LAPD Prepares for Suicide Bombers

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It could also be that the sponsoring nations (Iran, Syria…) understanding that American military power is right next door in Iraq

Throw in Saudi Arabia and then ask why are our forces next door? Perhaps, the war in Iraq was not targeted correctly? As long as countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia pump oil, they will be allowed to conduct a small level of terrorist attacks.

It is pretty clear that while stuck in Iraq we sadly don't have the power to do much to a country the size of Iran.

We, however, are stuck in Iraq. My fear is that once again we will not use the necessary force to win. We are waiting to the Iraqis step up to plate as we waited for the South VietNamese to do the same.

I have a friend who worships Bush, he says that we have enough troops there because Bush says that's all the generals wants. Right - another conservative friend and I say to him that the Shineseki (sp?) example has shut up any dissent. However, my Bush lover friend says - you mean the generals won't say what they want? Laughter ensues.

Friend says that if we win the war then the Iraqis won't learn how to stand up to themselves. Thus, I ask if we should lose a 1000 men a year and 10,000 men for the next 12 years (Rummy) while they learn. One never has a problem in war with too much force well applied. But Bush says this crap and of course he is god.

You should hear his explanation of why Bush supporting the AWB means he is really progun. :confused:
 
Its just a matter of time before it happens but we could go a long way to keeping the damage to a minimum if we'd get our IMMIGRATION PROBLEM under control. Fat chance.
 
It will interesting to see what the response of the LAPD is when the "Intifada" breaks out in SoCal. No, not Muslim terrorists. I'm talking about illegal aliens and their supporters versus everybody else. And whose side will Bush be on?

Bratton, LAPD's head honcho, is the guy who told a caller on talk radio--I was listening at the time--that if he didn't like the illegal immigration, he should move.
 
You don't need a lot of people to detonate themselves in a massive plan.

One idiot can create chaos on a large scale by detonating themselves at any of the following venues:
--Fox and Friends outside the window
--Today show on a Friday during an outside song or cooking demonstration.

The 24 hour news cycle combines with breathless hysteria and hyper competitiveness will give us all the chaos we can stand.
 
This is REAL LIFE not a Tom Clancy novel and neither the cops, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA or any other alphabet agency is 1/10th as good in real life as they are in the movies and books.
I compete in a police pistol league. The teams consist of the Chicago Police Department, many small suburban dept's and, of course, the Combined Federal Team. Guess which of the 26 teams consistently comes in dead last. Yep, you guessed it. The Fed's. Truth be told, their actual skills revolve around public relations propaganda. When the SHTF rely on your local PD's.
 
If Al-Queda wanted to kill Americans in Malls they could do it quite easily in my opinion. The fact that they haven't done it yet indicates to me that they won't. What would it accomplish? How would it achieve they're strategic goals. The bombers maybe moronic fanatics willing to die for the cause but the leaders are far from stupid and the actions they take it seems to me are taken for good reason with some goal (maybe unfathomable to us) in mind.
Hmmm. So lets talk about 9/11 and the strategic goal there. Was part of their strategic goal to lose Afghanistan within three months to the United States Military? Was their goal to lose most of their top lieutinuts and slash their operational capability tremendously? Was their strategic goal to get us to invade Iraq after two years? Was their strategic goal that once they had Iraq freed from Saddam Hussein to use it as a terrorist combat zone? Those are some awfully big assumptiosn and most of those assumptions result in a decrease in strategic power for AQ.

So tell me again why if using suicide bombers is so easy in the United States, why aren't they doing it?

Oh wait, here is an answer.
It could also be that the sponsoring nations (Iran, Syria…) understanding that American military power is right next door in Iraq, are doing everything in their power to prevent attacks on American soil, lest they pay the price.
I would enjoy seeing how Iran and Syria were able to gain a significant amount of control over AQ leadership enough to be able to disuade AQ from attacking America again. Very interesting theory. You would think if Syria was that concerned about not getting invaded, they would be trying to stop foreign terrorists from flooding across their borders into Iraq. I mean with the US's past practice of invading Cambodia or Laos, you would think if Syria was concerned about keeping the US out of their country, they would shut down the Iraqi border.

