I'm looking into laser sights for ccw and I'm having trouble deciding what type would be better. Crimson trace due to the"auto on" when held it turns on or a manual laser like the rest laserlyte etc. The question is because I hear that using a manual laser can be difficult in stressful defense situation like forgetting to turn on the laser. Is it true?
Laser sight in a high stress self defense situation(auto on or manual)
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Birch Knoll
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Crimson Trace all the way. The last thing I want to do when I'm defending my life is to try to find the little "on" switch.
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JohnBiltz
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Auto on, the less thinking the better.
Dnaltrop
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Auto on, When laying eyes (and muzzle) on the target.
My Newfie can see the evil "red fly" from across the house, attacking the ground and walls like a canine kung-fu master. In the dark, even fairly non-reflective surfaces can glow with a stray beam.
Only experience I have with them (gun specific ones, have other toy lasers
) is my old man's CT on his Bersa, Picked up for cataracts, now fixed through surgery and more a toy than tool again.
Seems to do the job though, good product. I'd prefer an internal spring guide rod one though myself, but I've not researched enough into their durability yet to be sure of the wisdom of those setups.
Besides Crimson Trace is an Oregon company, Send us more money, always appreciated
My Newfie can see the evil "red fly" from across the house, attacking the ground and walls like a canine kung-fu master. In the dark, even fairly non-reflective surfaces can glow with a stray beam.
Only experience I have with them (gun specific ones, have other toy lasers
) is my old man's CT on his Bersa, Picked up for cataracts, now fixed through surgery and more a toy than tool again. Seems to do the job though, good product. I'd prefer an internal spring guide rod one though myself, but I've not researched enough into their durability yet to be sure of the wisdom of those setups.
Besides Crimson Trace is an Oregon company, Send us more money, always appreciated
Dnaltrop
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Feel out some of the Bersa .380s , or a cz-82 in 9x18, the rounds work.
Bersas are sleeper guns, 250-300 range, the CZ's are "collectibles" but reliable tanks for 190-300.
I'm using the M&P .40 myself, but my big hands make the .380s and even the cz not as comfortable... purely my problem though.
Bersas are sleeper guns, 250-300 range, the CZ's are "collectibles" but reliable tanks for 190-300.
I'm using the M&P .40 myself, but my big hands make the .380s and even the cz not as comfortable... purely my problem though.
doc540
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CT on a Ruger LC9 is working very well for me.
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Loosedhorse
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Well, you've caught me.
I've timed myself with snubbies, laser and no laser (laser was faster and more accurate for me--after training). But I've never done any "high stress" (like FOF or competitive shooting) with a laser.
I've timed myself with snubbies, laser and no laser (laser was faster and more accurate for me--after training). But I've never done any "high stress" (like FOF or competitive shooting) with a laser.
Mark, I'm making the expensive move of outfitting all my pistols (or as many as I can) with CT grips. I unquestionably want the ones that illuminate automatically when I grip the gun.
But I have a good news / bad news report. While I much prefer the laserguard that places the laser in front of the trigger guard, I have found that the laser doesn't necessarily self-activate as universally as with the lasergrip version. The lasergrip version places the activation button behind the grip. This illuminates any time I grip the gun. On the laserguard version, however, the activation button resides on the front of the grip. I've had more than one experience when the laserguard did not automatically illuminate when I gripped the pistol. Now I'm really early in my T&E phase on this, so don't rule it out. But I'm in the process of practicing to see if I can count on 100% activation from a normal grip.
But I have a good news / bad news report. While I much prefer the laserguard that places the laser in front of the trigger guard, I have found that the laser doesn't necessarily self-activate as universally as with the lasergrip version. The lasergrip version places the activation button behind the grip. This illuminates any time I grip the gun. On the laserguard version, however, the activation button resides on the front of the grip. I've had more than one experience when the laserguard did not automatically illuminate when I gripped the pistol. Now I'm really early in my T&E phase on this, so don't rule it out. But I'm in the process of practicing to see if I can count on 100% activation from a normal grip.
joehorner
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I personally have a Lazermax on my XD 9 and a CT front activated on my Kimber Pro Carry ll. Both are spot on but in my opinion the CT is better because it is instant on as soon as I grab the grip on the Kimber. The Lazermax you have to activate it by pushing on the small button inside of the take down lever. Both are a good tool but the CT is more instintive to operate and activate.................Joe
thanks for all the replies it seems the consensus is crimson trace for the auto on feature but $300! is crazy I guess I will just stick to what will happen will happen untill I get my forever carry (knock on wood) that I would outfit with a laser http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=756&category=Pistol&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=247
HeadJunter
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I am a big fan of the Crimson Trace grips.
