Lee APP priming upgrade?

[TTv2]

I got the APP a few years ago, at the time I don't recall there being a way to prime on it other than the Ram prime system. So, I'm taking a look at Lee's website (which got redesigned and is now TERRIBLE compared to the old design) and I see they've got some add on for the Safety Prime folding primer trays and a spring connector attached to the APP for auto feeding.

https://leeprecision.com/deluxe-app-press

Anybody know where I can get this upgrade? I'd like to size and prime without having to do it off the APP press or with the Ram prime tool.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...er-new-deluxe-acp.917220/page-2#post-12624691

Read post 29 from Live Life.

 

[GW Staar]

I love my original APP just the way it is, especially once I added the TylerR parts to allow it to quick change calibers and feed from an electric case collator, for depriming and swaging. But then I already have a priming system I love, namely the RCBS bench primer. (mine is the APS version using strips, but I'd want the tray version of the same tool otherwise, and is today the only choice, since they short-sightedly discontinued APS in any form.)

I do have the Lee 6000 too which uses those foldable trays, but I'm not perfectly happy with a system that often requires manual shaking to keep them coming and can't empty the tray on its own ever....that's a PIA for me at least. Others disagree and don't seem to be bothered by it, saying, just add more primers. Snapping a new APS strip of 25 on a APS system is instant and easy, but with Lee's tray you have to take the tray down to add more......PIA to me.

The other thing I don't like is having to change parts to use it again for depriming and swaging.....I'd have to have two to keep me happy.

 

[TTv2]

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...er-new-deluxe-acp.917220/page-2#post-12624691

Read post 29 from Live Life.

Awesome, the only part I don't like is having to send mine in to get the upgrade.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

Yeah, I hear you. I won't send mine it. I bought it to deprime dirty brass and keep the dirt out of my priming system on my LNL-AP.
So If I want to start priming cases on one, I'll buy the new deluxe model for that and continue to use my old APP to keep the dirt out of it also.

 

[GW Staar]

Yeah, I hear you. I won't send mine it. I bought it to deprime dirty brass and keep the dirt out of my priming system on my LNL-AP.
So If I want to start priming cases on one, I'll buy the new deluxe model for that and continue to use my old APP to keep the dirt out of it also.

That's sorta how I feel...........and it's new.....there's some proving, some development yet to do. I've done my share of being an early adopter. But no need since priming is already covered for me for now. Will be waiting to see if it works as good as what I use now. If it proves to do that, then the real advantage over the bench deprimer I use now, is the ability to use a case feeder with it.....still.....they need to develop the folding tray further, and make it as trouble-free as my discontinued APS bench primer is.

I like Lee's current trend to develop a product and make it better, rather than copy RCBS......by creating something new and exciting.... then giving up on it nearly before it's out the door, because a few loud early adopters aren't smart enough to make it sing. Give these company's a chance....the Ford Model T wasn't that great at first either. Nor was the Wright flier.

I love both my Lee 6000 and APP now, but it took some patience and a few 3D printed parts to get it there.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

because a few loud early adopters aren't smart enough to make it sing.

I don't think it's about how smart someone is. I think it's about getting something that works for the $330.00 we paid for it.

The problem I see with Lee is that they will never make anything that works as they advertise it, out of the box, because they keep getting away with making products that don't, because we keep saying it's ok, we'll give you our $330.00 for the press kit and we'll fix it ourselves so we can use it.

A lot of us just believe in doing that.

If you went to Wallmart and bought a juicer and it didn't work right, would you spend months making parts and trying to fix it?
No, you would take it back for a refund.
Your doing all this work on the Lee presses for fun because your retired. I'm not retired and I don't have the time.

 

[GW Staar]

I don't think it's about how smart someone is. I think it's about getting something that works for the $330.00 we paid for it.

The problem I see with Lee is that they will never make anything that works as they advertise it, out of the box, because they keep getting away with making products that don't, because we keep saying it's ok, we'll give you our $330.00 for the press kit and we'll fix it ourselves so we can use it.

A lot of us just believe in doing that.

If you went to Wallmart and bought a juicer and it didn't work right, would you spend months making parts and trying to fix it?
No, you would take it back for a refund.
Your doing all this work on the Lee presses for fun because your retired. I'm not retired and I don't have the time.

Probably a poor choice of words. Rather than "aren't smart" I should have said impatient, whether by nature or by limited time. And you do have a point. It would be preferable to get perfect products. But progressive presses are more complicated than juicers, and even Dillon can't do that. Closer, but I've had to fiddle with my brother's 650 more than once to address imperfections......maybe less than on the new RCBS stuff and Lee stuff, however, the 650 has been around for years to receive improvement, but look how long they produced dangerous primer systems before their lawyers had enough and they replaced that with a safer yet in some ways inferior primer system on the 750.