I still think they aren't capable. I think Werewolf underestimates the number of snitches out there and operational security difficulties for a 100 man suicide squad. I would think if AQ had the capability to attack us again, they would take it. Or I guess it is strategically better for them to stay on the run and remain largely dormant for the past 4 years.

Oh well, time will tell what happens. I predict a nuclear detonation on Los Angeles will be the next big hit. Sadly enough, as horrible as that is, it would improve the politics in this state tremendously. I know, that is a bad thing to say. Bad but true.
 
This thread...

...seems to prove that nobody knows what the AQ, etc. is up to.

'Course we can make some reasonable assumptions, but that's it.

I am convinced that they don't like us. Neither did Hitler, Tojo, etc.

rr
 
I would think if AQ had the capability to attack us again, they would take it. Or I guess it is strategically better for them to stay on the run and remain largely dormant for the past 4 years.
You know, I've thought the same. Maybe AQ just doesn't have what it takes to bring an attack here. Sure, they might be big in the middleast, with maybe some trips into Europe, but they don't have any juice in this hemisphere. Maybe it's blown out of proportion. I haven't heard of any arrested either inside the U.S. or trying to get in. :confused:
 
Hmmm. So lets talk about 9/11 and the strategic goal there. Was part of their strategic goal to lose Afghanistan within three months to the United States Military? Was their goal to lose most of their top lieutinuts and slash their operational capability tremendously? Was their strategic goal to get us to invade Iraq after two years? Was their strategic goal that once they had Iraq freed from Saddam Hussein to use it as a terrorist combat zone? Those are some awfully big assumptiosn and most of those assumptions result in a decrease in strategic power for AQ.

So tell me again why if using suicide bombers is so easy in the United States, why aren't they doing it?

IMO Al-Queda's goals for 911 were to kill Americans and take out a financial center that would hurt our economy. They may also have been farsighted enough to figure that such an attack on our soil would drive security measures to a point that would limit the freedoms we enjoy (and thus annoy the people and limit the corruption that Islam believes comes with freedom). They were - in their minds I am sure - quite successful in achieving those goals.

What AQ wasn't successful at was predicting the US response to the attack (which as described in the quote above are quite disengenuously described as goals) . I'd bet that they figured on a Clintonesque response of a few Tomahawk missiles launched into Afghanistan. I'd also bet that that's the same response most Americans would have figured on too if asked prior to 911 "what would the response of the US be to a major terrorist attack on our soil".

AQ achieved their goals and objectives on 911; they miscalculated (to their detriment) our potential response.

I'll say it again:
If AQ wanted to attack malls in the US it would be a trivial operation. But it would accomplish nothing but to enrage an already enraged nation even more. Malls are small time and any beneficial result to AQ would be outweighed by the potentially more negative response of the US.

IMO the next attack on the US will be along the lines of a small tactical nuke or a gas attack in a very crowded place. The nuke - assuming they could get one - could be smuggled into the US with ease. Nerve gas is relatively easy to make - it's dispensing it that's a problem. So take your pick - one or the other - each is a good bet. It's the when that's anybody's guess.

Only an attack on the scale of a nuke or nerve agent has the potential to cause enough damage such that in the minds of AQ the benefits outweigh the costs - because now they know - there will be a cost.
 
Only an attack on the scale of a nuke or nerve agent has the potential to cause enough damage such that in the minds of AQ the benefits outweigh the costs - because now they know - there will be a cost.

They are waiting for the Democrats to be in charge again, because they know that the cost will be much less with deomcraps in charge in congress or the Whitehouse.
 
In a MEMRI post right after 911 an AQ spokesman said AQ specifically claims the right to kill 4 million Americans of which would be 2 million children.

I look for a hit on a school or several schools. The psychological effect would be huge. Equal to a WMD on a media center? Nope but it would be easier to pull off.
 
They are waiting for the Democrats to be in charge again, because they know that the cost will be much less with deomcraps in charge in congress or the Whitehouse.

