Krav Maga

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I know Krav Maga was invented by the Israeli Mossad to be an extremely effective real world self defense system. What do you all think about it? Is it really more effective in real world situations than Karate or Judo (which both are good and effective but seem more for tournaments and exhibitions than dealing with an attacker or rapist). Of course I could be wrong since I'm not very knowledgeable about martial arts so no flames please. Also anyone know of good Krav Maga schools in Texas?

Hugo
 
I've been doing it for about six months now and I'm impressed, more by the mental attitude and the scenarios it presents rather than any specific techniques. Like any other "style" it offers some very good stuff and some stuff that I know I wouldn't ever use. We've been doing a lot more groundwork lately, which I like.

Some Krav Maga schools put a real emphasis on conditioning, others don't. I would look for schools that have an affiliation with the main training center in Los Angeles (the official web site also breaks down school locations by state).

It's certainly not the last word in self defense but if you want to quickly learn some basic techniques that are applicable to a lot of situations, give it a shot.
 
I've been doing KM for about a year now, and I love it. My 1 year of Krav is easily worth the 3 or so that I put into kenpo, though I'm glad to have that as well.

It wasn't really for the Mossad, btw. It was developed for regular military as a means to rapidly learn effective skills in the short time alloted to recruits. Most soldiers get very little mat time.

I would wholeheartedly recommend Krav Maga. You can find a school in Texas by going to www.kravmaga.com and using their school finder tool.

Good luck!
 
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How to train?

I haven't been able to find any books on this. There are no training centers where I live and I think the videos are overpriced. Any suggestions?
 
I took a year of Krav Maga from an Israeli Drill Sargeant. Didn't learn new techniques of any kind (I had been taking Kenpo, Judo, and Aikido) but it really gave me the right mindset.

I highly reccomend it, especially if you don't take much martial arts. But it's good even if you do, because it's very REAL WORLD, IE you practice with fake guns and knives, and to defend against real attacks. Something that Karate and especially Judo aren't very good at.
 
First off I have to say I only took one introductory course of Krav Maga, but I did not go back. A couple of things bothered me.

1. This class had us bouncing around on the balls of our feet or constantly in motion while executing different punches in front of a mirror. This was not movement in conjuction with technique, but more like cardio/step class work outs. Is this normal?

2. I declined the hand wraps, telling the instructor I don't throw strikes with my knuckles, I train to throw heel of palm strikes. He said I have to throw closed fist punches. I said I do not set-up my knuckles and fingers to be broken. Instructor said in his class I will throw closed fist punches.

3. When in small group and being "assualted" by other student with pad in order to strike back, I did not wait to be "hit". As each student advanced on me, I immediately started striking the pad. Instructor said I was doing it wrong, I said if I see the "assault" comming I do not wait to take the first (and possibly disabling) blow. He said close my eyes, I said how can I see the assault comming/defend myself with my eyes closed. He said just do it.

The few techniques I was introduced to in class seemed like they would be effective on the street, as long as I wasn't hopping around with my eyes closed preparing to break my knuckles :D

I'll be the first to admit I guess I just didn't "get it".

regards
 
No offense, but if you insist that you will not follow the training method, you can't really expect to get much out of it. Going full-bore in a half-speed exercise or insisting on working outside the current drill is simply gaming the training. The impression, fair or not, is usually that the guy doing it is simply more interested in looking good than he is in learning.

For instance, saying "when I see an attack coming, I don't wait to be hit" sounds very tactical, but if I were presented with the same drill I would assume it was meant to prepare me for the times when I don't see the attack coming. That happens too, you know. If you never, ever get taken by surprise, then I suppose you would't need that training.

Did you ask your instructor why he wants you to throw closed-fist punches? If all you did was inform him that you wouldn't even try one class his way, it's not really surprising that you didn't get much out of it.
 
Yeah, we do a lot of closed fist drills and it bothers me too. However, my instructors freely acknowledge that you've got a good chance of breaking your knuckles with a closed fist (they say, "Use it if that's all you have") and they preach a lot of palm heel strikes, as well as hammer fists, forearms, elbows and knees. I'd avoid any instructor that's too didactic about any one technique.

I'm not sure what you mean in your third point. We do some drills we're you're supposed to close your eyes and get wacked to simulate the shock of getting hit (obviously "simulate" is the key word) and then being able to react. Some other drills are set up as basic blocking excercises. Like Don says, I think everybody acknowledges you need to move and get out of the way if you can but some drills are set up to work on what you do if you can't get out of the way for some reason.
 
RCS,

You can't try to blow off all the training, mouth off to the instructor, then wonder why you didn't get anything out of it. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the suggestion re: Amazon. Also thanks for the link to The Pit, a great website!
Regards,
Never
 
How much are you guys paying on average for your KM training? Is it typically more expensive than other M.As? The places around here (NYC Metro Area) seem to be well over $100 per month.
 
