Lead Tainted Venison Not Fit For a Food Shelf
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Koos Custodiet
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You like guns, don't you? There, clear proof, your brain has turned to mush.
(I guess what I'm trying to say is, they've tried us all already, and we're guilty of whatever they want us to be... sheesh, they're nuts
eastwood44mag
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I've eaten more lead than probably 90% of the country, and it hasn't hurt me any, aside from some tooth aches at the time.
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wow so even the parts of the animal that made no contact with the bullet are still tainted?
thats some great logic
thats some great logic
icebones
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this my friends, is the finest example of BULLSH**
i would bet my bottom dollar that his article was make up by some antigun, antihunting, PETA or someone else.
so these people would rather let humans starve and go hungry that sit down and have a nice grilled backstrap?
lead is too soft to fragment into tiny pieces that are too small to see, like those people talked about.
now if bullets were made of something harder (like glass), i would be worried about finding microscopic fragments in food.
okay, if Mr scientist, you want me to stop using lead based bullets, you can buy me solid copper rounds, and i will gradly use them
even then, you probably get more lead from tap water than you will ever get from eating "so called" tainted meat.
no paintballdude902, dont worry about it...
has anyone ever though of personally getting a sample of venison from their freezer and having it tested for lead?
i would bet my bottom dollar that his article was make up by some antigun, antihunting, PETA or someone else.
so these people would rather let humans starve and go hungry that sit down and have a nice grilled backstrap?
lead is too soft to fragment into tiny pieces that are too small to see, like those people talked about.
now if bullets were made of something harder (like glass
), i would be worried about finding microscopic fragments in food.okay, if Mr scientist, you want me to stop using lead based bullets, you can buy me solid copper rounds, and i will gradly use them
even then, you probably get more lead from tap water than you will ever get from eating "so called" tainted meat.
no paintballdude902, dont worry about it...
has anyone ever though of personally getting a sample of venison from their freezer and having it tested for lead?
Bartkowski
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If thats the case, how the hell have we all survived without problems? And the generations before us that relied on hunting for food?
HankB
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No need to over-analyze this - it's pretty simple, really.
Sportsmen Against Hunger and similar programs generate good publicity for hunters.
Animal rights fanatics don't like that.
So . . . make something up to demonize those evil, bad, hunters.
Sportsmen Against Hunger and similar programs generate good publicity for hunters.
Animal rights fanatics don't like that.
So . . . make something up to demonize those evil, bad, hunters.
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It's just sad to see so much perfectly good game meat go to waste... I wish they'd give me the option of taking some!
Ha! I seem to recall doing to same thing in some pheasant one time!
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Ha! I seem to recall doing to same thing in some pheasant one time!
Please guys, don't make fun. I'm here dying of lead poisoning and all I want is one more of my favorite meal, fried bloodshot rib meat. 
That's a little different than the article's clever "physician and hunter" description of Cornatzer. It worked for Cali, it worked with DDT, so now we are going to ban guns and hunting with "It's for the falcons" lead control BS. If that craptastic science was real you figure the vultures would have been extripated from the east following the Civil War and its giant lead tainted feast.
That's a little different than the article's clever "physician and hunter" description of Cornatzer. It worked for Cali, it worked with DDT, so now we are going to ban guns and hunting with "It's for the falcons" lead control BS. If that craptastic science was real you figure the vultures would have been extripated from the east following the Civil War and its giant lead tainted feast.
Carl N. Brown
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In cleaning wild game, Dad and I cut away the parts mushed by the bullet wound channel; most deer are shot with rifles and any contaminated flesh ought to be already trimmed away. Sounds chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling to me.
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Savage3006
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The questions to ask are where is the lead coming from and where is the lead found in the meat. For example in ME, we cannot consume the Moose liver because they accumulate heavy metal like cadmium but that comes from the environment.
It is hard to believe that a bullet in a deer chest will leak enough lead in the 20 seconds the deer is alive to contaminate the meat.
The alternative is to buy steaks at the local supermarket ... and we know what can be found in that stuff!
To me it looks like it is a scare tactic from people having an agenda (copper bullet manufacturers, antis, ?)
It is hard to believe that a bullet in a deer chest will leak enough lead in the 20 seconds the deer is alive to contaminate the meat.
The alternative is to buy steaks at the local supermarket ... and we know what can be found in that stuff!
To me it looks like it is a scare tactic from people having an agenda (copper bullet manufacturers, antis, ?)
Carl N. Brown
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Lead Tainted Venison Not Fit For a Food Shelf
but funny it was fit to nourish generations of American Indians and white frontiersmen.
but funny it was fit to nourish generations of American Indians and white frontiersmen.
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I emailed, and got a good response.