With Republicans controlling all branches of the government, we've shifted our resources from hunting down the Wahabbis to liberating Iraq.

Next excuse?
 
Didn't they attack the WTC with a Republican in charge? What was their logic them?

How about they just attack because they do so when they feel ready? Maybe attacking an somewhat irrelevant country doesn't really deter them? Maybe they have their own timetable and the POTUS means squat to them.
 
Nevermind the possibility of various forms of attack, it's now the idea of the result that interests me. Mall attacks would enrage an already enraged nation? Who's enraged? I won't trot out a percent but I'll say most of the country couldn't care less. It didn't affect them, it happened a long time ago and the government is going to take care of them.

Nuke LA? "Well that's bad and we should do something about it, but it was a long way from here...

Kill people's sons and daughters in malls or shopping districts or schools in numerous places where most of America actually lives? Most of the population would turn into quivering masses of useless flesh hoping someone, anyone, will "take care of them"(or fearing they might get drafted to go take care of it) and a small minority would actually get angry. Get that close to home and the sheeple will show their true colors.

Now if you could do an N/B/C attack on a major city in conjunction with local attacks that would be doubly worthwhile.

Getting the killers, for small attacks or big ones, into the US is nothing. Just walk across the Mexican border. Bring whatever you want that is man-portable along. Nobody there to do anything about it.

The only question I have no answer to is why they haven't done it already, unless they have truly been too wrapped up in hiding out in the Middle East to organize anything. If that's all it is then it's really just a matter of time.
 
Good points about the Democrats in charge vs. George Bush. I too underestimated our response the night of 9/11. I was with a bunch of teenagers in the boonies and one of them was getting everyone all riled up saying we were going to war. As a child of the Clinton administration I said, "Relax, we aren't going to war. They will just launch some cruise missles or something." Even I had grown used to Clinton's timid responses and must now eat crow on that one.

Is it possible that with as many things that we got complacent on or didn't factor in for 9/11 that Bin Laden did the same thing? Is it possible he didn't realize the hornets nest he was stirring up? I honestly think so. He bombed our ships, our embassys, and who knows what else and we did little about it. Maybe now as he runs about the hills of Pakistan he regrets ever planning or not planning that attack.

So I think it is safe to guess that the terrorists know that they are hunted now and further attacks upon our soil will increase that desire. Does that mean they would be willing to wait for the big hit instead of taking a few smaller strikes? Hard to tell. Their lack of action in the United States might indicate so.

I still think that they just simply don't have the resources know that there is a war on terror. 9/11 worked so well because of complacency. Maybe as each year goes by and we get complacent again, our odds increase of having another big attack. Only time will tell. Keep your eyes open and stay alert.
 
I look for a hit on a school or several schools. The psychological effect would be huge. Equal to a WMD on a media center? Nope but it would be easier to pull off.

Americans are still asleep. We aren't out of this yet by a long shot. Schools, malls, sure. And, yeah, most Americans will cry for mommy. But some won't, and they are the ones the Muslim world needs to be wary of.
 
So how do the London attacks play into this discussion? We might have to wait and see if they were suicide attacks. I just think it is much easier for people to leave the bombs and get out.

I guess we can see how the people of England react to this attack. Odds are with as many cameras as they have in that town, we might see some of the terrorists faces soon. If they are Arab, we might be able to witness London's response. If they are pale skinned and red-headed, will England attack Ireland? We will find out.
 
It could work in Sweden. 15 % here are Moslems.

More likely Denmark though. Same percentage there and the Danes have troops in Iraq.
 
I just think it is much easier for people to leave the bombs and get out.
The initial report I heard on BBC was "time bomb" as opposed to "suicide bomb".
Certainly throws a wrench into the works and lets people know that BG's are still on the prowl.

A series of this type of events for a few days or months could certainly impact the economy (since attack seemed to center around London's Financial District) of the affected target(s).

And once again, I hope that ALL Police Depts have some form of rescue and crowd control contingency plans, since they can really only do follow-up work after the fact.

Prayers go out to families of those affected by this morning's bombings.
 
