Kuwait Grenade Attack

[CampX]

After watching CNN, they tell us that a "terrorist" infiltrated a US army Camp , and rolled 2 grenades through a tent door at 2:00AM in the morning. "TERRORISTS"????? Its called a WAR people, and this is in the realms of warfare. Where were the US soldiers who should have been guarding the perimeter to keep the enemy out? Or did they think that being in Kuwait that they were safe from this sort of attack? Or were they too sleepy from eating a lobster dinner to even bother guarding the base? I just really hate that the reports say that it was a "terrorist" attack......that word is so over-used and improperly used, it is pathetic. Call it an act of war, sabotage, whatever, not terrorism.

 

[Bruce H]

Last word was it was a serviceman who tossed the grenades. This will take awhile to unravel.

 

[P12]

Fox news is reporting that it was a serviceman that has been with the unit for a long time. He is an "Arab-American"

 

[Standing Wolf]

Fox news is reporting that it was a serviceman that has been with the unit for a long time. He is an "Arab-American"

I hope that turns out not to be true.

 

[Airwolf]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml

An American Muslim soldier is among three people being questioned in connection with a grenade and small-arms attack that injured at least 10 U.S. soldiers at Camp Pennsylvania in northern Kuwait, reports CBS News Correspondent Mark Strassman.

 

[Sir Galahad]

If this is true, this "soldier" should be court-martialed and then shot. A piece of crap who would do that to his comrades should actually have to run the gauntlet until death. And then the body flung on the nearest dung heap.

 

[Cal4D4]

Interesting commentary revolving around whether Muslim clerics within the forces were advising Muslims to follow the various religious tenets for Muslims not to shoot at Muslims and follow declared holy wars against US. Gets kinda complex.

 

[publius]

Complex? The Jihad declared against us seems pretty straight forward to me. I should be killed, along with pretty much everyone here. Not too hard to understand.

 

[OF]

Man. I hope that's not the way that played out. What a CF.

- Gabe

 

[David]

"the enemy within" ???

It breaks my heart if these stories are true:

First a Muslim-American FBI agent is alleged to have perhaps hindered terrorism-related investigations due to his religious beliefs.

And today, a Muslim-American member of our armed forces is alleged to have thrown a grenade(s) at his command staff -- see link:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31674

Not only does his suspected actions injure USA troops directly, but perhaps even more damaging, his alleged actions will be used by Saddam's henchmen for propaganda purposes -- i.e. USA troops turning on each other, etc.

As I said, this breaks my heart if some of our fellow Americans would put their Muslim faith (or ANY faith) before their loyalty to their country after they take an oath as a federal agent or a member of the armed forces!



Just my 2 cents...

 

[Blackhawk]

Apparently, this American Muslim did a Vietnam style fragging of three tents, the CO, the XO, and a third tent. The grenade tossed into the CO's tent didn't explode, and the injuries were were due to the other two grenades. Total of 16 injured.

The alleged fragger was on guard duty, turned up missing, was found in a bunker later, and had been shot in the leg.

There is going to be some serious stuff from this, and I'm really sad for the Screaming Eagles that is, IMO, one of the finest combat units ever fielded by the U.S.

If the fragger was a bona fide member of the 101st, he has single handedly destroyed any tolerance for Muslim soldiers in tight U.S. combat units, and that will be REALLY sad because there's not enough whitewash in the world to offset the downstream effects!

I really hope he'll be a documentable sleeper!

 

[ahadams]

calmly David, calmly...remember Army CID has prosecuted members of the Crips who have infiltrated Army units by going through basic and so forth, it's not unlikely that during the previous administration a lot of other questionable sorts of people may have gotten in. That does NOT mean that all Islamic members of the Armed Forces are suspect, merely that we shouldn't be too surprised if one or two ringers got past the clintonista era screening tests.

[whoops almost forgot: to those not familiar with the term "crips" are a street gang which originated on the west coast of the USA and is now indigenous to a number of our major inner city areas, as well as to numerous prison facillities. These guys make the 1930's gangsters look like Boy Scouts by comparison.]

 

[Blackhawk]

Likewise, David, likewise.

 

[David]

Please, guys, read my post CAREFULLY:

1 -- I am expressing how I would feel IF these allegations turn out to be true.

and

2 -- I would feel the same way if a person of ANY faith would turn on his/her own country especially after they take an oath as a federal agent or as a member of our armed forces to protect and defend our country and our constitution.

As some wise folks on the old TFL said:

Read twice -- Post once!

 

[2dogs]

Muslim-American soldier
detained in Kuwait attack
16 troops injured in grenade assault
described by Pentagon as 'inside job'

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Posted: March 22, 2003
8:51 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A U.S. soldier being described as a Muslim is now in custody for alleged complicity in the grenade and small-arms attack on members of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division encamped in Northern Kuwait, which injured 16 soldiers, 11 seriously.

In addition, two Kuwaitis who had served a translators are being held for questioning, according to CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann, who is imbedded with the 101st.

Strassmann reported that the grenades were rolled into two commanders' tents. When officers ran from their tents, they were hit by small arms fire, he said.

