Lee load master?????

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I think that's why free markets exist, 45auto. If you DO have some mechanical inclinations and are willing to spend them getting and keeping your press running, then you can get your gear for half price (or have twice as much of it.) If you are not mechanically inclined, or just don't want to mess with the tools as much, then it costs more. Customer's choice.

Obviously the market is big enough to support both business models.
 
I don't know guys. I had a first generation loadmaster, and it worked just fine. It bundied a few primer feeds, but to me the greatest pain in the ... well you know... was emptying the spent primers from the ram.

I loaded great ammo on that press. It was problemmatic at times.

Not that it is even close to the same thing, but now I use the Dillon Super 1050, and once it is properly adjusted, it just rolls along without issue. It is much more expensive than the Lee, and it too requires TLC, but it doesn't seem to get out of adjustment, once the adjustments are made.

My buddy has a RL650, and it too is an outstanding press.
 
Regarding the primer tray wire: Is that designed to go at the junction of the primer chute and tray to hold it together? Or is that to hold the lid securely on the primer tray itself? I didn't recieve a wire with mine (puchased in Feb) and the tray lid is held on with a plastic tab that you have to bend gently out of the way in order to unlock it from the tray.

Also, for 40cal loaders, what height do you set the case feeder at? I have an issue with tipping when there is more than 3/4 of a tube of cases. I can largely prevent this by slow-stroking the arm, but it can be annoying. It seems the case mouths get caught on the next case's rim. I am currently using a small feeder ram with the large feeder.
 
I think that's why free markets exist, 45auto. If you DO have some mechanical inclinations and are willing to spend them getting and keeping your press running, then you can get your gear for half price (or have twice as much of it.) If you are not mechanically inclined, or just don't want to mess with the tools as much, then it costs more. Customer's choice.

I agree, "caveat emptor" I guess. But, your not going to read that on Lee's website.

Normally, I wouldn't bother to comment on a product like this because the consistant reviews are so poor, except I think it has potential. Seating the primer on the downstroke and the filling of primers could be a "faster" system than what most offer. But, it has to work.

I am mechanically inclined, but wouldn't "put up" with the type of frustration I read about...meaning it's too much money to experiment with even though it's "cheaper" then other machines. I think they should spend money to make it "right", charge more for this particular machine and still be a "value"...IMHO.
 
Stubbicatt, I've always sort of drooled over the idea of having a 1050, although at $290 for each extra caliber I'd have to put almost $1500 EXTRA in it before I could equal what I can do with my Loadmaster - and it still wouldn't load the 45 Auto Rim that I prefer to use in my S&W 1917, or 9mm Makarov which I'm shooting more and more of.

I also have the impression that changing calibers on a 1050 is a nontrivial exercise. You don't just casually pop off the 9mm Luger gear and drop in a Makarov head or a 380 head and shell plate, something that takes two minutes at most on a Loadmaster. A worst case Loadmaster change, say 9mm to 44 Magnum, that takes a different caliber toolhead and shell plate, small to large primer feeder swap, and short to long case pusher and case feeder adjustment, is still only about a 10 minute job assuming you have a spare case feeder ($17) properly set up for height and ready to bolt on.

But for pure output, I gather that the 1050 is about as deluxe as it gets, short of the motorized, small commercial machines that ONLY load one caliber, but do it really fast.
 
Also, for 40cal loaders, what height do you set the case feeder at? I have an issue with tipping when there is more than 3/4 of a tube of cases. I can largely prevent this by slow-stroking the arm, but it can be annoying. It seems the case mouths get caught on the next case's rim. I am currently using a small feeder ram with the large feeder.

I've only loaded about 500 rounds on my Loadmaster, and so far its been pretty good experience other than the crank slider broke first time I raised the ram. Lee sent a replacement quickly, but while I was waiting I loaded a couple of hundred working the case feed slider manually which gave me good opportunity to tweak its adjustment.

May seem like a flip answer but the height is right when the cases don't tip, as low as possible for the tallest brass to clear is about right. Remember unless you are using virgin brass neither the Dillon or Lee case feeder will be as reliable as your firearm. Loaded 200 .45 on the XL650 and 200 .40S&W on the Loadmaster this afternoon and with my range brass had the same number of case feed failures with each (three if I remember right) tipped with the Lee, hung on the red drop bushing with the Dillon. Both are easy to clear and recover.

