LCR - Which caliber??

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As I have mentioned in another thread, .327 to me is a niche cartridge that I would carry for a specific use. I think a .327 is a great trail gun if you want some heat and 6 rounds in a smaller frame.

I look at a .327 as a .32 that can be stoked with some real juice. .32s are fun, though:)

I think I may pick up a 9mm lcr sooner than later. Looks like a fun little blaster that is cheap to feed.
 
Regarding the last few posts...

I checked my local places and not a single box of 327 or any 32 revolver ammo on the shelf. There really only 1 store left to check that has a chance ( the best chance actually).

I'm not opposed to buying ammo online but I don't want to HAVE to buy it online.

I'm going to stick with either 38/357 or the 9mm.


The Charter 9mm .... I was really hot for that when it came out but it seems that overall, it's a bit iffy. And with me not having a revolver in well over 20 yrs, I'm looking for a good DA trigger to help handicap me as much as possible.
 
38/357 here. No complaints. She is snappy with 357. 38s are right pleasant. Hard to go wrong here. Just watch the trigger reset

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I got a chance to handle the LCR, Charter Arms 9mm PITBULL, and the Taurus 905 side by side by side.

There was no doubt that the Ruger LCR had the best DA trigger of the three guns, the Taurus 905 had the worst DA trigger of the 3 guns, the Charter Arms was obviously in the middle.

I've had my 9mm PITBULL for over a year and the trigger has smoothed out some but its still not as good as the LCR right out of the box.
 
.327 isn't too tough to find at this point; there are several available right now on GB for a pretty good price. I think Ruger did another run recently.

I recently got one and shot .32 S&W RN, .32 S&W Long LRN, .32 S&W Long WC, .32 H&R Mag and .85 grin hydra shock, 100 grn Speer Gold Dot, and 130 grn Buffalo Bore. Great fun. Recoil went from slightly more than .22 LR to "Damn!" Love the versatility. It is now my #1 carry gun.



How is the recoil of the 327 compared to that of a 9mm?


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QUOTE: "Have you considered the Charter Arms Pitbull in 9mm? It's a revolver that doesn't require moon clips and is a bit heavier thus tames the recoil and likelihood of crimp jumping."

If you go this route, you can pretty much forget about using conventional speed-loaders-if that's important to you.
 
QUOTE: "Have you considered the Charter Arms Pitbull in 9mm? It's a revolver that doesn't require moon clips and is a bit heavier thus tames the recoil and likelihood of crimp jumping."

If you go this route, you can pretty much forget about using conventional speed-loaders-if that's important to you.
Speed strips are better anyway.
 
I carry two speed strips with the .38 and two moon clips with the 9mm. Guess which is quicker to reload.:)

Note that, at this moment, I'm wearing my LCRX .38. It is so light to carry, it's worth the trade off.
 
QUOTE: "...Speed strips are better anyway..."

Better for what? Certainly not speed. Yeah, the strips are easier to carry concealed but they in no way compare favorably to conventional speed loaders when it comes to, well, speed in reloading a revolver under stress while engaged in a gun fight.
 
In my experience, a .327 Fed Mag shooting .32H&R Mag loads is a great combo and I would not feel underarmed for SD purposes. If you reload, it's even easier to make a load that you can really enjoy and that shoots well in your gun. It's a cheap round to load, too, less than reloading .38spl. If you don't reload, the .38 makes more sense for available and fairly inexpensive ammo, and the 9mm makes even more sense for those purposes if you can avoid the bullet pull scenario.
 
Better for what? Certainly not speed. Yeah, the strips are easier to carry concealed but they in no way compare favorably to conventional speed loaders when it comes to, well, speed in reloading a revolver under stress while engaged in a gun fight.

Statistics say the maximum shots fired in most defensive gunfights is three and most gunfights are over in a matter of seconds...so speedstrips are just a convenient way of carrying extra ammo for any peace of mind it provides. If you get to a point where you need to reload you're probably not going to make it out alive.

I'm amazed to read of the amount of extra magazines some people carry on them. It isn't like NCIS where the gunfight goes on forever and only bad guys that carry machine guns get shot by a fella with a handgun and was hiding behind a car door. It's good entertainment but I don't think it portrays a real world situation.
 