Anyone changing their position based on recent events in London?

I'm waiting for more information before I make any changes. Changing my opinion based on unsupported net rumor doesn't seem very rational.
 
It will be interesting to see the demographics of the attackers and the response from the common Brit. That is what I am interested in. I still don't think they are likely to occur here and the probability that maybe only one out of four bombs were a suicider sort of gives my position more credibility. I just don't think suicide bombing would go over well in majority white countries.
 
I wonder what the acceptable number of bombings will be here. The first one will be a big deal no doubt. Then as the second, third and fourth come along, people will begin to accept it as the norm, like freeway accidents, road rage and drivebys. Because you know damn well .gov is not going to do anything about it. They won't go out, profile, round up and deport these people. So, learn to live with it, because it's on its way.
 
Ooops! Time to eat crow. It seems they were all suicide bombers and 3 of 4 were British nationals.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162358,00.html

London Bombers Believed to Be Homegrown

Wednesday, July 13, 2005

LONDON — At least three of the four suspected homicide bombers who carried out the deadly attacks on London's transit system last week were born in England and all four of the men came from Leeds in the English Midlands, according to British media.

All four men are believed to have been killed in the blasts last Thursday, which claimed at least 52 lives on three subway trains and on a bus.

According to British media reports, three of the four are described as British nationals of Pakistani origin, all of whom lived in and around Leeds (search), which is heavily populated with lower- and lower-middle-class blue-collar workers.

Many Pakistanis immigrated to the area several decades ago to work in textile mills, many of which have since shut down. The area is rife with ethnic tension and was the site of notorious race riots in 2001.

Christina Corbett, a London intelligence analyst, told FOX News that if the attacks were the work of Al Qaeda (search), the terror network would most likely have sent an expert to train the cell and extracted this person before the attack was carried out.

"It's highly likely that these four men were not working alone," Corbett said. "One of these men reportedly was 19, which is way too young to be training in a [terrorist] camp in Afghanistan (search)."

Corbett said the developments in the case could help uncover other terror cells operating in the United Kingdom.

"I don't think that further attacks have been ruled out; they were certainly expected after the [bombings in London]," Corbett said. "But as the criminal investigation proceeds, it will certainly become more difficult for the terrorists to carry out their activities."

Cops Search for Explosives, Evidence

Police raided six homes in Leeds Tuesday searching for explosives and computer files. They arrested a man, identified by the British news agency Press Association as a relative of one of the suspected bombers.

Acting on six warrants, British soldiers blasted their way into an unoccupied Leeds row house. Streets were cordoned off and about 500 people were evacuated. Hours earlier, police searched five homes elsewhere in the city. Police still weren't letting the evacuees return to their homes early Wednesday.

Mohammed Iqbal, a town councilor who represents the City-on-Hunslet section of Leeds, told AP that all of the homes raided belong to "British citizens of Pakistani origin."

Three of the homes were in the neighborhood he represents, Iqbal said in a phone call with AP's office in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. He said he had just met with police about the investigation.

"This is not good for Muslims," Iqbal said. "We have businesses here. There will be a backlash."

Did Bomber Blunder?

One of the suspects had been reported missing by his family at 10 p.m. Thursday, and some of his property was found on the double-decker bus in which 13 died, Peter Clarke said.

Some witness accounts suggested the bus bomber may have blundered, blowing up the wrong target and accidentally killing himself. A witness who got off the crowded bus just before it exploded told AP he saw an agitated man in his 20s fiddling anxiously with something in his bag.

"This young guy kept diving into this bag or whatever he had in front of his feet, and it was like he was taking a couple of grapes off a bunch of grapes, both hands were in the bag," said Richard Jones, 61, of Bracknell, west of London. "He must have done that at least every minute if not every 30 seconds."

One theory suggested the attacker may have intended to leave his bomb on the subway but was unable to board because his coconspirators had already shut the system down.

Investigators also found personal documents bearing the names of two of the other men near seats on the Aldgate and Edgware lines. Police did not identify the men.

