Legitimate uses for firearms

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As someone said, any use not specifically outlawed is legitimate. If I want to use my 1911 to drive a nail to hang a picture or my 12 guage to blast weeds out of the rose garden, that's my business and no one else's. So add to the list:


5. Hammer
6. Cultivator
 
MisterMike and Parker,

You guys are not really correct. There is no real distinction between a civil right and a civil liberty, other than in America we think of civil rights as demographic (race, sex ,etc.). Civil liberties are not bestowed up the citizens by the government.

Well, we're probably getting waaay too wrapped up in semantics, but it's a small distinction. The Bill of Rights is largely--though not wholly--based on the concepts of natural law. In most instances, the drafters did say, in effect, "these are natural, inalienable rights and in our new country we agree that we won't trample on them." So, yes, the rights were not created by the State, but the State agreed to protect them (or at least not infringe upon them).

At any rate, my viewpoint on the use of the term when referring to the Second Amendment remains unchanged: as used in this country in this time, "civil rights" refers to a body of fundamental rights viewed as so important as to justify the protection of the Bill of Rights. The use of the term conveys that the Second Amendment stands on equal footing with others enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
 
Hey, Mike.

Thank you for posting that link - it's definition of civil rights illustrates my point nicely.

(West's Encyclopedia of American Law): The political, social, and economic rights that each citizen has by virtue of simply being a citizen, and which are usually upheld by law. The meaning of the phrase is shaded by its commonest reference: to the civil rights of ethnic minorities in the United States. In this and similar usages, there is at least as much stress on the rights of a (minority) group as on the rights of the individual.

Nevertheless the phrase is older and more general than the American Civil War. Any state which gives constitutional or legal guarantees to its citizens confers civil rights. However, constitutions sometimes state rights without giving the citizen any means of enforcing them against the state.


I believe that in our modern society, for better or worse, the term "civil rights" has been largely taken over by those who discuss ethnic or gender discrimination. Many of these people don't concern themselves with 2A rights, and some of them actively oppose the RKBA. If your intention is to say to them, "Hey, my RKBA is just as much a civil right as your labor/housing/educational/voting right", then I guess that use of the term is okay.

But that's a weaker argument than saying, "I hold this right inherently as a human being, regardless of what my government thinks." I agree with cbrgator that the RKBA is a pre-existing right, which We the People exercised before the founding fathers came up with the Constitution. I think it's great that they promised not to infringe it (and I think it's unconscionable that their modern counterparts have reneged on that promise). I don't have a problem with it being listed as a civil right, as long as we understand that it is also more than that, and not subject to the arbitrary nature of other civil rights. It is a natural right, independent of government approval.

Let's look at the situation in 1791. The bill of Rights was amended to the Constitution, and things were cool. Except if you were a Negro, in which case the federal government didn't recognize your "civil rights". Did Negroes deserve the natural right to self-defense and RKBA at that time? Of course they did, but the governments of the day denied them the exercise of those rights. So we see that depending on government for your rights is, ahh... unreliable at best. Even if you're a fat middle-aged white guy like me.

So that's my point. Not only is the RKBA pre-existing to the Bill of Rights, it is independent of it. At some future time if the government of America no longer exists, or is vastly changed from how we know it today, or has been co-opted by socialists, or whatever, the natural rights of humans will still exist, and humans will be insisting on them. Civil rights come and go, natural rights remain.

Parker
 
"Reasons" are just bait. I don't need to justify my gun ownership to anyone.
 
BHM: "R & D is a legitimate use. Historical, sentimental value, collecting, or just because I want one/some is a legitimate "use" of firearms."

Absolutely. I would have added (6) R&D/Experimentation; (7) Historical Research; (8) Artistic/Aesthetic; and (9) Collecting.
 
Deterrence

Simply having the ability to own a gun, and in some cases, choosing to exercise that right, can and has saved countless American lives.

Ever heard of the "Cold War"?

Or this:
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
(Japanese Navy)
 
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