There have been postive tests for lead. In ground venison. No real details, but from the phrasing, it seems as though those who actually do the final butchering don't do a clean job of removal of the shot-path meat, and grind up all of it. Sausage? Dunno. I asked for more info.
There have been postive tests for lead. In ground venison. No real details, but from the phrasing, it seems as though those who actually do the final butchering don't do a clean job of removal of the shot-path meat, and grind up all of it. Sausage? Dunno. I asked for more info.
Good chance it was boned as fast and easy as possible, thrown into a grinder and not checked for any bullets or shotgun pellets left behind.
I donno about copper but there is a good chance a professional grinder would eat lead pellets, tainting a lot of meat if tested
Easy to understand if you figure the butcher might just be being paid so much for each deer or pound coming out of the grinder. A critter could be boned and things missed real easy.
I donno about copper but there is a good chance a professional grinder would eat lead pellets, tainting a lot of meat if tested
Easy to understand if you figure the butcher might just be being paid so much for each deer or pound coming out of the grinder. A critter could be boned and things missed real easy.
boggyboy72
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Just Antis tryin to kill any good PR for hunters.Nevermind the food taken from hungery peoples mouths.
Carl N. Brown
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If a processor is sloppy and unsafe in handling game meat, well ... ee-yew.
The real problem there is not the source of the meat. Of course, the government answer does not address the real problem.
The real problem there is not the source of the meat. Of course, the government answer does not address the real problem.
22-rimfire
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And they talk about the world food supplies.... this is pretty ridiculous. The anti-hunting groups, Greenspeace and others are some of our worst enemies. I doubt there would be many people who would turn down some venision that are starving.
My favorite "lead story" is eating a beef steak at a restaurant (Sizziller or somthing). Found like 10 lead shot (BB's) in my steak and have always wondered how on earth these got there since steaks are not cut parallel to the exterior of the animal. I was definitely "spitting lead" that day.
My favorite "lead story" is eating a beef steak at a restaurant (Sizziller or somthing). Found like 10 lead shot (BB's) in my steak and have always wondered how on earth these got there since steaks are not cut parallel to the exterior of the animal. I was definitely "spitting lead" that day.
243_shooter
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Dr. Cornatzer is described as a "Dermatologist, Falconer, and Conservationist" according to the Perigrine Fund website
I'm sure his personal agenda had nothing at all to do with the results..
It's really a shame to toss all that meat when people are going hungry..
Leo
I'm sure his personal agenda had nothing at all to do with the results..
It's really a shame to toss all that meat when people are going hungry..
Leo
jedwi
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A CT scan will not determine lead content......What hogwash....
Update!
According to a brief article in the June 2008 American Hunter, Iowa, after putting it's venison donation on hold as a result of Cornatzer's "study" recently completed a scientific study and found that "donated venison poses no health risks".
Dr. William Cornatzer is "an outspoken critic of lead ammo and a member of the Peregrine Fund, an organization supportive of California's ban on lead ammo."
According to the article, Cornatzer's "study" resulted in 4,000 to 5,000 pounds of donated venison being discarded in North Dakota. Venison that was slated to go to needy families. If I shoot a deer and discard the meat to rot, I would be charged with a crime. Dr. Cornatzer's politically motivated shenanigans resulted in the meat from many deer being discarded, to say nothing of the fact that the needy families who would have gotten the meat were essentially robbed of a high-protein food source.
According to a brief article in the June 2008 American Hunter, Iowa, after putting it's venison donation on hold as a result of Cornatzer's "study" recently completed a scientific study and found that "donated venison poses no health risks".
Dr. William Cornatzer is "an outspoken critic of lead ammo and a member of the Peregrine Fund, an organization supportive of California's ban on lead ammo."
According to the article, Cornatzer's "study" resulted in 4,000 to 5,000 pounds of donated venison being discarded in North Dakota. Venison that was slated to go to needy families. If I shoot a deer and discard the meat to rot, I would be charged with a crime. Dr. Cornatzer's politically motivated shenanigans resulted in the meat from many deer being discarded, to say nothing of the fact that the needy families who would have gotten the meat were essentially robbed of a high-protein food source.
Beagle-zebub
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That's an interesting point, but I think an even better example would be the buffalo extermination of the post-war period. They put countless tons of lead into those animals, and then left the skinned carcasses in the field for whatever came along. That was softer, unjacketed lead use, too, and in big 405gr. projectiles.
But yeah, I'd rather starve than eat meat that has a negligible chance of giving me non-lethal poisoning.
The real kicker to all this is that food companies recently had a dramatic decline in the number of damaged cans they produce, translating into historic shortages at these same food shelves.
Frog48
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I'd rather be fat and happy with minimal odds of lead poisoning than dying of hunger.
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