QUOTE: "...Statistics say the maximum shots fired in most defensive gunfights is three and most gunfights are over in a matter of seconds...so speedstrips are just a convenient way of carrying extra ammo for any peace of mind it provides. If you get to a point where you need to reload you're probably not going to make it out alive..."

If you rely on "statistics", why even carry speedstrips? For "peace of mind?" :roll eyes: If you rely on statistics, why even carry a gun? Or have house insurance? Statistically speaking, it's very unlikely that your house will ever catch fire or that you'll ever need to use a gun to defend yourself. Statistically speaking, even most cops have never had to resort to their sidearm to defend themselves. Why do you suppose they carry guns?

Statistics aside, let's consider reality. Realistically speaking, there's no way you can ever rely on statistics to predict reality. To do so is not only foolish but could cost you your life. To follow your logic, "If you get to the point where you need to reload you're probably not going to make it out alive"; you are for certain not going to make it out alive if you need to reload and can't.
 
As the OP, I'm absorbing everyone's input. Thank you.

I'm really not wanting this to turn into a capacity war.

To reiterate, I'm wanting this for just a few reasons.

A traveling gun so I don't have to deal with the issues of unloading for driving and reloading when getting to a hotel. Bullet set back, rotating the round to the bottom of the mag, wife wondering why I'm handling it more than usual etc etc etc .

"I" haven't "owned" my own revolver in about 20 yrs and I'd like to change that.



I've settled on 9mm for my semiautos so my main question has been do I get the LCR in 9mm or 38/357?

I really like the flexibility the 327 offers but, ammo isn't as easily available as the above so it eliminated, unfortunately. I don't want to have to buy it on the net.


I'm poking around for a 9mm or 38/357 and see what kind of deal I can find. What may decide this for me is which good deal comes around 1st.

While crimp creep is a bit of a concern, Imy not seeing failures because of it.
 
The speed loaders(pia to carry and use), moon clips (pia to carry), "speed" strips (fine to carry but pia to use---in reality they're slow strips) being next to useless I would tend to buy 9x19 ONLY if the cylinder can be reloaded by flipping rounds from pistol magazine. The only true reload solution is to carry two revolvers which for some stupid hard to fathom reason is sometimes called "NY reload". Since he already owns 9x19 pistols the choice is obvious and simple.


I don't find carrying a speedloader on my pocket difficult or a pita to use. A little practice and you are reloading pretty darn quick.


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I've settled on 9mm for my semiautos so my main question has been do I get the LCR in 9mm or 38/357?

I really like the flexibility the 327 offers but, ammo isn't as easily available as the above so it eliminated, unfortunately. I don't want to have to buy it on the net.


I'm poking around for a 9mm or 38/357 and see what kind of deal I can find. What may decide this for me is which good deal comes around 1st.

While crimp creep is a bit of a concern, Imy not seeing failures because of it.
I understand your disinterest in the .327 even tho I believe it to be a better choice.

I think with how popular and common the .38 LCR is, go with that. You don't have to be dependent on moon clips and you get the option of reloading using speedloaders, strips, or one at a time by hand.

But by all means, get whatever you can actually get and for the best price you can get it for.
 
I understand your disinterest in the .327 even tho I believe it to be a better choice.

I think with how popular and common the .38 LCR is, go with that. You don't have to be dependent on moon clips and you get the option of reloading using speedloaders, strips, or one at a time by hand.

But by all means, get whatever you can actually get and for the best price you can get it for.


If the 327 was 1/5th as common as a 38 I would probably get it as I see it as thee most flexible of them all.


If it wasn't for the fact that the 9mm version works with out moon clips, it wouldn't be quite as appealing.

Around me, the 357 and 9mm are the same price new but the 9 isn't as common. I've found a 357 used with very very low miles (supposedly) for about $90 off the new price out the door.... And it has an upgraded front site.

Now I just need to check it out in person. :eek:

I've been brushing up on how to check out a used revolver... we shall see.
 
