ADKWOODSMAN
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My new Ruger with a 4.3 lb trigger right out of the box and rounds that shot a 25cent group at 25 yards.
Almost as good as my series 70 Gold Cup.
Almost as good as my series 70 Gold Cup.
Known out the box accurate 1911s
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Les Baer
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Dan Wesson
Ability to hammer on proper sights helps a lot as well. Avoid pistols like the Kimbers that have limited sight selection due to a proprietary sight cut.
Guncrafter Industries
Dan Wesson
Ability to hammer on proper sights helps a lot as well. Avoid pistols like the Kimbers that have limited sight selection due to a proprietary sight cut.
Chocolate Bayou
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With cost factored into the equation, I believe SA Loaded for the price paid is the best bet. And for @ $500.00 more the TRP is the best in terms of production guns. And my Colt Government .38 Super is most accurate Colt but I figure you are comparing .45acp, but the .38 Super is the most fun to shoot. Only problem there is not being able to run down to local Walmart or Bass Pro et.al and pick up up a box of ammo
Magnuumpwr
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Check out the Para USA expert carry. Full size grip area with a 3" match barrel. They are also available at a reasonable price compared to most other makers that have been recommended.
LiveLife
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+1. How do you quantify "accurate", "super accurate" and "scary accurate"?Sergei Mosin said:
I consider sub 2" to be accurate at 25 yards and sub 1" to be super accurate shot from ransom rest. So I guess "scary accurate" would be 1/2"?
Shot off hand, that depends on the shooter.
Quarter size group at 25 yards. You are better shot than me with likely sharper eyes.ADKWOODSMAN said:
My Sig1911 XO and friend's RIA1911 Tactical shot 1" at 15 yards out of the box and after 7000+ rounds, Sig1911 shot 2" 5 round shot groups at 25 yards with hands resting on a small ice chest and cheap lead reloads with even cheaper Promo powder (I wonder what they will do from a ransom rest with better ammo like AA&A?) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9878749#post9878749
The pistols remained stock with only recoil spring replacement.
Ed Brown indicates 1.5" at 50 yards but using "highest quality ammunition" - http://www.edbrown.com/FAQ.htm#aai
Atlanta Arms & Ammo guarantees 1.25"-1.5" at 50 yards for 9mm match ammo and 2.25" at 50 yards for 45 match ammo - http://www.atlantaarms.com/product-category/ammunition/match/
So Ed Brown must use some "super accurate" ammo for their 45 testing?
Wilson Combat guarantees 1.0" at 25 yards for 5" barrel models and 1.5" for 4"/4.5" barrel models (but that's 25 yards not 50 yards) - http://www.wilsoncombat.com/new/default.asp
Les Baer indicates 3.0" at 50 yards - https://www.lesbaer.com/Premier5.html
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LiveLife
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Here's something quantified - 25 yard comparison range test with ransom rest - http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=3312621#post3312621
So I am guessing the Ruger was shot from a ransom rest?ADKWOODSMAN said:
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stu1ritter
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+10 STI. Lawman 4.0, 50 feet from a sandbag, 1.15"x1.25" handloads, HG#68 over 3.7 VV N310. That's a 4.15" barrel. When I buy my Lawman 5.0 I'll post those groups.
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I wish Dave could do a shootout with old customer guns.
Those LB's and SF's will group tighter than that when a few thousand more rounds go down the pipe. The biggest part of consistent accuracy is that the gun has to return to battery with all the parts in the same location, every time. Stiffer, friction filled 1911's are going to suffer early in life, and get better with age.
At almost 10,000 rounds my POS Kimber is nearly as good as my NEW Dan Wesson. It never used to be that good.
Those LB's and SF's will group tighter than that when a few thousand more rounds go down the pipe. The biggest part of consistent accuracy is that the gun has to return to battery with all the parts in the same location, every time. Stiffer, friction filled 1911's are going to suffer early in life, and get better with age.
At almost 10,000 rounds my POS Kimber is nearly as good as my NEW Dan Wesson. It never used to be that good.
anothernewb
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Dan Wesson. probably one of the best OOB units from what is said about them.
But - since they start at that grand mark, there's a lot of competition there too.
I'll probably get flamed for saying this. Barring a machining or blatant manufacturing defect - I will venture that ANY 1911 made with at least rudimentary care in the process will be limited by the shooter - not the firearm, as per accuracy.
But I may have been extremely lucky in my 1911 choices. All of the 1911's I own and have owned have been flawless and extremely accurate. with really excellent triggers. From my STI Spartan, OOB at 4.25#, my Ruger, OOB at 3.75# sig, OOB at 4#. all have been sweet. In reality, the only exception was my Kimber Grand Raptor which had a bad sear. it broke really crappy and gritty upwards of 5#, yet still retained wonderful accuracy - when I could get a couple consistent pulls. $80 later to a gunsmith, and the kimber has the best trigger and accuracy of them all. At least until my silverback arrives on Wednesday.
