Lee Ram Prime?

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I have been researching priming options - I'm not thrilled about universal priming arms (I have an RCBS press) or any of the hand priming tools I have seen and used with the exception of the Sinclair tool. So, I thought I'd try one of the Ram Priming units.

I originally wanted an RCBS ram prime but just ordered a Lee unit as they look pretty much like what I want, are in stock, and are a lot cheaper than other units...I mean, less expensive. :D

Anybody have experience good or bad you'd care to share with ram prime units?

Thanks in advance!

VooDoo
 
It's about the slowest method of priming I can think of. If you aren't planning to load more than a few hundred rounds per month it will get you by. Otherwise it will eat up a good portion of time. As far as how well it actually works, it's probably a little smoother than on-press priming on my Hornady LNLAP and much smoother than my Lee hand primer (the XR primer, I believe). What I really hate about it is the fact that you have to place every primer I the priming cup by hand. I have big Sasquatch fingers and large primers can be a little pesky to deal with, I loathe trying to put small primers in it. Half the time I try to put a small primer in it I end up getting it flipped upside down and have to remove the Ram Prime from the press to get it out and flip it back over, wasting even more time. If I were only loading on a single stage, a hand primer would definitely be my all time choice.

And the first time you use it, just make sure you don't try to pull your press handle all the way down. I can't recall ever being able to set it up for any cartridge where I can actually lower the handle all the way without crushing a primer, which could potentially detonate it. Slow and smooth and pay attention to where the Ram Prime wants to stop.
 
Thanks for the comments...pretty much loading for uber precision here and I'm more looking for a "feel" and precision/consistent loading and uniformity than speed.

I also have a lot of patience as well as slender fingers and small hands so positioning the primers for 50 - 100 cases and seating them shouldn't be too tedious.

Thanks again!

VooDoo
 
That's why I use the Lee Ram Prime. Yes, its time consuming, but I dont look at reloading like that. I have no use for progressive presses, although have considered a turret, but havent done it. Very good feel on the install with the ram prime

I like the one at a time, slow and careful approach. It is sort of like fixing string beans or any other one at a time process. I dont get all figity, just sit and deprime a whole bunch of brass while watching tv...on another day, clean them....then one day load them all one at a time. No squibs yet, (knock on wood) and accuracy is way up. It takes a lot of time this way, but time I have. Sorta zen like attitude, I dont need 200 rounds an hour. If I need them that fast, I will just buy ammo. Brass for another day!

Russellc
 
Used with one of these will give you a good feel of the seating.
You might try using serrated tweezers to pick and place the primers.
 
Already got one of these:

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I don't need another single stage press....all I need is a ram priming system. I originally ordered an RCBS ram prime but it's out of stock for an indefinite period and I have work to do. :D

I'm hoping the Lee version works just fine in the press I have. The tweezers idea is brilliant and I'll definitely be doing that as it also avoids having finger oil on the primers thus avoiding possible contamination.

VooDoo
 
Find yourself a old Lee Auto-Prime II, Beats the hell out of just about every other option this side of a progressive! I own both types but the AP-II is set up all the time on a dedicated C-frame.
 

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I bought a Lee Ram Prime unit at a discount price at a gun show years back. I reload for pleasure as a hobby.

Bought a Ruger NMBH 45 Colt, the second panic (Obama 1) had just hit and the only brass and primers I could acquire were Remington nickel, and Wolf LP's.

I usually hand batch prime with a Lee or RCBS unit, and I could not seat the primers in the nickel cases all were high, so I tried my RCBS on press unit again no go. Then I remembered the Lee Ram Prime unit.

I BENT THE LEE BASE, the part that screws into the press and holds the shell holder.

I know that's a lot of pressure to be putting on a primer but I had moved all other primers off the bench and was bound determined to seat that primer.

The "problem" was the slight over sized Wolf LPP, and nickel plated brass, used a cutter to relieve the edge of the primer pocket and it went away.


