount I shelf for a pistol or shotgun. The headboard is high enough that my 3y/o couldn't clime up and reach over.
 
Instead of a knife get a good tactical flashlight. It will blind an attacker for a few moments, if you need more time you can flash it again until you are able to take control.
Surefire has one available for under $80 for all NRA members and will ship direct to your home.
Saw one demonstrated at the club range a few weeks ago. It was dark and that little thing really sent out a bright beam of light.
You can get more information at www.surefire.com
 
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