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Knoxville Paper Publishes Map of CCW!

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by Bainx, Nov 3, 2007.

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  1. Bainx

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    Yes folks, it's true, the liberal media in Knoxville, TN has posted an interactive map showing the addresses of those in my state who have a handgun carry permit. mod edit - this has been demonstrated to be incorrect, so everyone calm down

    http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...9&provider=top

    These jerks say their posting is in the name of research.
    I have posted repeatedly that I would post the names of all of their employees and family members along with addresses and, did they have a problem with me doing this?
    They have blasted [read:deleted] my postings for several hours.

    Well, what do you think on this?
     
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  2. zxcvbob

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    You should find influential politicians or local celebrities with CCW that are on the list and call them up at home. Or go knock on the door. Ask them what they carry, and how you found out about it.
     
  3. Bainx

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    So, they've basically published a shopping list for thieves and stalkers? ****ing idiots.
     
  5. Oana

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    I'll give them brownie points for actually compiling the information into an interesting format and also, for NOT publishing individual permit holders' names. (Unless it's somewhere on there and I haven't found it.) They also seemed to present it *relatively* well for a paper publishing CCW's.

    That said, I don't like it. Even the first names mentioned weren't necessary (8,500 James might be one thing, but 40 Ednas - you KNOW some poor woman named Edna is going to be asked about it). And the map locations - how exactly were they grouping those? It seemed to be somewhat specific, but I couldn't figure out if it was zip code, or what. I need to know that before/if I send a nasty letter. :)

    It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and how readers will interpret it. Take this paragraph:

    You and I would conclude from this that people who fit the profile of the "bulk of crime victims" should be encouraged to get carry permits. OTOH, the average reader might conclude that permits aren't necessary because the "less at-risk" people don't really need them.
     
  6. Snarlingiron

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    Why not return the favor. Post up a website with the names, addresses, and map location of all of the reporters and management of the newspaper, just in the name of research, of course. Hey, just to be thorough, why not include personal phone numbers?
     
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    "You should find influential politicians or local celebrities with CCW that are on the list and call them up at home. Or go knock on the door. Ask them what they carry, and how you found out about it." ZXCVBOB

    Darn good idea!!!
     
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    Wouldn't you have to be a complete and total idiot/moron to rob someone with a CCW?
     
  9. Bainx

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    standby folks, I am asking WBIR hard questions and they are waffeling.
    Stay tuned....
     
  10. jlday70

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    SO what this is to me is a shopping list of where I want to live. THat would be the county with the most CCW holders..

    These people think that the Permit holder are the problem, while the thugs snd criminals(who are really the problem) have no press coverage or census data.
     
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    why is it all of the sudden so interesting for these news agencies to publish all this CCW information? Especially since CCW holders have passed a background check and are law abiding citizens. What is so interesting about law abiding citizens.

    Maybe they will publish the names and addresses of all licensed drivers.
     
  12. Bainx

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    yes jlday70, you could put it that way. Please, move over here among us freedom loving citizens. You are most welcome!
    Here in East Tennessee, we do not put up with a bunch of Oprah peace loving, whale embracing, idiots. We love freedom, plain and simple.
    Yet, violent crime perpetrated by The Black Gangster Disciples takes place here.
     
  13. stevemis

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    What's the harm? I didn't see any addresses or names (other than two first names). It looks like the data has been scrubbed and presented by county.

    The State of North Carolina has similar statistics (number of licensees by county) available on the web. While I don't think actual permit holder information (name, address, etc) should be available to the public, I don't see anything wrong with organizing things on a map and doing some pedestrian statistical analysis on it.

    Unless I'm missing something...
     
  14. Rudy Kohn

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    If you follow a few links and reach their original article, there is a database you can open in Google Earth (or a text editor) which appears to have coordinate data for every individual permit.

    http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wbir/news/kml/statewide.kml

    The location information appears to be available. Accuracy is unknown.
     
  15. stevemis

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    Ok, that's not cool.
     
  16. hso

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    I don't know what ya'll are talking about.
    I go to the map. I open the county. The census tracts come up. No names or addresses of HCP holders appear. What do they have on the map except statistical data that doesn't identify or lead to the identities of HCP holders?