The Lee ram prime unit is a joke, along with the aluminum case length gauges for their trim system, some things MUST be made of steel.

I bought a RCBS used unit.
 
I have the autoprime 2 like 44vaq posted. Priming on the downstroke is the easiest, slowest, and most controllable way to seat a primer. That said, my primers do not slide down the chute well, and tend to jam and crush like mad. I love the theory behind lee's priming systems, but in practice they leave a lot to be desired.
 
Dagger Dog, I am going to point out several things about your post:

1. You purchased a $10.99 tool at a discount and misused it by your own admission!

2. Bending a $6.00 replaceable part!

3. The tool failed due to improper case preparation and oversized primers again by your own admission

Now, please explain how an admittedly misused products failure, makes it a "Joke"?

You placed several tons of pressure on it! Primers were never intended to be set like that!
 
Yeah, I think the RCBS ram prime might be a bit more robust. But it is not available anywhere I looked including RCBS. I paid like $10 for the Lee and it should get me that much return. I hope....

I don't see myself abusing it or pushing it that hard.

That said, if not I'll order a ram prime from CH4D as theirs looks pretty well built and precision as well. And there's always Lyman...if you can find one in stock.

VooDoo
 
Dagger Dog, I am going to point out several things about your post:

1. You purchased a $10.99 tool at a discount and misused it by your own admission!

2. Bending a $6.00 replaceable part!

3. The tool failed due to improper case preparation and oversized primers again by your own admission

Now, please explain how an admittedly misused products failure, makes it a "Joke"?

You placed several tons of pressure on it! Primers were never intended to be set like that!
Yeah you got me there alright , ya got me backed into a corner but I'm not down !

I own and have owned a lot of Lee equipment, a Challenger press, a Classic Turret press, Safety Prime ,their old trim system, 8-10 set of Lee Dies, couple Lee Loaders,and just ordered and received shipment notice on their new trim system for 4 of the calibers that I reload.

I went to the ram system because it can deliver the leverage I needed ,point is they shouldn't make that kind of stuff, some designs aren't serviceable ! They shouldn't have put it on the market when steel would have been the better option, along with the 22 Hornet ALUMINUM case length gauge that shortens itself every time you screw it into the cutter, and I will say this about Lee at least they did make it in steel too, and I own one of those too.

So I ain't Lee bashing I'm bashing their choice of design !

I'm sure the OP won't do the same lame brained thing to his unit, all tools have their limits.
 
Well since you were willing to admit to some "Ham Handed" abuse of the product we will let it slide this time.:D

FYI, The Auto-Prime II was all steel (except the primer tray parts) and does actually perform very well as long as you remember 2 things:

1. keep the primer tray full

2. tap the primer tray now and then to keep primer in the trough full
 
Well since you were willing to admit to some "Ham Handed" abuse of the product we will let it slide this time.:D

FYI, The Auto-Prime II was all steel (except the primer tray parts) and does actually perform very well as long as you remember 2 things:

1. keep the primer tray full

2. tap the primer tray now and then to keep primer in the trough full
VooDoo,

You'll do fine with the Lee. I'm with you on the availability, I jumped when I saw the RCBS used for 26 bucks shipped !

44V,
The reloading equipment manufactures wouldn't want me to test their designs !
 
I've used the same Ram Prime unit for 30 years or so with a Lee hand press and never have had to replace any of it's original parts for it so far.
 
You will be much happier with the CH-4D unit. I would get the ram primer/primer pocket swage combo if you ever think that you will be dealing with any crimped primer pockets. BTW they are made of tool steel and are presently in stock. BUT they do cost a BIT more.:D
 
I use the ram prime (.45 and 30-30) and it's fine. It's not as slow as people might think and it has a nice positive feel to it, though there is a bit of a learning curve to get it working quickly and correctly. But it all stores in a little bottle and uses the shellholders that come with the Lee dies.

