Lcp 1 gen 2

[milemaker13]

I've been considering a smaller ccw and my attention has been drawn to the .380 pistols due to recent threads here.
The LCP seems to be a solid pistol based on popular opinions. Some say the LCP II is a better gun with a lighter trigger but others disagree with the lighter trigger for a tiny carry gun.. I tend to agree with that (currently carry kahr cw9).
Reviews say the second generation of the orignal LCP is prefered over gen 1.
What can you all say about gen 1 vs gen 2 of the original LCP.... and vs the LCP II?

 

[Fiv3r]

I had the original lcp years ago. Solid little shooter with a LONNNG trigger. Great for pocket carry, though.

I've been through 5 or 6 pocket. 380s. Currently I have settled in the LCP II. I find the more shootable shorter trigger a benefit over the longer heavier one. I appreciate the safety of the long trigger, but I shoot circles around my old groupings with II.

 

[tactikel]

I have an LCP gen 2 and love it. I WANT a heavy trigger pull on a weapon without a manual safety. IMHO sights mean little, it is a 100% defensive weapon, shots will be under 21 feet, you look center mass and and shoot until the threat is stopped. I have 5 hand guns, I carry the LCP 80% of the time.

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

They both are diminutive pistols if you have large hands, I have the gen 2 original LCP in FDE, it would jam every couple of rounds Ruger had to replace the upper slide assembly. It has been reliable since. I regulate it to a backup and nothing more. I bought a j frame to replace it

 

[milemaker13]

How do you like carrying the j frame? What model? What holster / position? I would consider one for carry, but I'm unsure if the added width of the cylinder would be an issue.

 

[1KPerDay]

I would go original LCP gen 2 for the better sights. The original is a better defensive trigger.

I pocket carried a J frame for a couple of years and the LCP is MUCH smaller in the pocket.

 

[Armored farmer]

Original LCP with extended magazine is pretty good medicine for $170.00.

 

[Varminterror]

The Gen 2 LCP with a hogue wrap is the best of the fleet. Nothing wrong with the LCP II, but the trigger isn’t THAT much better, and sights aren’t better.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

If given a choice Get the Gen 2. Nice smooth double action at about 6-7 lbs of pull similar to your Kahr. Just curious, why would you want a LCP given the fact that you have the much nicer Kahr? I do not like the LCPll trigger at all for carry.
Even the original trigger was fine other than being too long, That said, I adapted to it, and shot it very well. The Gen 2 is a cross between the two other triggers.
You have to ask yourself. Why are they still Manufacturing the Gen 2 even so many years after the new LCP ll came out?

 

[Varminterror]

Why did Ruger make p89’s for FOREVER after releasing at least two replacement models?

Because they’re selling well. Competing with yourself is profitable sometimes.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Why did Ruger make p89’s for FOREVER after releasing at least two replacement models?

Because they’re selling well. Competing with yourself is profitable sometimes.

Never had a P89 so could not tell you.Have owned the LCP original, a about three of the Gen 2's. Will not own the LCPll. I know many LCP fans that fill the same way. Yes, I would say competing with yourself is profitable especially in this case, where they would actually loose business with the new Model only.
And I think if they did not, then many Fans of the Gen 2 would just go right over to Kel-tec for a similar pistol.

 

[bannockburn]

milemaker13

I carry a J frame S&W (Model 649 or 638), and while it is slightly wider than my other carry gun (Kahr CM9), it's just as easy and comfortable to carry it concealed. I like the DeSantis SOF-TUCK IWB holster at a 4:00 to 5:00 position on my belt.

 

[Tallball]

I guess my P3AT was pretty much like an LCP gen 1? I had it for four or five years. The trigger wasn't great, but I learned to shoot it pretty well. After I gave it to my FiL, I shot or at least handled pretty much all of the micro 380's and the LCPII was the clear winner for me. I can shoot it so much better than any of the others that it's the one I carry when I carry a micro 380.

 

[jar]

Of the four (actually five but I have two of one model) small pocket pistols I own similar in size to the LCP I find the Gen 2 LCP to come a very distant sixth. It is simply not in the same class as the others in anyway beyond size.

It lacks sights, lacks a slide stop, lacks a smooth trigger, lacks a reasonable reset (has a weird annoying double reset), lacks a second strike capability, is the most difficult to field strip, has a hard to rack slide (slightly easier than the S&W M&P Bodyguard but just slightly) ...

It mostly works but that is about it, it simply has absolutely no redeeming features.

Today there are simply a whole host of pocket size 380s you can choose from so try to fondle as many as you can before deciding.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Of the four (actually five but I have two of one model) small pocket pistols I own similar in size to the LCP I find the Gen 2 LCP to come a very distant sixth. It is simply not in the same class as the others in anyway beyond size.

It lacks sights, lacks a slide stop, lacks a smooth trigger, lacks a reasonable reset (has a weird annoying double reset), lacks a second strike capability, is the most difficult to field strip, has a hard to rack slide (slightly easier than the S&W M&P Bodyguard but just slightly) ...

It mostly works but that is about it, it simply has absolutely no redeeming features.

Today there are simply a whole host of pocket size 380s you can choose from so try to fondle as many as you can before deciding.

