Legal question about Sat. Night Special

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Its time to put the PC crap away its just a term . Simple words that people have made racist by telling you over and over it is. Tell a lie enough and people belive Same way here . If someone yells racist white people get all shakey and nervous .Mustn't offend any one Time we get on with life and stop kneeling and reaching for our wallets When some one yells racist.
Remember stick and stones may break my bones .But NAMES will never hurt me. True back then and still true today Iam sick of the PC crowd and their telling me my right of free speech must be PC or I cant speak. Read the 1st no PC requirement in their.
 
Hain't paying a lawyer, don't trust the cops to treat me like a good citizen, but do know of several bridges over deep water.
 
its a "burner" or a "throw away", no need for it other than to be used and losed in less than legal situations. tell your friend get rid of it ASAP IMO.

Unless hes a hood or plans on using the thing *** does he have it for??
 
If it were mine, I'd put it in a bucket of salt water for a week, then take a cutting torch to it until it's completely unrecognizable.
 
"3) My advice, assuming that neither you nor your dumbbleep roomie (he really needs to find better friends) have commited any crimes other than possession of the piece of steel, is to advise the lowlife in possesion of the thing to strip it down to component parts, and toss the frame in the nearest large body of water."
 
I would recommend totally destroying the parts that had the serial numbers removed. If you have access to an acetylene torch, heat it up till it's red hot and hammer it into a large ball of metal.
 
Here's a little info, I too can't find the racist part in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special
Because the price of a firearm helps to determine who is able to buy it, some object to the effect the elimination of inexpensive firearms has upon those of lesser economic means. It is seen at least as a de facto disarmament and at worst a calculated measure. Roy Innis, president of the conservative group Congress on Racial Equality, said "To make inexpensive guns impossible to get is to say that you're putting a money test on getting a gun. It's racism in its worst form." (The Congress on Racial Equality filed as an amicus curiae in a 1985 suit challenging Maryland's Saturday night special/low-caliber handgun ban.[1]) The Wright and Rossi National Institute of Justice study (p.238) concluded: "The people most likely to be deterred from acquiring a handgun by exceptionally high prices or by the nonavailability of certain kinds of handguns are not felons intent on arming themselves for criminal purposes (who can, if all else fails, steal the handgun they want), but rather poor people who have decided they need a gun to protect themselves against the felons but who find that the cheapest gun in the market costs more than they can afford to pay."[1]
 
El Tejon -- what's this about prosecuting the finder?

"Problem with that is, Prince, that sometimes they prosecute the finder. Have had it happen twice."

Do you mean it's happened to *you* twice? Or, barring that, to whom?

Without agreeing with the underlying serial-number mania (please show me how that jibes with the 2amdt) I agree for real-life purposes with the folks who've suggested (if you think accepting this gun is an acceptable risk) obliterating completely any parts from which the serial number's been removed (on a P32, would that be anything besides the frame? Is there one on the barrel, too?) and keeping or selling the "non-gun" parts. If that's a gun you'd be happy to have (I'd sure take one for free, though not in the situation this thread describes), you now have spare parts, including extra mag.

BUT, one level up from "erase from this planet the offending de-marked parts," there does seem to be something fishy here, so fishy that avoiding the whole thing seems like a wise idea. The first time I was ever offered a gun for sale, it was in Dresden, while I was a high school exchange student to Germany. A nervous man with a strange condition (clumps of mossy-looking hair on his face, in irregular patches) accosted a few friends and me while we walked around the weirdness of un-reconstructed Dresden, and tried to interest us in various things that he claimed he could procure. Note, this is a foursome of clean-cut 17-or-so-year-olds with school backpacks being offered particularly illegal guns in another country -- I don't think he'd done a thorough marketing survey. We passed, and I can tell you that I don't regret it ;)*

timothy


* Though I now wonder: was it a perfect-condition Makarov?
 
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Mayhaps, if you know a police officer personally, leave it in a package clearly marked "handle with care" on his front porch?

Kinda hard to suggest a course of action on something where pretty much touching it at all lands you jail time.
 
I cannot fathom the thought of someone risking their ccw license in order to keep an illegal gun that cost less than $220 bucks and god knows what crap has been done with it. As far as parts you will get nothing out of it remember KEL TEC has a lifetime warranty so why shall i buy parts from u when i can get from them for free and new? Play it safe and buy a legal one.
 
Just wanted to clear up a few things:

Neither me nor my roommate took the gun. The gun was only verbally offered to my roommate (not a gun person), but he brought the offer to my attention just in case I wanted it.

As well, having met the friend a fairly good number of times, I know that the gun has not been used (by him at least) in illegal activities. He purchased it as an under-21 college student for shooting targets with on camping trips to the woods.