Leeds, about 185 miles north of London, has a population of about 715,000. About 15 percent of the residents are Muslim, and many come from a tight-knit Pakistani community, mostly from Mirpur, south of Islamabad in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Other pockets of the community are mostly Arab.

Khalid Muneer, 28, a spokesman for the Hyde Park Mosque in Leeds, said the community was surprised by the raids and police claims that the bombers may have come from there.

"That connection would surprise us all, even shock the whole community. We still think it's too early to say," he told AP, adding that Muslims in the area were not opposed to Britain.

"I've seen no calls in this area for jihad against British or American forces. You will not get that sentiment expressed around this mosque."

Profiles of the Suspects

Closed-circuit TV video showed all four men arriving at King's Cross by 8:30 a.m. on Thursday, about 20 minutes before the blasts began, said Peter Clarke, head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch.

U.S. intelligence agencies are checking the names of the London bombers against their databases looking for any U.S. connection, President Bush told chief executives at a private White House meeting Tuesday.

The three suspects appear to have come from a moderately affluent sect of British society. They reportedly rode in a rental car to London, toting military style backpacks. The fourth bomber remains unidentified, but is believed to be from the Luton area northwest of London.

Below are profiles of the bombers from Sky News:

Shehzad Tanweer

Born on Dec. 15, 1982, at St Luke's Maternity Hospital in Bradford, he lived all his life in the Beeston area of Leeds. His father, Mohammed Mumtaz Tanweer, was born in Pakistan and owns a fish and chip shop near their home on Colwyn Road. The family also owns a butcher shop specializing in halal foods for orthodox Muslims.

Neighbors described the 22-year-old Tanweer to local reporters as a "good Muslim" who lived with his parents, younger brother and two sisters in a semi-detached white house. He reportedly attended Wortley High School before attending Leeds Metropolitan University. The sports science graduate was said to have loved cricket.

Tanweer reportedly traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan within the last six months. Sources said there was "strong" forensic evidence linking him to the blast on the Underground train near Aldgate Station.

Hasib Mir Hussain

Hussain's disappearance on the day of the attacks provided one of the vital clues that led police to Leeds yesterday. The 19-year-old was reported missing by his mother at 10.20 p.m. on Thursday after failing to return home from London.

He had told his parents that he was going to the capital on the day of the bombings with friends. Hussain lived with his parents in the Leeds suburb of Holbeck, where a three-story red-bricked terrace house in Colenso Mount was searched.

Hussain is described as one of four children born to factory-worker parents who both emigrated from Pakistan. One neighbor said the family had lived in the house for more than 20 years and Hussain was born in the house. Hussain reportedly attended Matthew Murray High School and apparently became very religious two years ago after a lengthy period of adolescent troublemaking. His driver's license and cash cards were found in the mangled wreckage of the No. 30 bus, which blew up in Tavistock Square and killed 13.

Mohammed Sadique Khan

The third man to be named as a suspect came from Dewsbury in West Yorkshire. Khan is also of Pakistani origin; the 30-year-old was married to a woman named Hasina and the couple had a baby girl who is thought to be about 8 months old.

Khan, 30, originally lived in Beeston but moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury about five months ago. Neighbors say he worked with disabled children while his wife was involved in education. His mother-in-law, Farida Patel, lives with her son, Arshad, nearby, in a house that is also believed to have been raided by police.

Authorities removed a silver Honda Accord from outside of Khan's home yesterday. The property remained clad in scaffolding and white plastic sheeting today. Documents belonging to Khan were found in the debris of the Edgware Road blast.

Britain has produced a handful of would-be bombers over the last five years but, until last Thursday, only one successfully completed a mission. That bomber was Asif Hanif, 21, from London, who walked into Mike's Bar, a blues joint on the seafront at Tel Aviv, in 2003 and blew himself up, killing two musicians and a waitress and injuring more than 40 others. His British accomplice, Omar Khan Sharif, 27, was a father of two from Derby. He went into the bar but failed to detonate his bomb and, after a scuffle, escaped. His decomposed body was found a week later floating in the sea near the bar.

Sky News and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
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