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Lausanne Gunshow (Switzerland)

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  1. Shung

    Shung Member

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    As a friend of mine, from texas, asked me to take some pictures, I thought it would be a good idea to share them here with you !

    As it happends every year in December, la "bourse aux armes de Lausanne" (Lausanne Gunshow) take place in the Palais of Beaulieu, for 3 days !

    I went to the 1st day, and bought a nice , like new SiGP225 for 360$.. I wanted to buy more things this year, but a 800$ order last week for my Mk12 clone ate my budget...

    Here are some pictures of this event

    Yes.. this is a real flame thrower... from the Swiss Army.. legally sold, functionning. no permit required ;)

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    Switzerland, still a country ruled by CITIZENS, no subjects yet... for how long it will last.. I really don't know..
     
  2. Frog48

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    Wow, looks like fun.
     
  3. dbarile

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    That's almost cruel.

    Please post some more.
     
  4. woodfiend

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    You are so lucky to live in Switzerland. The USA is awesome, but dang, I want a Sig 550 series rifle.
     
  5. Shung

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    I can post you some more but tomorrow, Im tired of uploading pics ;)

    and it's 2 am here.. we ended up with 10 more friends in a shooting range, and than a restaurant.. ;)

    ps: SiG's are OK, but I will give you all mine to have the right to carry...

    ps2:my friends beautiful new bought SiG552 !!! (today,)

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    Switzerland, still a country ruled by CITIZENS, no subjects yet... for how long it will last.. I really don't know..
     
  6. Gunnerpalace

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    Pic Six, Lower Right corner:

    Steyr TMP

    Awesome.....:D
     
  7. single stack

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    Nice selection.

    Dealers here are constantly on the phone too.

    Can I assume that the prices are in Euros?
    If a Euro is worth about a Dollar, then are prices a tad high for the American arms shown?

    Just asking.


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  8. Shung

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    no.. they are in Swiss francs..

    today, 1$ = 1.1 swissfranc..

    so you can take 10% off those price to get the same in $$$

    but sure, AR's are damn expensive here...

    The best occasion you can find on a Colt AR-15 is about 1400$ .... all the others new ones(Oberland Arms and SDI) are around 2700$ ...

    but think about that the "average" income here, after taxes and medic universal insurance are taken, is about 3000$..

    And you cannot build your own AR here.. lack of spare parts... because of US ITAR banning all "assault weapons" exportations..
     
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    You owe me a keyboard.

    Or, at least, instructions on how to get the drool out of mine. :D

    Pops
     
  10. MGshaggy

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    Shung -

    I'm jealous. You may not be able to get AR15s but you've got plenty of other cool stuff that we here in the US can't get.

    I'm also very curious; can you explain a little about the regulations/laws regarding full auto weapons? Are full-auto weapons treated just like any other firearm, or are they regulated more strictly like in the US?
     
  11. jpatterson

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    Awesome! I had no idea Switzerland was so cool with firearms.

    I want a flamethrower :evil:
     
  12. Shung

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    don't worry for me.. those are mines ;)

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    I am turning my match HBAR in a Mk12Mod0 clone real soon..
     
  13. harrygunner

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    Thanks for sharing. Cool to see the 1911's

    I've always enjoyed your city. Glad to see you have such freedoms along with the beauty.
     
  14. Shung

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    About full autos.

    They are FORBIDEN... but you can still buy and own them with a special permit/tax of 150$ . For collection and eventual shooting.

    You are legally not allowed to shoot them (not even in semi position) unless you ask for a daily permit, which cost another 100$, each time you do so.

    Actually, they are safe queens. (but ready for the big S hitting the F ;) )

    my M4 Colt (DoD stamped, on a M16A1 lower), the 1st on top, is actually full auto.

    When i want to shoot it, I just use one semi lower with the M4 upper..

    The funny thing is that full auto are often, less exepensive than semi versions... just because people want to shoot freely, and don't want fulls.

    I payed my M4 Colt 1700$, when i paid my Semi M4 SDI clone, 2100$ ...

    my 2 others 20" are semi as well.
     
  15. Ohio Gun Guy

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    nice!

    What are the rules in Switzerland? :scrutiny:(Was die Gesetze in der Schweiz sind?)

    Do they limit:
    1. the number of guns
    2. the type (Semi auto, auto, etc.)
    3. Ammunition/s
     
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    Where are the Beanie baby tables?
     
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    That is awesome. I don't want to derail your thread, Shung, but how exactly do the laws work over there? I tried to read up on it but I was sort of confused. It led to me believe that active or reserve military get to take their rifle home if they want, in semi-auto form, with a set amount of ammunition that you are not allowed to open, although you can purchase ammo at the range and use it up all there.

    How does it work exactly? Can you just purchase a firearm from these shows, and take it home; in other words, is there a "limit" to the number of firearms you can own? Ammunition restrictions? Any special permits?

    Also, are you allowed to use any of your (legal) firearms in self-defense if need be? I understand crime in Switzerland is extremely low, something that may be due to firearm use but I attribute more to you all being so nice over there as a society :D . Anyway, if in the rare case you had to, is it allowed, or frowned upon and viewed as vigilantism as in much of Western Europe?