Just to be clear the 9mm version isn't dependent on moon clips to fire. You do have to shake the gun to get the empties to fall out without one though. That said moonclips are very cheap. I have piles for both my LCR and 610
 
Any revolver chambered for a semi-auto cartridge can be used without a moonclip - after all, a revolver's chambers are no different than a semi-auto's chamber, there's just more of them. All the moonclip does is provide an easy/faster way to load and extract all the cartridges.
 
Traveling gun

I'm not much of a revolver guy, but here are my thoughts on the matter. Take them for what they're worth, which is probably what you've paid for them.

danez71 (the OP) talked about this being a "traveling gun," and mentioned hotels. So it's a "traveling gun," as opposed to a "camping gun."

danez71, what kinds of trips are we talking about here? IMHO, ammo availability only really becomes an issue if you want to go to the range while on the road. So the duration of your projected trips comes into play here. If you're talking about 2-3 days business trips where you're going to be in meetings from 8 to 5, you're probably not going to the range. If you're loading up a van and touring 4 states over a 6-week period, that's a different story.

With all of that said:
  1. I would expect everybody and his dog to carry 9mm and .38Spl;
  2. The .357 Mag LCR would give you a little extra flexibility, allowing you to practice with .38 and load it with .357 Mags as your carry round. As others have noted, the LCR is a bit brisk with .357s. I would call that an understatement, from what little experience I have with LCRs.
  3. Looking at bulk prices, .38Spl is actually more expensive than 9mm, and more than just a smidge. (This came as a surprise to me.) That said, most folks don't shoot hundreds of rounds at the range through small pistols.

Personally, I'd go with the .357 Mag. I don't know much about the .327 round, and it may be fine, ballistically speaking. But the .357 Mag gives a little more ammo flexibility. (I have a hard time imagining being able to find .357 Mag, but unable to find .38Spl, but I guess it could happen.) The extra weight should help tame a little of the recoil.

Again, worth what you've paid for it.
 
I'm not much of a revolver guy, but here are my thoughts on the matter. Take them for what they're worth, which is probably what you've paid for them.

danez71 (the OP) talked about this being a "traveling gun," and mentioned hotels. So it's a "traveling gun," as opposed to a "camping gun."

danez71, what kinds of trips are we talking about here? IMHO, ammo availability only really becomes an issue if you want to go to the range while on the road. So the duration of your projected trips comes into play here. If you're talking about 2-3 days business trips where you're going to be in meetings from 8 to 5, you're probably not going to the range. If you're loading up a van and touring 4 states over a 6-week period, that's a different story.

With all of that said:
  1. I would expect everybody and his dog to carry 9mm and .38Spl;
  2. The .357 Mag LCR would give you a little extra flexibility, allowing you to practice with .38 and load it with .357 Mags as your carry round. As others have noted, the LCR is a bit brisk with .357s. I would call that an understatement, from what little experience I have with LCRs.
  3. Looking at bulk prices, .38Spl is actually more expensive than 9mm, and more than just a smidge. (This came as a surprise to me.) That said, most folks don't shoot hundreds of rounds at the range through small pistols.

Personally, I'd go with the .357 Mag. I don't know much about the .327 round, and it may be fine, ballistically speaking. But the .357 Mag gives a little more ammo flexibility. (I have a hard time imagining being able to find .357 Mag, but unable to find .38Spl, but I guess it could happen.) The extra weight should help tame a little of the recoil.

Again, worth what you've paid for it.



(Note from the OP/me: If this turns into a 'state bashing fest', I'll ask for it to be closed)


Spats has some good points/questions/statements that I'll address to put into perspective, more.


CA is shoving legislation to ban internet purchase/sale of ammo. Its been vetoed before (just a couple years ago) but there is no guarantee it will be again. I will be in CA for at least another 5 yrs before going back to AZ due to family reasons.

As much as I like the idea of the 327, its a 'No-Go' right now because its not on the shelf around me.



Regarding 'traveling gun' - I frequently go on 2-3 day trips to a little mountain community/ski resort (Frank probably knows it/about it) as well as other trips. CA is an 'unloaded and locked while driving' state. I don't leave the gun in the hotel room (more like a group of small cabins). With dinners and breakfasts etc on a weekend trip with the wife, I'm unloading/reloading around 5 time or more.