About 10 primers escaped the Dillon catch tray to be swept up afterwards, None escaped from the Loadmaster.

Lee primer feed has been perfect so far, but I think the Lee setup would be much more hassle to clear than the Dillon should a WinNT small primer .45 case get in with your brass -- part of the reason I gave it a try as it was to be dedicated to loading small primers. Although if Winchester get malicions and makes a LP .40S&W case I may find out :(

I find both presses need a different force curves during the handle stokes which slowed me down the first few rounds aftet the switch, but its no biggie and might help prevent RSI :)


But for pure output, I gather that the 1050 is about as deluxe as it gets, short of the motorized, small commercial machines that ONLY load one caliber
If I had he 1050 and the Kiss bullet feeder I'd find it impossible to not try and hook up hydraulics or a motor to work the press handle while I simply pour in cases, bullets, powder and primers :)


As for the collator usage: If one follows Lee's newest usage instructions--e.g., only dump in twelve or so at a time, with your fingers in the holes
I grap a hand full of cases and slap them in the side of the collator as If I was starting the ball on a roulette wheel and shake the tube assembly in a small circular motion. So far I've had perfect function with .40S&W cases filling the tubes. Takes me about 7 or 8 handfulls.

--wally.
 
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Regarding the primer tray wire: Is that designed to go at the junction of the primer chute and tray to hold it together? Or is that to hold the lid securely on the primer tray itself? I didn't recieve a wire with mine (puchased in Feb) and the tray lid is held on with a plastic tab that you have to bend gently out of the way in order to unlock it from the tray.

FieroCDSP, after I saw it mentioned earlier in the post, I went and had a look at my Loadmaster too, 'cause I couldn't remember ever seeing a wire on the primer tray. There's definitely no wire on mine either, and I bought it this past March. Although in one picture on the instructions it's mentioned, no other references are made in the written instructions.

My tray lid is held on exactly the same way you describe... I wonder if Lee made a change at some point?

TFC
 
Lee has gone for the simplistic approach since the beginning. I'd imagine the issue with the older plastic trays was brittleness, so a tab like that might have been prone to breakage, hence the wire. With the evolution of plastics, they've found more uses and methods of making them, thus eliminating the wire and simplifying the process. One less piece to get lost. This is by no means the correct answer for the change, but a likely one.

For those interested, I load my tray, place it into the priming assembly, then place the whole thing in the loadmaster after the primers feed down the chute. Replace shellplate and adjust the retainers, and I'm set. I've had no flipped primers this way, though it's not hard to bump the feed arm when inserting the shell-plate, resulting in a primer popping up without a case.
 
So after a week of using this press all I can say is " Im so glad I bought a dillon first" This machine has so many little quirks and adjust this then that. I enjoy reloading and even tinkering but this thing is "HIGH MAINTENCE AND FINIKY" :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
I think I would have quit loading if this were my first machine I spent more time fidiling with this then loading:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:
Those of you love this machine have more time and patience then I do you must be a saint.



NOT WORHT THE $$$ IN MY HUMBLE OPINION
 
"...Those of you love this machine have more time and patience then I do you must be a saint."​

lee n. field, where are you now that hot wheelz really really needs you?

Jim H. says, rubbing his hands gleefully--"I'll give you $65.00 complete for it, but you get to keep the dies--just the machine, accessories, and spare turrets." :D

Think about it, while I am off to Saturday Night Prayers.

Jim H.
 
Hotwheelz

Did you look at any of the Youtube videos about the Loadmaster ?
Between them and some fine folks here and other forums I got mine working great .

For the life of me I can't figure what people need to keep readjusting when its setup right . I would like to Thank everyone for their help and the excellent videos . Without them I surely would have given up also .