    Sorry to impose all the questions. I guess it's my way of getting back at you for making me jealous! (just kidding) :neener:
     
  18. Shung

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    first of all, I want to tell you that I already answered all these questions when I joined THR.. but I will do it again, with pleasure :


    Absolutely NO

    Not really. Full autos can be bought and owned, but a bit expensive to legally shoot.

    only handgun deformative bullets are forbidden for civilians (no hollow points or soft points.. )

    No.. Every man, should serve in the Army, from 18 to early 30s (300 days for soldiers, 3 weeks a year).. During all that time you keep all you gear at home in between courses, including your issued SIG550, full auto. You were also issued a box of ammo, sealed, with 50 rounds, that you should have used in case of war only, to reach your unit. This sealed ammo box was taken from me and other soldiers, last year, for BS reasons, after a couple of murders that were commited with those ammuntions. Liberals (greens, socialists, leftiest etc are behind those media campaign, anti guns etc..) .. And this is TOTAL bull**** since we shoot at least twice a year for those who DONT LIKE shooting (the others shoots a lot more), and there you can buy/steal all the ammo you want.. so it's not stopping those crazy murderers if they want to do bad..
    When you reach the 300 days and that you are in the reserve or over with the army, you can keep your service rifle, but you have to pay for a 100$, that will pay for a gunsmith to castrate your full SiG550 to semi only. and it's yours, forever.

    Depends. We are a confederation. In which you have many Cantons (like your states) The Police of some of those cantons are there, and they can do your permit on request (like a background check) which will allow you to buy 3 guns with it (but you can ask for 10 permits at a time or more if you want .. each permit cost 50$) . Inhabitants of Cantons that don't have police services at the gunshow, must ask their permit to their police before the gunshow, but if you come to the gunshow with 2 permits made earlier for example, you can buy 6 guns.. and take them home

    and for 10 years now, and until the 12th of this month (our law change at this date, no more private contracts, i explain what they are just after this), we could sell and buy guns to each others, without any police control or permission. We just had to make a contract in between the seller and the buyer, with names, adresse, guns data and serials, and sign it, and keep a copy of it (We had to ask for an empty crime record of the buyer, if we didnt know this person, just to make sure he was not a felon) so that the police could reach the owner of a gun from going to the 1st to the last owner, just in case of a crme case.

    So even if you had no permit ready, you could just ask a friend with one to buy your gun, and sell it right away to you.

    So yes, you pull out some cash and you go home with your new toy(s) !

    No number limit.. we have some incredible collectors in Switzerland (thousands of guns owned by single collectors, hundreds of full autos, including Minimis, M-60s, I even saw miniguns or m2's...)

    The only things that require special permits and 150$ taxes are full autos, laser sights, Moderators/silencers, and from the 12th (new law coming), grenade launcher as well (until the 12th and for 10 years, M203 and other 40mm were totally free to buy and shoot (if you could find ammo), no permit required)

    You are allowed to use your guns, proportionally to the threat, to defend your integrity or your property.. But unfortunately from 1999, carrying has been banned (for what reasons we still wonder.. our country was safer back then). So this would only apply in home defense situations.

    They (the disarmed populace) sure see gun owners , shooters and collectors as Gunnuts... even in Switzerland.. but who care's !!! we are PROUD of it !

    I hope I answered all of your questions ;)
     
  19. Shung

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    Here is what I only bought today (aside 4 AR 15 colt mags)

    My SIG P225, and a brand new cleaning kit for my friends SIG551, in Tejas !

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    more pics of the SIG (nothing special, but I sold a glock 19 22lr advantage Amrs to buy AR accessories, and I didnt want my gun ratio to drop, so i bought that compact SiG at a cool price. )

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  20. MIgunguy

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    Damn, I wish I had Swiss citizenship and could move there. Or at least a job that required me to be there. Thanks for the pics and info.
     
  21. Brian Dale

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    Yum. :) Thanks for posting so many photographs, Shung.
     
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    so thats where all the EBRs went!
     
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    WOW I got to say I'm jelous

    $1700 for a FA colt, but it cost a $100 permit/daily to shoot.

    Over here that Colt cost 15-20K

    I think I would rather pay $1700 + $100 A FEW days a year to shoot it.
     
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    Awesome. I heard you guys have nuclear shelters in every building, are allowed to buy howitzers, artillery, AA cannon, with a special permit, which is same requirements as handgun permit.

    Damn, i love Switzerland. I heard about how only people with 'assault weapons' could vote at first (back then, it was swords) and how you guys got your independence and nobody wanted to mess with you guys after awhile.

    Quick question, just wondering, can you guys buy modern tanks around there? I understand they would probably be useless in such a mountainous (and beautiful) country, but still
     
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    :eek:

    I'm thinking that I may need to move to Switzerland now:uhoh: I know it's hard but I'm not married yet, maybe I can find a nice Swiss girl to be my wife and that will be my way in:D
     
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