Experienced people like Jmorris still prefer the 650 primer system, but they have learned how to use it safely. New reloaders are probably better off with the new one......especially those who don't use safety glasses or who don't keep them lubed and clean. I think the most important trick for success with any press is to keep it lubricated and clean. But even with that, do safety glasses.

I haven't had a problem with my 6000 like your picture suggests.....I don't know why.....except that I am anal about forcing anything. Broke expensive stuff in the past. So when things aren't smooth, I very carefully try to figure out why. With the 6000 sometimes that is the hard part. It sure doesn't like short stroking. Often all it takes is lifting the ram half way up and hand rotating the plate until it clicks....sometimes backwards, sometimes forwards.

And about perfect products.....I always heard Toyota 4 Runners were about perfect, so my last car purchase was one. The motor's great.....but I never have owned a car I hated more in spite of the "great" engine. Nothing else is great. I even got a "Limited!" Well it's limited alright....will never buy another Toyota.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

There is no product that is perfect and Lee is budget friendly compared to Dillon's and Hornady's. We all know that.

I've been loading for 53 years now and have never forced anything in my life when it doesn't work. My Hornady LNL-AP does work very well as long as I keep it clean and I don't have the problems people say they have with them. I had to do a small rebuild on it just this year and it's back to making ammo with no drama again.

I have an advantage though, I have been repairing machinery for a living for 37 years. I'm still doing it. I hope to retire next year but we will see.
I have never had to call Hornady or anyone else to figure out how to fix their press or how to make it work.

I haven't had a problem with my 6000 like your picture suggests.....I don't know why.....except that I am anal about forcing anything.

I think your jumping to conclusions again.

The Lee pro 6000 I got fell apart after 6 strokes because who ever put it together at Lee didn't tighten the set screw that goes down the center of the shaft that holds the carrier on. Then Lee said it had to be sent back to them because the press had to be put in a jig to tighten it. Apparently Lee knew about this problem.

Has nothing to do with forcing something.

I'm still using one of the old horrid Lee auto prime ll's for the 1980s. They were taken off the market for being unsafe. Don't know why, I never blew up a primer on it or any other press in my life. That's one of their products I wish they would bring back but that will never happen.

 

[GW Staar]

No, not jumping to conclusions.....I said I didn't know why I didn't have your problems. But thanks for telling me why. Glad you're not one of the bulls who destroy "china closets" (like my brother-in-law is) I did not have your experience with the 6000 either, and I'm glad of that. And I've never had to take anything apart below the shell plate...nor do I want to. I hadn't heard about the jig needed to tighten the shaft. (the horrors)

I also used the Autoprime II without incident before I went APS, after buying my first progressive (Pro 2000 with APS) And I in turn wish RCBS would bring back an improved APS. Imperfect as it was, it was the most trouble-free priming system I ever used.....so I can relate to your wish with the Lee Autoprime II. The Autoprime II isn't coming back, nor is APS, and I expect the folding primer trays to eventually go where they went. There has got to be a better way and it's not tubes either.

I do hope Lee figures out what's best for the APP. I don't think the folding primer tray is it.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

And I've never had to take anything apart below the shell plate...nor do I want to. I hadn't heard about the jig needed to tighten the shaft. (the horrors)

Lee said that the jig would insure proper timing for the priming part of it. They put it in a jib and tighten the set screw down to 80 ft/lbs. The jig keeps the carrier from moving while they tighten the taper lock bushing inside the shaft.

I do hope Lee figures out what's best for the APP. I don't think the folding primer tray is it.

I do to.

 

[9mmepiphany]

My Hornady LNL-AP does work very well as long as I keep it clean and I don't have the problems people say they have with them.

My LNL just keeps perking along too. Had to pump out 500 rounds of 9mm for an unexpected class one weekend and than another 700 rounds for an out of state match the weekend after...the Lee bullet feeder die works as well as the DAA Mr Bulletfeeder did on the Dillon 750. Be changing over to loading .38Spl tonight for a match this weekend.

I got the Lee Pro 6k to play with .45ACP and to try out their Autodrum and new priming system. Found the Autodrum a bit fussy, but the priming system exceeded expectations...enough that I ordered a 9mm shellplate to play with.

I'm using my APP primarily to deprime cases and swag primer pockets...I have a lot of crimped 9mm