Lawyer Locks on guns....anyone use them?
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Duke of Doubt
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I won't have any.
walker944
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I've got a few that have a built in lock. They don't bother me. I don't use them either. They are just there.
Lone_Gunman
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I will not have any. There is a finite chance they will lock up on you at a critical moment.
BT2Flip
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what is this about ?
I tried Google ....NOTHING !
any pics?
I tried Google ....NOTHING !
any pics?
cslinger
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Do a search for ILS or Smith and Wesson Lock or Hillary Hole. Brew some coffee, settle into a comfy spot and get ready for a long read.
Chris
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I don't worry about mine, tested them once, and turned them back to "hot" mode and left it.
I do shop for guns without them now that I'm more educated thanks to the THR brethren. The locking guns I have were the first handguns I purchased when I just wanted some guns. I have had no issues with them whatsoever and both guns have thousands of rounds through them.
My thinking is this. If you use the lock, a lot, it will wear more, and will have a higher likeliehood of failure.
jeepmor
I do shop for guns without them now that I'm more educated thanks to the THR brethren. The locking guns I have were the first handguns I purchased when I just wanted some guns. I have had no issues with them whatsoever and both guns have thousands of rounds through them.
My thinking is this. If you use the lock, a lot, it will wear more, and will have a higher likeliehood of failure.
jeepmor
TexasRedneck
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Of the 30+ I own, NONE have it. I've passed on some VERY sweet deals because they DID have 'em. The less chance of a FTF, the better in my mind.
Great Scot
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Why is it a "lawyer" lock?
I'm a lawyer and I don't like locks on guns. A bunch of lawyers recently said that the constitution guarantees the right to bear arms.
I'm a lawyer and I don't like locks on guns. A bunch of lawyers recently said that the constitution guarantees the right to bear arms.
TexasRedneck
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Counselor, it's a "Lawyer Lock" because other members of your profession found a new way to sue the evil gun manufacturers, so it was named in their honor by those of us that have to put up with it.
Kinda like all the "safety labels" on 90% of the stuff nowadays.
Kinda like all the "safety labels" on 90% of the stuff nowadays.
chris in va
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Pulled off Google.
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TexasRedneck: "Counselor, it's a "Lawyer Lock" because other members of your profession found a new way to sue the evil gun manufacturers, so it was named in their honor by those of us that have to put up with it.
Kinda like all the "safety labels" on 90% of the stuff nowadays."
Don't blame us; blame the liability insurance company executives.
Kinda like all the "safety labels" on 90% of the stuff nowadays."
Don't blame us; blame the liability insurance company executives.
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Chris in va, that photo should have a big, red "FAIL" and a red arrow pointing at the hole, and be featured on a certain (in)famous blog.
Great Scot
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Not trying to stir the pot but..
..there are all kinds of lawyers in this world. I would guess that the NRA has a healthy staff of "counselors" working for us, all of us. And the Duke is right, blame an insurance executive before you point at the "sharks".
..there are all kinds of lawyers in this world. I would guess that the NRA has a healthy staff of "counselors" working for us, all of us. And the Duke is right, blame an insurance executive before you point at the "sharks".
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I have several taurus handguns, each of them(with the exception of my 608, has the optional built in lock, as does my walter p-22, and my steyr m9-a1, it is a good feature to have if I ever decide to store my guns away and dont want something to happen (not that I would store them loaded anyway, but still, you never know). I may never use them, but they arent hurting anything at all being there...
earlthegoat2
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The US and their tort law system on steroids.
ComradeBurg
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I won't have them on any gun that I carry with me. But if it's a gun I just have for shooting then I'm willing to get a gun with one if there is no other option.
mikebnem
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Does not bother me at all......
Sam1911
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I'm surprised that no-one's mentioned this, but most, if not all, of these systems are completely removable or disable-able.
Springfield's ILS system on their 1911s, can be ditched by changing the internals of the mainspring housing for under $10.
S&W's lock can be rendered un-lockable by removing one tiny piece.
Not sure about Ruger's, Taurus', or others, but I'd bet the same holds true.
If you refuse to buy as a kind of persoanl boycott of the idea, that's fine, I guess, and you should always stick to your principles if it doesn't inconvenience you in some way, or cost you anything.
If you're seriously worrying about the failure of the lock in a self-defense emergency, take the 5 minutes to remove it!
And if someone claims that your justifiable homicide will turn into a murder rap because the prosecutor will show that, since you disabled the internal lock on your gun you obviously set out with the intent to kill someone, please smack them because that is dumb.
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Springfield's ILS system on their 1911s, can be ditched by changing the internals of the mainspring housing for under $10.
S&W's lock can be rendered un-lockable by removing one tiny piece.
Not sure about Ruger's, Taurus', or others, but I'd bet the same holds true.
If you refuse to buy as a kind of persoanl boycott of the idea, that's fine, I guess, and you should always stick to your principles if it doesn't inconvenience you in some way, or cost you anything.
If you're seriously worrying about the failure of the lock in a self-defense emergency, take the 5 minutes to remove it!
And if someone claims that your justifiable homicide will turn into a murder rap because the prosecutor will show that, since you disabled the internal lock on your gun you obviously set out with the intent to kill someone, please smack them because that is dumb.
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I don't own any. I WOULDN'T own any S&W with one because their design is defective. Any handgun I own, other than bullseye wadcutter guns, has at least a secondary self-defense purpose. I will NEVER trust my life to an S&W with the current lock.
jackstinson
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I have one gun with a lock. I tested it, then left it unlocked.`
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