    What I do see is county by county and census tract by census tract within the counties, the relative numbers of HCP holders and the average income of the households in that census tract. What it does show is that there are lots of suburban HCP holders in TN. Lots of suburban voters. The sort of folks politicians like to get support from.

    Where is the identity or individual address for TN HCP holders provided in the WBIR maps or story or discussion?
     
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    I agree with HSO. Where is all the info you are claiming to see. No names no addresses.

    Basically it was a story about permit holders, pretty much a non story. I was rather dissapointed that it was not newsworthy.

    The only thing of interest that I saw on the news that night or on their website was my picture. And to think this is part of my 15 minutes of fame, pretty disappointing.
     
  18. strickj

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    lets hope the bg's reed that map and rob/break in to someone else's house!
     
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    I went so far as to download the map and open it in Google Earth, as suggested upthread. Same result, aggregated information with nothing individually identifiable. As a family with two permits in the household, I have no concerns whatsoever about the info that was printed. Evidently the specifics are available to anyone motivated enough to find out, via the "sunshine laws" regarding public records...but I think the Roanoke Times found out what sort of idea it is to print "The List". ;-)

    I do have a bit of a problem with Knoxville Mayor Haslam signing on with NYC Mayor Bloomberg's "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" coalition (read up on their unethical and some say illegal tactics). I understand that several mayors across the country have actually pulled out once they learn the stunts that Bloomie is pulling; perhaps Haslam needs to know. It might speak louder if the info came from a constituent. (I don't live within his fiefdom).
     
  20. OEF_VET

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    Bainx, you sir, need to relax. There is nothing in the info you posted worth getting excited about. First, you inpune the reputation of the owner of this site, a man who has done more for the RKBA in this country than most; and then you resort to exaggeration and hyperbole, in order to excite the masses about a non-issue. I wish my life were as boring as yours must be, so I could get this excited about nothing.
     
  21. Eightball

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    I don't get it. I click the link, nothing comes up. I search for it, no map.

    Am I missing something?
     
  22. strickj

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    post my addr for the world to see I have a hcp,and maybe the bg's will break into the house next door or steal the car down the street.it's kinda like the "forget the dog beware the owner with gun silhouette"you use to see all the time.I think it could be a deterrent for the masses.just don't post my name and other personal info like I'm some sex offender.I see nothing wrong with it and would welcome it.
    just my 3 cents
     
  23. Rudy Kohn

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    I stand corrected. The huge amounts of coordinate data in the text file, e.g.

    -84.844365,35.310696,0

    are data corresponding to polygons describing the borders between areas indicated in the map. I have examined a few of the data points, and, if you reverse the coordinates and ignore the altitude, e.g.

    35.310696,-84.844365

    (if you don't reverse them, you end up in Antarctica!)

    they point to the borders between zip codes, or whatever boundaries are used in the map. I saw huge amounts of very specific coordinate data in the file, and assumed, since they were preceded by a "placemark" tag, that they were address data. Instead, they are actually high resolution descriptions of polygons across the surface of the earth defining the borders you see when you open the file in Google Earth.

    I'm completely convinced; there's nothing remotely problematic about this. I still think CCW information shouldn't be public, but I don't think there's any reason to cry foul here.

    My apologies for posting without doing enough research.
     
  24. hso

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    Thank you, Rudy Kohn. You're one of the first to jump out of the lynch mob and let everyone know Bainx's ranting is completely off base. You also had the personal honor to point out that there was no identity information in the maps on the WBIR line. Good on you.

    For EVERYONE'S information, there are NO maps or any other information from the WBIR analysis that leads anyone to the names or addresses of HCP holders in TN. NO NAMES OR ADDRESSES OF HCP HOLDERS. None. Zip. NADA!

    Download the file and run it on Google Earth and see for yourselves (and think for yourselves also).

    Anyone from here on out that continues to claim that identity info is available from WBIR on their analysis of distribution/concentration and income demographics for HCP holders in TN either is intentionally trying to deceive or thoughtlessly parroting those that are trying to deceive.

    FYI - "Alarmed", who is the pot stirrer on the WBIR line has acknowledged that he was wrong about WBIR making the addresses or names of HCP holders available and out of line and he has apologized. After posting personal information on station personnel much of last evening.

     
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  25. Im283

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    Where is Bainx to admit he was wrong?

    I am sure there are some peace loving individuals here in TN. What is wrong with that?
     
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