George Heath, 101st spokesman at home base Fort Campbell, said: "From our reports it appears that a terrorist penetrated Camp Pennsylvania, one or more terrorists threw two hand grenades into a tent."

Calling it a criminal matter and an "inside job," the Pentagon says the U.S. soldier had been missing on base. The soldier implicated was reportedly in charge of grenades, according to MSNBC.

None of the injuries are being called life threatening, and some of the casualties have been air-lifted out of the camp.

Strassmann also reported that an Iraqi rocket fired at U.S. forces in Kuwait was downed by Patriot missiles launched from nearby Camp New Jersey.

Time reporter Jim Lacey told ABC News that he talked to an eyewitness at the rear base camp who said that grenades were rolled into a tents that housed the leaders of the brigadier unit. A terrorist, the witness told Lacey, shot the first two people who exited the tent. Sky News reports that a third grendade was rolled into a third tent housing officers, but that it did not explode.

Camp Pennsylvania was named to honor of the victims of plane that crashed in Pennsylvania during the Sept. 11 attacks. The camp, located approximately 20-30 miles south of the Iraqi border, is surrounded by large berms and guarded by armed soldiers, with others in observation posts watching the desert. The camp is also home to Patriot missile batteries.

The U.S. soldier is currently being questioned, and U.S. authorities are tight-lipped about characterizing his possible involvement.

Stuart Ramsay, a reporter with Sky News, says the Muslim soldier had become a concern to his commanding officers.

"In recent days they were concerned about his behavior and were not going to send him up to the front when the soldiers were going to be deployed," Ramsay said.

It is not clear whether the soldier, who Ramsay said would have been in the Gulf for some weeks, had planned the attack before being deployed.

"Talking to other soldiers, it could be that he was disgruntled," Ramsay said. "They said he had been acting 'weird' for days."




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[publius]

If the fragger was a bona fide member of the 101st, he has single handedly destroyed any tolerance for Muslim soldiers in tight U.S. combat units, and that will be REALLY sad because there's not enough whitewash in the world to offset the downstream effects!

Singlehanded? Hardly. If one Catholic had done this, no one would say he had singlehandedly destroyed any tolerance for Catholics in the ranks. It's the context of Jihad, and this guy didn't create the context.

 

[ahadams]

Blackhawk is entirely correct. The induhvidual in question (to borrow the spelling from Dilbert) has also seriously damaged morale in his unit to the point where he has undoubtedly affected their combat readiness.

He's also an idiot who believed something that was largely a latrine rumor/myth/ uh well you know I can't say that on THR. Despite rumors to the contrary 'fraggings' were relatively rare occurances (having worked with folks who at an earlier time were quite able to keep count of such things) and while there have been uhm, unusual accidents, that may have occurred to unusual people under unusual circumstances as long as there has been such a thing as war it was never EVER a one man operation. A fool with handgrenades is just a more lethal fool than one without them.

 

[ahadams]

Very good David!

That's exactly what we were hoping you would say! It isn't that you didn't mean that, it's that you need to make it clear to all the readers of your post. thanks!

 

[OF]

None of the injuries are being called life threatening

Thank God for small miracles.

- Gabe

 

[Blackhawk]

Singlehanded? Hardly. If one Catholic had done this, no one would say he had singlehandedly destroyed any tolerance for Catholics in the ranks. It's the context of Jihad, and this guy didn't create the context.

There's no stronger brotherhood than that in combat units. There are no Catholics, etc. There are just your comrades in arms. If the fragger managed to get through jump school and Screaming Eagle training without being strongly imbued with that brotherhood, he HAS screwed the pooch for practicing Muslims in the tight combat arms units.

They will be regarded the same as somebody who makes it through but turns out to be a coward.

 

[LawDog]

Hmm.

Reminds me of the Atlanta Olympics Bombing and a innocent security guard named Richard Jewell, who wound up tried, convicted, pilloried and ruined in/by the press.

Did anyone in the Media ever say, "Oops, sorry about that old boy"?

Me, I'm going to stay off of the Judgement Bandwagon until I get a lot more information.

LawDog

 

[p35]

One of the soldiers who died in the helicopter crash was a Moslem, doing his job like any other soldier. Islam is a huge religion, and it's no more fair to say that this nut's behavior (if this turns out to be true) is typical of Moslems than it would be to say that Tim McVeigh was a typical Christian.

 

[Blackhawk]

Great news, AFAIK! The arrested perp is a CE ATTACHED to the 101st! That suggests he's NOT a member of the 101st!

Also, there's no confirmation that he's a Muslim.

Need to check his dog tags....

 

[Blackhawk]

Just saw them get the perp to his feed from his face down position in the mud with his hands cable tied behind his back.

He had a Screaming Eagle patch, but that may have simply been due to his being attached to the 101st.

Sadly, one of the wounded soldiers has died.

 

[Dannyboy]

If he was wearing a 101 patch, he was assigned to the 101, not attached. They're saying that attack may have been because he didn't like the command group and was not necessarily religiously motivated. However, if religion turns out to be the deciding factor then I think all Muslim soldiers could possibly pulled from their units for questioning.