Bill
 
bfox,

Yes I watched some of those videos but why should I need them, it took me more time to mount my dillon to my bech then it did to set up and start loading. How many videos are there on u-tube, i didnt see any for the 550b when I searched but Im sure someone will come up with 1 b/c I said that point being that I didnt need it for my dillon. Like you stated you might have quit with out the videos of some other poor sole who fought his way thru all the little problems and relizing others were stuggling felt the need to make a video to help the rest of us out god bless him. Im sure givin another month or 2 I would get used to it and its little problems but I did this as a comparison to my dillon and i cant find one thing the lee does better. So Ill save my pennies and hope for a good christmas bonus and try out a Hornady l-n-l and see what I think of it. Some day I may grow the patience for this kind of thing but it hasnt reached that level yet.
 
hotwheelz: I was teasing you (gently was my intention). I have no room on my bench for another press. Were I interested in buying it, I would be happy to give you the $100.00 plus shipping.

Sorry it didn't work out for you.

Jim H.
 
Intresting comment's from all...Hotwheelz, I've owned and operated a Lee pro 1000 for a lot of years and tested a Lee Load Master before I purchased my Dillon 550B. I don't regret the time spent with the Lp1K but realized I didn't have it in me to get and keep Load Master up and running.
I will say though that it can be done and is less expensive, as well as fast when everythings running smoothly. Since you already have your LM I suggest you back up and regroup. View the You Tube video's while you study the press and manual. Then tear the press down, clean it and lube it and put it back together.
At this point you should have a clear understanding as to how it should move and opperate. Try running it again for short periods of time until you feel comfortable, then try a longer run. You'll be able to decide to either keep the press or sell it by this point, but in essessence don't give in to soon.
cw
 
cw,
Im not looking to replace my dillon, unless I come across something that blows it out of the water. This was just a test, comparison whatever you want to call it. I agree that buying the lee press and extra parts is "cheaper" then a dillon, but at what expense? Time and easy of use. There may be away to make this machine run better it seems alot of folks have done so and wouldnt change out to another for the same price. I started reloading to be able to make the best possible ammo for a better price, as much as i enjoy reloading I enjoy using my ammo more so more time loading = less time shooting. There are alot of post here on the highroad about this press is better then that one. I just wanted to try some diff. ones out and be able to compare these machines with hands on opinion rather then play the "dillon" "lee" hornady" only game if I put time in behind all of them I understand better what they are capable of. You maybe right I will pull it all down and clean then give it some more time . I have spent hours over the last week trying to get this lee working and my fustration is at a high point. But when the day is done its just one more opinion and we all know what there like @$$holes and we all have one this is just mine:D
 
Hotwheelz

I totally agree with you . I guess it is cheaper for Lee to send the press as it is . Like I said sure am Grateful for all the help from the internet !

Only Dillon I have now is the SDB , its okay .
Like you said I would like to try some others especially the 650 and the LNL .

Good Luck with yours , Bill
 
I loaded about 700-800 last night with no problems. I didn't care for the case feeder and found that the lubricant from it seemed to end up in my primer mechanism. I took it all off and place the cases directly into the shellplate now.

LMs can be a pain in the neck if something isn't installed or adjusted right, but if you get it set up right they are pretty darned sweet. It takes less than a minute to refill the primer tray. Other than pouring more powder in the measure it's pretty much a non stop affair.

The large primers don't want to feed down the tube sometimes, I tap the primer tray when the ram is at the top - which is also where I stop the press anytime I need to stop - that way you can't lose your place... and the primer isn't sitting on top of the primer rod where it can get shaken around when shaking the tray.

I did the separate depriming and resizing for a while, but I do both in station 1 now and it works very well.

I am loading 2,000 rounds of .45 ACP. Even with the higher lead prices I'm saving enough with just this batch to pay for the press.


Dillons are for people with more dollars than sense. :)
 
OK its gone now another week of b/s dealing with this machine. After watching videos on u-tube and complete disassembly cleaning, I lubed all the spots from the video and the manual still would not funtion reliably. Think about it if this machine cant load ammo reliably your taking your chances at the range NOT ME. I appeciate all your input and advise but I can honestly say I gave it a fair try and Im so looking forward to it leaving. Onto the next test. Hornady lnl, rcbs 2000, dillon 650??????
 
The adjustable charge bar doesn't work well with light loads - it's simply a matter of the shape of the opening. The opening is wide in one direction (the non adjustable direction) so it must be pretty narrow in the other direction. You are better off using the disks for light loads.
 
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