I've no complaints; a new priming system is way far down on my list of reloading wants.
 
The way I look at a ram primer on a single stage press is that the simplicity and positive feel add to the success and consistency rate...if I sit down to prime a bunch of prepared cases and can do 5 a minute then I can do a 100 rounds in 20 minutes.

If I use a hand primer with the automatic box thingies and have a jam or the box pops open or I seat one improperly then I actually can probably do them as fast on the ram primer. I like simple.

If I was loading hundreds of rounds every week for competition or if I was shooting enough to justify it I'd buy a progressive press and could justify the expense and learning curve.

VooDoo
 
And the first time you use it, just make sure you don't try to pull your press handle all the way down. I can't recall ever being able to set it up for any cartridge where I can actually lower the handle all the way without crushing a primer.
I think it's made that way on purpose.

You shouldn't try to set up a Ram Prime so that your press handle can possibly bottom out. At that point, you are getting way too much leverage. You really ought be to able to feel the primer bottoming out on its own, and that point will not be the same for every piece of brass. You can't feel that if you have stupid amounts of mechanical leverage. You might try screwing the thing down much, much farther than you have it. There should be a marked difference in feel.

If your priming setup CAN'T crush the occasional primer, then it can't fully seat all your primers in mixed brass. Your hand should determine the stop point, not the physical limit of your press travel. That's my opinion, anyway. I know plenty of people prefer to set their primers exactly 0.004" below flush, or whatnot. But in most of the 9mm FC brass I have, that's not even close to being fully seated. (They typically bottom out somewhere between 0.006 and 0.012!) On the other side of the coin, some of the 38 R-P cases I have had, the primers are already slightly crushed just to get them flush.

Thanks for the comments...pretty much loading for uber precision here and I'm more looking for a "feel" and precision/consistent loading and uniformity than speed.
I get great feel on my Breechlock press. You prime on the upstroke, so the mechanical leverage is not too great. You can adjust the lever shorter, too. This lets you squeeze the primer in with the lever on your palm and your fingertips on the inside of the front of the press frame. Fingers have way more feel and articulation than hands and arm, alone. Heck, I threw my Lee handprimer in the garbage. With my Lee hand primer, I had to press with my thumb. For one thing, thumbs don't feel as good as your fingertips. And the leverage was not enough. On a tight pocket, things went from hard, to harder, to "I hope the primer is seated now, because I'm getting tired of this and I can't feel anything, anymore."

I think the main problem with consistent priming on a Ram unit is that your hand is free floating on the handle at the end of a downstroke. Your feel will primarily come from your arm and palm. And as said before, there can also be quite a bit more mechanical leverage there than is ideal.
 
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I think it's made that way on purpose.

You shouldn't try to set up a Ram Prime so that your press handle can possibly bottom out. At that point, you are getting way too much leverage. You really ought be to able to feel the primer bottoming out on its own, and that point will not be the same for every piece of brass. You can't feel that if you have stupid amounts of mechanical leverage. You might try screwing the thing down much, much farther than you have it. There should be a marked difference in feel.

Figured that much out the first couple cases I primed with it. After that I just screwed it all the way in and went by feel. It might say all that in the instructions, but the tool seemed simple enough I didn't bother reading them.
 
Dagger Dog, I am going to point out several things about your post:

1. You purchased a $10.99 tool at a discount and misused it by your own admission!

2. Bending a $6.00 replaceable part!

3. The tool failed due to improper case preparation and oversized primers again by your own admission

Now, please explain how an admittedly misused products failure, makes it a "Joke"?

You placed several tons of pressure on it! Primers were never intended to be set like that!
Agreed. You just have to be smarter than the Ram Prime is all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the Lee Ram Prime is anything but a joke, it's a solid piece of equipment. If I could find something with better feel, I would be using that. As I already stated, speed is not an issue for me. This is my view, for my uses. Some will share it, some wont. Some people will bash anything...

Russellc
 
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