1. This class had us bouncing around on the balls of our feet or constantly in motion while executing different punches in front of a mirror. This was not movement in conjuction with technique, but more like cardio/step class work outs. Is this normal?

Yes. Most people do not know how to throw a decent punch until they've been taught. Watch any street fight and you'll see a lot of flailing roundhouse punches. Shadow boxing is a pretty time tested method of drilling form into people. And yes, there is definitely a big aerobic aspect to the class.

2. I declined the hand wraps, telling the instructor I don't throw strikes with my knuckles, I train to throw heel of palm strikes. He said I have to throw closed fist punches. I said I do not set-up my knuckles and fingers to be broken. Instructor said in his class I will throw closed fist punches.

We train with both, and most people prefer a palm heel for punching someone in the head. If you were there when they happened to be doing closed-fist, they expect you do that. There is no single way to do most krav maga evolutions, but they have to start somewhere, and that is usually at square one. After you have that down, do whatever works for you.

3. When in small group and being "assualted" by other student with pad in order to strike back, I did not wait to be "hit". As each student advanced on me, I immediately started striking the pad. Instructor said I was doing it wrong, I said if I see the "assault" comming I do not wait to take the first (and possibly disabling) blow. He said close my eyes, I said how can I see the assault comming/defend myself with my eyes closed. He said just do it.

Seeing the blow coming is nice, but bad guys are not always that obliging. Someone who wants to mug you or just gets mad and throws one is likely to suprise you. Any choke is going to be a suprise, since it would be pretty silly to allow someone to get their hands on your throat if you knew about it in advance. Personally I love this kind of training.

Being able to absorb a blow, and keeping your head, is a big part of surviving a fight. There's only one way to develop that, and that's to get hit.

Perhaps you are already an accomplished fighter, but the instructor cannot be expected to know that when you just walked into his class. I consider myself to be pretty decent at it, and I still go to level-one classes to work on the basics.

Training is done in a cycle, with each class being different. One day you'll work on wheel kicks and breaking a front choke, another day you might just practice a very basic punch and how to fall and get up efficiently. Eventually you'll get it all, if you miss a part of the cycle just wait for it to come around again.

The tapes are pretty decent in that they let you see the various techniques over and over from all angles with good form. To get decent practice you'll need a partner and some focus mitts & a kick shield, though. I got mine on an auction site for $60, all 5 tapes.

I pay $85 per month, to answer the previous poster. It would be more if I did month-to-month. Individual schools set their own price, they just have to keep up to teaching standards.

There is a forum at kravmaga.com where you can ask any question you want, and get better answers than I can give you.
 
Folks,
It seems that my wording in my prior post came across poorly, even thou I did use a happy face. I'll try to do better this time.

First an explaination. I was only looking to brush up on some empty hand techniques as sort of a continuing education to all the CQB courses I've taken in the past. I'm retired military, 52 years old, and not looking for a ranking or a belt in anything. Nowadays I only seek out concept based training, not the school house dogma/mentality that there is only one way or one system. I look for training that is student oriented in order to make the student (me) a better fighter.

As long as I keep my mobility, balance, and stability and strike well, I'm accomplishing my objective regardless of what I used to do it (closed fist/heel palm strike/ elbow/knee/etc).

I've punched with a closed fist before. I've studied it and concluded it is not a good technique for ME. So I do not adopt it within my training. Will I ever use it? Maybe, but 99% of the time I would not. So why spend even 10% of my time doing it. It is not a "tool" (concept) that fits MY NEEDS.

I've been "hit" before and I've been knocked over so I know what it is like. But it's not a concept I train to. If I see the attack comming, I will counter it and not "take" the first blow. I do not conform to some predetermined pattern or doctrine as to "well, that's how we always do it".

I hope I've explained myself better this time. I appreciated all of your comments with the exception that someone who doesn't know me or was not there concluded that I mouthed off to the instructor and/or blew off the training. IF you knew me you would realize how off-base your fippant comment was.

regards
 
If you want to work on some specific thing, you might need a private lesson. Group classes consign you to practice whatever the group is doing.

I frequently leave off the hand wraps and just throw palm heels, regardless of what the class is doing, btw. It's not that great of a difference, as long as I'm doing the same basic drill. We have a lot of leeway, but I just did everything verbatim when I was a newbie.

Many of the exercises, they don't care what combatives you use as long as they are aimed and well executed.

If I see the attack comming, I will counter it and not "take" the first blow.

That's a big if :)
 
Back in 1997 I was given a demo of KM by some Swedish police officers who were KM instructors.
I was not impressed.
I am back in Sweden now, and some Swedish soldiers who just finished a three week course in military KM gave me a demo yesterday.
VERY GOOD STUFF!! It is now nearly identical to the old FAS WW2 systems.
Highly recommended!!
 
Was actually going to ask about this at some point so will use this thread. Can't find any classes outside of London, has not caught on here yet - so what do you guys think about the tapes and books? Useful or not?
 
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