However, no idea what it was used for previous to him purchasing it (2+ years ago). My suspicion would be it was most likely stolen from a local.

But, I'm definitely avoiding the thing.
 
Simple possession of a firearm with a defaced serial number is generally a violation of state as well as federal law. That means it's far more likely to be prosecuted than most federal violations. Takes a lot to get a federal prosecutor interested, but your local PA will be more than happy to file charges against you if you're caught. It's a Class D felony in Arkansas, and far too easy to prove in court. Bad juju, stay away. Tell your friend to call a lawyer and find out the safest way to get rid of it. IANAL, check your local statutes. :eek:

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Just read your post, CWhitt. Good idea. Your "friend" is or was in violation of a number of state and federal laws. I'd lose the "friend" in a big hurry.
 
As well, having met the friend a fairly good number of times, I know that the gun has not been used (by him at least) in illegal activities. He purchased it as an under-21 college student for shooting targets with on camping trips to the woods.
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Has not been used (by him at least) in illegal activities ? Yes it has. He bought it. He possesses it. Both are crimes.
 
I agree, stay away, don't touch, and do not take posession of this altered weapon. If it appears, walk way, quickly. Express no more interest in it, even express disgust and aversion to it. Having it is highly illegal.

Saturday night special = Low priced handgun (e.g. cheap imports) that were banned because of the mass hysteria surrounding their easy availability.

So, according to blackmanwithagun.com the term "Saturday Night Special" is not rascist, but the banning of Saturday Night Specials was racist (or, more accurately, classist).

Soakers, who was called classist once.
 
On a related tangent, would a P-32 with a low double digit serial # be somewhat collectible.. someday? :D
 
As B. Bruce-Briggs has written in the Public Interest, `It is difficult to escape the conclusion that the 'Saturday Night Special' is emphasized because it is cheap and being sold to a particular class of people. The name is sufficient evidence -- the reference is to 'niggertown Saturday night.'" ("Gun Control: White Man's Law," William R. Tonso, Reason, December 1985)

Emphasis is mine. Racist. White mans law. Kenn Blanchard strongly emphasizes the racist element in gun laws.
 
1. Possessing a firearm with an altered or removed serial number is a crime.

2. Knowing someone is in possession of such a firearm and failing to report that information to the police is a crime.

3. Hiding or destroying the firearm, knowing it has an altered or removed serial number, is a crime.

The best thing to do, is to notify the local police or sheriff's department with the information. Sure, they will ask you some tough questions (like why didn't you call us when you first found out about this), but you have put yourself in this position. Don't compound your problems by trying to hide or destroy the gun.

To all of those that have publicly advocated destroying the firearm, I sure wish you wouldn't do it on a public forum. You are just giving ammo to all of the gun grabbers out there.
 
I talked to an Agent at the ATF today and he said you can turn it in to the Local police or the Local ATF office. I still wouldn't take possession of it at all. He says you should call this number:

Firearms Theft Hotline: 1-888-930-9275

They are going to ask if you are an FFL. He said to tell them no, but you know a friend who has a gun with a defaced serial # and give them the info.

You should definitely get this gun turned over to the authorities. As much as I dislike gun control, given the fact that this gun was used in who knows what way, perhaps murder, probably just stolen, it ought to be turned in. This is what I would want done with my gun whether recovered or not.

What do you intend to do?
 
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) to receive or possess a firearm which is not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record;or
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Is this Florida law?
If not we must live in different countrys, I am still in America last time I looked.
I never heard of it if it isn't, and I can, and have, and will continue, to buy and sell face to face, and I ain't a gonna register nothing to anybody. Unless I buy or sell from a FFL it's legal and no ones business but mine and the other party involved. Bought a three screw Ruger at a show last weekend and gave the guy the money walked out right past the cop at the door and he never said one word. Register? not here. There is no " national register" we're suppose to do nope,nada.

I never heard such a buncha wrong advice in my life IMO. He doesn't have the gun does he?
Well, all you need to do is tell the roomie it's not legal to NOT have a serial number on a firearm and stay away from the darn thing. Problem solved.
Call lawyers, call cops gezzzz people. Your liable to get this guy caught in the middle of a nightmare.
Don't be a foolish, don't get connected to that gun in ANY way shape or form.
 
Well thanks for the education on the term "saturday night special" but I am not dropping it from my vocabulary. That link to gun control restriction aimed at blacks was very informative but not totally convincing the term "saturday night special" has the exclusivity of meaning a cheap gun owned by a black. Given this particular group of readers who are keenly interested in guns are ignorant of any racial taint of the term I am pretty confident it is just as obscure and inoffensive to the general population black and white. Interesting the historic facts back up gun control is racist though. Kind of ironic the pols who considered themselves the champions of rights are the same restricting a very important right.
 
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