LAR 15 Pistol legal accessories for a newbie.

[Davandron]

I stand corrected on one of my statements; there is a court opinion finding that something which can be readily assembled is the same as assembled.

http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170

In that case, an individual possessed one lower receiver, and two uppers, one of which was a short-barrel. The jury agreed with the government that there was no way to use the short upper except as a short-barreled rifle.

We recognize that Kent argues he had the short-barreled upper receiver unit to use for its parts. However, the Government introduced sufficient evidence to raise an issue for the jury about whether Kent's intent was to use the short-barreled upper receiver unit only for parts or to use the short- barreled upper receiver unit with the lower receiver unit as an AR-15 rifle...In addition, there was no other lower receiver unit found in Kent's apartment to which the short-barreled upper receiver unit could be attached and used to create a legal weapon for purposes of the NFA. Moreover, Kent has never contended that there was a pistol grip or any other piece that he could use to make a legal weapon from this short- barreled upper receiver unit.

 

[BrotherWill]

In that case...

Theres more.

http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F3/175/870/637212/

To me, I think intent was sufficient, but if he wasnt being charged with 5 other crimes and it was only count 3, I dont think it would go very far.

 

[Fleetwood_Captain]

Where do you get the idea of such things being restricted anywhere?

Well Zoogster, seeing that Michigan is a handgun registration state, it wouldn't suprise me if they had other asinine regulations as well. You have to admit, there are some pretty dopey laws that vary from state to state.

An example of such could be how it's illegal to hunt ANY game using a rifle or handgun in Illinois. The use of Buckshot is also illegal. Considering how many deer are taken with rifles, many people in other states likely have no idea their rifle is restricted for hunting here.

My point was that it doesn't hurt to ask if you don't know.

 

[BrotherWill]

Sorry for late response, as I just noticed the question about "why I think such things are restricted". However, to answer the question, its based off me trying to get info from friends who are avid hunters or collect firearms. Here in Michigan its difficult to find ranges that will allow you to shoot assault style weapons. Sure, you can shoot .223 out of a bolt action or semi-auto rifle if it looks like a hunting rifle, but its hard to find ones that will let you fire the exact same round if it looks like an assault rifle.

The good news is that theres an outdoor range that belongs to a local gun club about a mile from my house that allows it. I didnt want to purchase the weapon if I wasnt going to be able to fire it.

Also, judging by the replies here, there are indeed restrictions. For example, the forward grip and the buttstock. You must get an additional stamp to be able to put one on. That by definiton is a restriction. Its not illegal, but they make it more expensive and therefore more difficult.

 

[BrotherWill]

To follow up on my last post, heres an excerpt of Michigan firearms laws I found on the Michgian DNR website (Department of Natural Resources).

750.224 Weapons; manufacture, sale, or possession as felony; exceptions; “muffler” or “silencer” defined.
Sec. 224. (1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess any of the following:
(a) A machine gun or firearm that shoots or is designed to shoot automatically more than 1 shot without manual reloading,
by a single function of the trigger.
(b) A muffler or silencer.
(c) A bomb or bombshell.
(d) A blackjack, slungshot, billy, metallic knuckles, sand club, sand bag, or bludgeon.
(e) A device, weapon, cartridge, container, or contrivance designed to render a person temporarily or permanently disabled
by the ejection, release, or emission of a gas or other substance.
(2) A person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or a
fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.
(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A self-defense spray device as defined in section 224d.
(b) A person manufacturing firearms, explosives, or munitions of war by virtue of a contract with a department of the government
of the United States.
(c) A person licensed by the secretary of the treasury of the United States or the secretary’s delegate to manufacture, sell, or
possess a machine gun, or a device, weapon, cartridge, container, or contrivance described in subsection (1).
(4) As used in this chapter, “muffler” or “silencer” means 1 or more of the following:
(a) A device for muffling, silencing, or deadening the report of a firearm.
(b) A combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a muffler or silencer.
(c) A part, designed or redesigned, and intended only for use in assembling or fabricating a muffler or silencer.
History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931;—CL 1948, 750.224;—Am. 1959, Act 175, Eff. Mar. 19, 1960;—Am. 1978, Act 564, Imd. Eff. Dec. 29,
1978;—Am. 1980, Act 346, Eff. Mar. 31, 1981;—Am. 1990, Act 321, Eff. Mar. 28, 1991;—Am. 1991, Act 33, Imd. Eff. June 10, 1991.
Constitutionality: The Michigan supreme court held that the statute was not unconstitutionally vague as applied to the defendant in People v. Lynch,
410 Mich. 343, 301 N.W.2d 796 (1981).
Former law: See section 3 of Act 372 of 1927, being CL 1929, § 16751; and Act 206 of 1929.

I mention this because I've seen on this forum people who own silencers in particular, and it was mentioned that its legal for them to use them. Here in Michigan, its a felony.