But - since they start at that grand mark, there's a lot of competition there too.
I'll probably get flamed for saying this. Barring a machining or blatant manufacturing defect - I will venture that ANY 1911 made with at least rudimentary care in the process will be limited by the shooter - not the firearm, as per accuracy.
But I may have been extremely lucky in my 1911 choices. All of the 1911's I own and have owned have been flawless and extremely accurate. with really excellent triggers. From my STI Spartan, OOB at 4.25#, my Ruger, OOB at 3.75# sig, OOB at 4#. all have been sweet. In reality, the only exception was my Kimber Grand Raptor which had a bad sear. it broke really crappy and gritty upwards of 5#, yet still retained wonderful accuracy - when I could get a couple consistent pulls. $80 later to a gunsmith, and the kimber has the best trigger and accuracy of them all. At least until my silverback arrives on Wednesday.
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Peter M. Eick
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All of my Les Baer 1.5" guaranteed guns are accurate. The 3" guaranteed ones aren't half bad either.
Out of the box, for the money, you can't beat the basic Kimber models. Kimber has the tightest fit consistency in the under $1200 price range. From 12-1800, I'd look at Dan Wesson and the Springfield TRP's. And over 1800 you get into the high end custom stuff. If a builder can't produce accurate 1911's for over 1800 they don't deserve to be in the business.
I had a Kimber Custom Eclipse that consitantly was inside of 1 1/2" on a rest at 25 yards with Blazer Brass, not what I'd call target ammo. I've yet to shoot one that wasn't a tack driver.
I had a Kimber Custom Eclipse that consitantly was inside of 1 1/2" on a rest at 25 yards with Blazer Brass, not what I'd call target ammo. I've yet to shoot one that wasn't a tack driver.
sauer1911
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Of the 1911's I have, I would go with the Sig 1911 TTT.
Alas I will never be able to shoot it as accurate as it can be shot.
be safe
Alas I will never be able to shoot it as accurate as it can be shot.
be safe
LiveLife
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This gets brought up quite often when accuracy of pistols is discussed.Rinspeed said:
When I started shooting USPSA matches 20 years ago, other match shooters (even some Regional shooters) let me shoot their pistols on the same match/practice stages. We regularly hosted "bring your other guns" days where we got to try different guns other shooters owned (for those that trusted each other's reloads anyways).
When you shot an accurate pistol that liked a particular load, it was like shooting laser guided missiles as bullets. Double taps were consistent 1" apart right in the center of targets and bullets went wherever you aimed/pointed the pistol at. It was almost like you couldn't miss.
Fast forward 20 years and I was in pursuit of Dan Wesson PM7 but when that did not happen (during the shortage years), I ended up with a railed Sig 1911 XO (TacPac model). With some known accurate loads, it brought back the feeling I experienced as the pistol "felt" right and holes began to appear where they should be. Even when other shooters shot the pistol who weren't familiar with the Sig1911, their comments were similar with tight shot groups.
The round count is approaching 10,000 with little reduction in accuracy, whenever I handle a DW PM7 now, my heart races a little less each time.
LiveLife
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Accuracy X guarantees 1.5" at 25 yards - http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/accuracy-x-1-5-groups-guaranteed-new-gun-review/
1.25" 10 shot .45 1911(NRA BE Wadgun) 50 yard Ransom Rest test using Atlanta Arms & Ammo
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1.36" 10 shot 9mm 1911 long slide 50 yard Ransom Rest test using Atlanta Arms & Ammo
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1.84" 10 shot 9mm 1911 long slide 100 yard Ransom Rest test using Atlanta Arms & Ammo
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1.25" 10 shot .45 1911(NRA BE Wadgun) 50 yard Ransom Rest test using Atlanta Arms & Ammo
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1.36" 10 shot 9mm 1911 long slide 50 yard Ransom Rest test using Atlanta Arms & Ammo
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1.84" 10 shot 9mm 1911 long slide 100 yard Ransom Rest test using Atlanta Arms & Ammo
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LiveLife
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Just for laughs, Jerry Miculek shooting a balloon at 1000 yards with 9mm revolver (at 1:02 minute mark) - https://youtu.be/jJ3XwizTqDw?t=62
Takes bullet 4 seconds to travel 1000 yards!
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Takes bullet 4 seconds to travel 1000 yards!
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rglassma
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I have a 2014 Colt Gold Cup National Match that was deadly accurate out of the box. No break in required. If it has the features you are satisfied with, I would not hesitate. And with regard to Colts financial situation, the gun is a standard 1911. It can be serviced by any competent smith, can take interchangeable parts with no problem. So, repair, if necessary isn't really an issue. It may cost money if they go down, are not purchased, etc.. But, it isn't like it can not be done.