I agree with a lot of what you said, other than the trigger description. The LCP Gen 2 is a nice trigger. Smooth all the way through, I just put some snap caps in mine and have to say it is the most redeeming feature of the gun. Personally I do not ride a reset on a trigger anyway. Yes there are much better Pocket guns available and for sure much more durable for those of us that shoot them on a regular basis. The trigger of the bunch I like the least is the LCPll. . The long free play feels like the trigger spring is broke. Feel similar to my SR22 which is another trigger I dislike. I found annoying. I have always felt that the trigger on the LCPll was for those that prefer target shooting than fast action point and shoot defense. My favorite is the Pico, deliberate and precise all the way through the pull. I feel in control of the trigger . At 8lbs of pull, may be heavy for some, but for myself, I found it just the right weight especially for carry. I shoot the gun so often that I have come to not even notice the weight. The Kahr also has a nice trigger. Again, like the LCP Gen2.
Just bought the Kel-tec P 32. I have not shot the gun yet, but do not find the trigger objectionable at all. I am sure it will break in very well. Do not remember the triggers of the Kel-tec 380's that I shot years ago.

What Ruger should do IMO, is make a LCP lll, with a Gen 2 trigger, have real sights, and the ability to change out to night sights and make the gun modular with the serial number on the chassis and the ability to change grips if needed. Also make the gun out of stainless steel. Get the ability to have double strike capability.

 

[milemaker13]

Jeb,
Is that the pico pictured with the lcp and cw380? It is nice seeing the cw380 next to these two. They look to be about the same size?
My cw9 is one step up in size. Smaller in 9mm would be cm9. And not much smaller at that.
Ill have to find a cw380 to handle, because ideally I would get another kahr that was smaller enough to notice. I absolutely love my kahr, but at times a smaller gun would be easier to keep concealed.

Also Jeb, you'll have to let us know how the p-32 stacks up against the 3 pictured. I borrowed a friends and liked it size-wise but was less than thrilled when firing it. But I wasn't looking to down size at the time so I kinda brushed it off ya know?

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Jeb,
Is that the pico pictured with the lcp and cw380? It is nice seeing the cw380 next to these two. They look to be about the same size?
My cw9 is one step up in size. Smaller in 9mm would be cm9. And not much smaller at that.
Ill have to find a cw380 to handle, because ideally I would get another kahr that was smaller enough to notice. I absolutely love my kahr, but at times a smaller gun would be easier to keep concealed.

Also Jeb, you'll have to let us know how the p-32 stacks up against the 3 pictured. I borrowed a friends and liked it size-wise but was less than thrilled when firing it. But I wasn't looking to down size at the time so I kinda brushed it off ya know?

Yes, that is one of my two Pico's. The Kahr and the Pico are very similar in size, but the Pico is actually the same width as the my new Kel-tec P32. And although I have not shot the Kel-tec yet, I do have a feeling I will shoot it fairly well as I have so much range time with the Pico; Some say they do not like the textured grip of the Keltec, but I like it. The only con I had against the Pico was it was so streamlined, I needed some kind of traction grip. I ended up doing my own Stippling and love the new feel. I just a few pics of the Pico, Kahr, and Keltec together. Lol, the Pico and Kahr feel big in comparison.You can really see the difference in the beefed up receiver of the other two guns. The Keltec is IMO in a class of it's own, since it weighs only 6.6oz. So far I find it a really cool little pistol.

PS you can also get a idea of Pocket pistols size and weight by going to Genitron. I will post a list later to give some folks a general idea of the differences.

 

[jar]

The only con I had against the Pico was it was so streamlined, I needed some kind of traction grip. I ended up doing my own Stippling and love the new feel.

I slipped on the Pachmayr Nano Grip Glove to my Pico and it adds a slight palmswell as well as some texturing.

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[Jeb Stuart]

Keltec p32 and Pico

 

[jar]

Keltec p32 and Pico
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Can you do a picture of the Pico on the K32? In your image it looks like the Pico may actually be smaller than the K32?

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

They both are diminutive pistols if you have large hands, I have the gen 2 original LCP in FDE, it would jam every couple of rounds Ruger had to replace the upper slide assembly. It has been reliable since. I regulate it to a backup and nothing more. I bought a j frame to replace it View attachment 828951

How do you like carrying the j frame? What model? What holster / position? I would consider one for carry, but I'm unsure if the added width of the cylinder would be an issue.

J frame is carried in a desantis nemesis pocket holster. It is the 642. 1KPerday said the lcp is smaller in the pocket and he's right, but that's also the reason I don't like it. I stand at 6'1 and have pretty large hands, I cannot grip the lcp well at all. It's not the guns fault it's good for people who can hold it. But I can hold a j frame with the right grips well and I can also hold it in a pocket. I don't wear gay skinny jeans so my pockets hold things well. If your going to carry IWB the LCP maybe better for you but for pocket or ankle the j frame or equivalent on the pocket or ankle is to me at least unbeatable

 

[milemaker13]

Jeb,
Based on your pics and comments it seems the kahr cw380 is not much bigger than the p32? Just a bit beefier perhaps?
Thats crazy.. i mean, ive handled & shot the p32 and it is tiny. I think I really need to find a cw380 under glass somewhere and hold it.
How has reliability been with the kahr? I did all the recommended break in stuff and my cw9 has never missed a beat. Its got a weird thing where one mag will drop the slide on a hard reload but its always chambered, lol.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I will post a lot of pictures later. Here is a general idea. Yes the Kahr and Pico are much beefier in the receiver. And the "heigth" is about a 1/2" shorter. But again, the P32 only weighs 6.6z. Later I will break down all three guns and a lcp and show the differences. My Kahr did take some break in time. That really never bothered me. It does have very tight tolerances. Now runs great!




https://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Kahr-Arms/Pistol/CW380/380-Auto/Variant-1

 

[mavracer]

I like my gen 2 much better than the gen 1 I had, while the sights are still diminutive, they are just enough taller to get a good sight picture.
I carry my LC9 or LCR far more than the LCP but the LCP is a nice option when the others are too big.

 

[SteadyD]

My Pico has been more reliable than my CW380, inasmuch as the CW380 is susceptible to limp wristing and the Pico hasn’t been. I shot the CW380 much better though.