Here's a video of them under fairly challenging conditions.
Here's a video of them under fairly challenging conditions.
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One group did a horrendous torture test to a SIG P220 and they all had the lasermax guiderod installed. At the end of the test that involved running them over with construction equipment, throwing them in mud, even freezing them and the lasers were on when they were frozen too. In the end, only one of them had a cracked lens when frozen but it still was functioning perfectly and the water didn't hurt it. Having one in your carry pistol is perfectly fine.
The glock CT rear actuation is like 180.00. It works great but changes the grip a little so make sure you're okay with that. Instant-on is "where it's at" for a carry ONLY gun.
I didn't like carrying it and couldn't make it work for a bedside gun. Moving through rooms, pieing corners, you have a high likelihood of a laser accidental discharge.
Now I keep my carry gun laserless and keep a TLR2 light and laser on my bedside glock, with a dg style switch. Couldn't be happier with the setup.
I didn't like carrying it and couldn't make it work for a bedside gun. Moving through rooms, pieing corners, you have a high likelihood of a laser accidental discharge.
Now I keep my carry gun laserless and keep a TLR2 light and laser on my bedside glock, with a dg style switch. Couldn't be happier with the setup.
I have purchased all of my CTs from this guy ( Shooters-Resource.com) and have saved everytime. Last one I purchased Example: The LG-431 Laserguard for the Ruger LCP is $158.95 at Shooters Resource. After you complete and send in the Rebate Coupon, you'll get back $50, so the LG-431 will only have cost you $108.95 -- What A Bargain. See Rebate details at Shooters-Resource.com
Do not know if there is a rebate going on now?? But I usually just call him and see what kinda deal he has.
http://click.mymerchantmailer.com/?...92bfe69129d39f7d71895df422a25379a22f441a53320
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=597661
Do not know if there is a rebate going on now?? But I usually just call him and see what kinda deal he has.
http://click.mymerchantmailer.com/?...92bfe69129d39f7d71895df422a25379a22f441a53320
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=597661
Cop Bob
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I have CT's on quite a few pistols, Two years ago, I gave a few as Christmas gifts.......... Crimson Trace is the best way to go... They will hold zero, many others will not...
$300.00? not hardly... Check other sources, Midway, Brownells, Gun Shows, there is a guy out of OKLA that make several shows in south Texas and he always has super deals..Found his card, Best Defense, 405-517-6608, Ed or Jan Moore, out of OKLA City, OK..
CT had a deal not long ago where they would send you free batteries... Great Company... Great Product..
CT has a DVD that is a really good instructional tool "The Art of Survival"... Go to their website and request one.. or call them, they are free...1-800-442-2406
The best thing that I have experienced with Lazers is that on several occasions, they stopped an engagement before it got started... the presence of the the dot seems to inspire moments of mental clarity. not to mention low light use, and as we age, failing eyesight... great tool, can't say enough good about the product...
$300.00? not hardly... Check other sources, Midway, Brownells, Gun Shows, there is a guy out of OKLA that make several shows in south Texas and he always has super deals..Found his card, Best Defense, 405-517-6608, Ed or Jan Moore, out of OKLA City, OK..
CT had a deal not long ago where they would send you free batteries... Great Company... Great Product..
CT has a DVD that is a really good instructional tool "The Art of Survival"... Go to their website and request one.. or call them, they are free...1-800-442-2406
The best thing that I have experienced with Lazers is that on several occasions, they stopped an engagement before it got started... the presence of the the dot seems to inspire moments of mental clarity. not to mention low light use, and as we age, failing eyesight... great tool, can't say enough good about the product...
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