Camping and woods (desert) activities - Id still mainly use my semi's and the LCR would be brought for fun and practice.




I acknowledge the crimp jump potential but I'm still not seeing failures. The overwhelming reports of crimp jump are really that the bullet creeps out just a bit (doesn't fall out). That's why I've been sometimes calling it 'crimp creep'.


The worst Ive seen in terms of 'failures' is 1 obvious staged event on you tube, 1 report on some forum that was light on details, and the next worse was a ricochet and light sound that was attributed to crimp creep but could have also been a bad round from the factory. We've all seen report of squibs from factory ammo.

Given how much people like to inflate problems on the 'net,,,,, actual accounts of failures must not be happening and crimp creep is being analyzed to the 'Nth degree. And you know that most of the rounds fired out of these are bulk-mart ammo.

Ive rationalized it to something that I should be aware of but not overly concerned with. I'll make sure the defense ammo for traveling isn't a problem and shoot bulk-mart ammo for fun.



I asked before, if someone can point me to believable reports of "failures" from crimp jump in 9mm LCR's, Id surely appreciate it.




Since my centerfire handguns are 9mm, the appeal of a 9mm revolver makes sense .

The equally ubiquitous 38 would require keeping another stash of reserve ammo, albeit, of lessor quantity. That's not something I'm eager to do. And of course I'll want to shoot it so that means replenishing 2 calibers instead of one. (Ill probably only buy 1 or 2 boxes of 357 in its/my life and just shoot 38's.)




Thanks to THR members and their thoughtful posts, Ive rationalized that, for me, the negatives of each choice are about equal. The mind is a wacky thing....
 
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The equally ubiquitous 38 would require keeping another stash of reserve ammo, albeit, of lessor quantity. That's not something I'm eager to do.
This is certainly a valid consideration. Frankly, I don't have that many guns, but one of the reasons that I stick with "standard" calibers is to limit the number of different calibers that I have to stock, and reload (when I finally get to that). I do, however, recognize that there's some validity in the argument that having a second caliber increases the likelihood that any given gun store will have at least one of the two calibers on hand.

danez71 said:
Regarding 'traveling gun' - I frequently go on 2-3 day trips to a little mountain community/ski resort (Frank probably knows it/about it) as well as other trips. CA is an 'unloaded and locked while driving' state. I don't leave the gun in the hotel room (more like a group of small cabins). With dinners and breakfasts etc on a weekend trip with the wife, I'm unloading/reloading around 5 time or more.
Hmmm . . . Do you go shooting at the resort? Or on the way? Is there any reason to think that you'll need range ammo on these trips?
 
lcr 22lr. i had the lcr in 22wmr and 38, both gone now. 22wmr only 6 shots, very flashy and loud, short barrel means subprime ballistics. 38 very snappy, (im recoil sensitive, if too snappy i won't practice and any unpracticed piece is not worth carrying).

i sometimes ccw my lcr 22lr. i consistently shoot 8 yellowjackets to ventilate 3" of bundled magazines in a center mass 2" group at 10'. consistent hits with a small caliber trump misses with larger calibers every time.


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This is certainly a valid consideration. Frankly, I don't have that many guns, but one of the reasons that I stick with "standard" calibers is to limit the number of different calibers that I have to stock, and reload (when I finally get to that). I do, however, recognize that there's some validity in the argument that having a second caliber increases the likelihood that any given gun store will have at least one of the two calibers on hand.


Hmmm . . . Do you go shooting at the resort? Or on the way? Is there any reason to think that you'll need range ammo on these trips?


That 1st part sounds just like me.


In regards to the 2nd part..... Realistically, No. I normally would bring my M&P9c with 1 extra mag (it fits the lock box well).

The opportunity is there for it but these just weekend trips with the wife and maybe bring the 4 legged kids. (We're 'empty nesters' now). She isn't 'into' shooting so if I did, I would limit it to 1hr, maybe 2 hrs MAX.



But that's a lawyer-ish leading type question ;) and I'm wondering where youre going with that..?


Please... lead away. You may make me realize something.
 
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