I love my gold cup, but couldn't get use to the iron front sight. So I just changed it for a red fiber optic front sight from Brownells. Installation was straight forward because it has a Novak compatible dovetail. And wow, what a world of difference.
If you want dead accurate, get an adjustable rear sight. Keep in mind that it isn't just the gun itself that determines accuracy. It is also the ammo. That is the biggest other factor.
If you reload, I would consider only 1911s with an adjustable rear sight no matter what brand or model you decide on. That way, it can be adjusted for ammo type to insure maximum accuracy.
That may or may not suit you if this is a carry gun. YMMV
I love my gold cup, but couldn't get use to the iron front sight. So I just changed it for a red fiber optic front sight from Brownells. Installation was straight forward because it has a Novak compatible dovetail. And wow, what a world of difference.
If you want dead accurate, get an adjustable rear sight. Keep in mind that it isn't just the gun itself that determines accuracy. It is also the ammo. That is the biggest other factor.
If you reload, I would consider only 1911s with an adjustable rear sight no matter what brand or model you decide on. That way, it can be adjusted for ammo type to insure maximum accuracy.
That may or may not suit you if this is a carry gun. YMMV
JTQ
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Repair shouldn't be an issue, but the Gold Cup does have a wider trigger and some Gold Cup unique parts.
http://www.m1911.org/technic16.htm
I guess I'll be the first to proclaim the value of the Rock Island 1911s.
I bought an officer's model, a commander model, a match grade full size, and a tactical full size, and all performed perfectly right out of the box. I cannot say that for my Kimber Classic Gold Match though. The Rock Islands were priced at $400, 425, 675, and 500. The Kimber CGM was $1,100.
The Rock Islands have been 100% reliable, and reasonably accurate. The Kimber CGM was fine after about 500 rounds, but still requires Wilson Combat 8-rnd mags, and refuses to run Federal ammo. But it'll run everything else I feed it.
I bought an officer's model, a commander model, a match grade full size, and a tactical full size, and all performed perfectly right out of the box. I cannot say that for my Kimber Classic Gold Match though. The Rock Islands were priced at $400, 425, 675, and 500. The Kimber CGM was $1,100.
The Rock Islands have been 100% reliable, and reasonably accurate. The Kimber CGM was fine after about 500 rounds, but still requires Wilson Combat 8-rnd mags, and refuses to run Federal ammo. But it'll run everything else I feed it.
Desertrat357
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Well, I'm not seeing a lot of votes for Kimber. And that is where I will cast mine. My Kimber tactical custom II will shoot no larger groups than 2" at 25 yards with store bought stuff. And a little better with my handloads. It is far more accurate than I am.
LiveLife
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Anyone have ransom rest data for Kimbers at 25/50 yards?
LiveLife
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OK, found this (more loads/shot grup sizes at the bottom of article) - http://gunsmagazine.com/a-cache-of-kimbers/
Kimber 45 Stainless Target II at 20 yards:
- 1 1/8" with Black Hills 230 FMJ/JHP and Oregon Trail 200 SWC
- 7/8" with Lyman’s #452460 SWC/6 gr Unique
Kimber 38 Super Target at 20 yards:
- 1.0" with Buffalo Bore 115-grain JHP/Black Hills 130-grain FMJ
- 5/8", 7/8" with DoubleTap 115-gr JHP/Winchester’s 130-gr FMJ/
- 5/8" with 147-gr XTP/6 gr Power Pistol
Kimber 9mm Stainless Target at 20 yards:
- 7/8" with Hornady 115-gr XTP-JHP
- 3/4" with Speer 124-gr/147-gr Gold Dot JHP
- 1/2" with Federal 115-gr Hi-Shok JHP
But these were tested at 20 yards. I wonder how they would do at 25/50 yards?
Kimber 45 Stainless Target II at 20 yards:
- 1 1/8" with Black Hills 230 FMJ/JHP and Oregon Trail 200 SWC
- 7/8" with Lyman’s #452460 SWC/6 gr Unique
Kimber 38 Super Target at 20 yards:
- 1.0" with Buffalo Bore 115-grain JHP/Black Hills 130-grain FMJ
- 5/8", 7/8" with DoubleTap 115-gr JHP/Winchester’s 130-gr FMJ/
- 5/8" with 147-gr XTP/6 gr Power Pistol
Kimber 9mm Stainless Target at 20 yards:
- 7/8" with Hornady 115-gr XTP-JHP
- 3/4" with Speer 124-gr/147-gr Gold Dot JHP
- 1/2" with Federal 115-gr Hi-Shok JHP
But these were tested at 20 yards. I wonder how they would do at 25/50 yards?
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