Lessons from a Convict (Long)

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This last week I had the opportunity to visit the Utah State Prison for business reasons. I and several co-workers were taken on a tour through a couple of the cell-blocks, shop areas, etc. Near the end of the tour we had the opportunity to sit down and talk with one of the convicts, a serial burglar/rapist. He had successfully burglarized over 1,500 homes and businesses during his "career." We learned some things from him I thought I'd share (note that this particular burglar, when not looking to sexually assault or rape, was a “cat burglar,” and naturally other types of burglars would do things differently). Much of what he said was things I knew, like not having windows/glass near door handles, etc., and other common sense things, but I found a lot of it quite informative:

*When you wake up to a bump in the night, scan DOWN as well as at eye-level and above.
This convict stated that he learned over time, that when someone is startled out of sleep at night and look around from their bed, they almost never look down. They scan at eye level and up. After learning this common behavior, whenever he entered an occupied area he would crawl on the ground so that if someone did wake up and look around, they wouldn't see him.​

*If a professional burglar wants to get in your home badly enough, he WILL get into your home.
He told a story of a time when he was in Chicago and he had run out of drugs. He knew of a dealer in Washington state that had what he wanted. He got a plane ticket to Washington, waited for dark, then began his work. He knew from previous contact with this person that his doors and windows were all alarmed so he went to the man's garage, got some tools, went to the back of the house, and started tearing a hole in the brick wall by chipping out the mortar, and went through into the house. Other incidents involved cutting phone lines and turning off the power to disable alarms (this all took place in the 80's).​

*Don't do anything to make a burglar want to get into your home.
While as noted above, a burglar will do whatever is necessary to get in if they want to badly enough, there's usually a reason they want in that bad. This happens when they already know what you've got, and what you've got is something they want. For quick smash and grab, this man would always skip over "hardened" houses and go for easy targets. But if he heard through the grapevine that this guy has a big gun collection, or that house has a ton of jewelry, or (later in his ‘career’), that house has a single woman, the difficulty of getting into that house became much less of an issue. So don’t go blabbering about your awesome gun collection, your priceless antique paintings, or that you buy gold and silver because you don’t trust the banks or some-such, because eventually word is going to reach the wrong ears. Make sure your children understand this as well.​

*Dogs are no cure-all.
Due to working with horses prior to his drug addiction and subsequent burglary career, the man was familiar with veterinary drugs. He would break into vet offices to both obtain drugs for himself, and for use in his break-ins. If he knew his target location had a dog, he would inject horse tranquilizers into something the dog would be sure to eat, like a hot dog. Throw this over the fence or otherwise get it to where the dog would find it. Wait 15 minutes for the dog to either go to sleep or die, then proceed. Obviously he only went to this trouble when the house/business had something known and specific he was after.​

*If you're a heavy sleeper, make a way for you to wake up if there's an intrusion.
Obviously alarms are one of the best ways, but ensure there are sensors other than door and window sensors, like internal motion detectors, as the doors and windows can be completely bypassed, as noted. Make sure your choice of alarm will make some notification upon power loss. To continue the story of him burglarizing the drug dealer: After getting in through the small hole he put in the wall, he proceeded into the dealer's bedroom where he and his girlfriend were asleep. He saw a briefcase (he found later contained $17,000 and several bags of drugs) bicycle-lock-chained to the bedpost, and a gun on a nightstand. He unloaded the gun and pushed it under the bed. Again he returned to the man’s garage, got a wrench and returned.
He unbolted the bedpost from the headboard on one side, just enough, and slipped the chain up and over and left with the briefcase. He did all this without them waking up. Obviously they were either heavy sleepers or “on something.” A member of my group inquired what he would have done if they woke up. He responded that he always took that kind of thing as a “bridge to be crossed if I get there.”​

*Don’t leave out tools to help the burglar.
I think the example of the drug dealer’s house covered this well. He used the man’s own tools to get through his external wall, and to remove the briefcase. Lucky for the dealer he didn’t make use of his gun as well.​

*”Decoys” can sometimes work.
He indicated some situations in which certain objects turned him the other way, and mentioned some he thought a good idea. He thought it would be a good idea for a single lady living alone to go out, buy some size 14 “combat boots,” get them all muddy, and keep them on the porch. When looking for “prey,” he specifically avoided homes where he thought there was even a small chance a man might be present. While he generally ignored “Beware of Dog” signs when on smash-and-grabs as he found many to be untrue, he would turn the other way if he saw actual signs of a dog, such as a big dog-food bowl that actually had some food in it. He noted one time he had broken into a house and found some Karate magazines on the coffee table. He left immediately. “I didn’t want to deal with that s***!”​

*Safes delay, not stop. The difference between safes is the amount of delay.
He found floor safes to be his favorite. When he knew his target had a floor safe he would steal some liquid nitrogen from a business, then proceed to the location. He’d pour the nitrogen about 3/4 of an inch deep over the safe (using something to dam it around the edges) wait 15 minutes or so, then smack it with a medium sized sledgehammer. This usually shattered the lock mechanism, and allowed him access. He said the longest time it took him to get into a safe was 10-hours, at a business on a Saturday night. Often he used tools found on the premises to get into safes in homes and businesses.​

Well, I hope some of this is useful to you. Obviously this is one burglar, and others do things different ways. This is a very intelligent man (as evidenced by the means he used to avoided capture on several occasions), and the average burglar is likely not to be. I didn’t share much about what he said about the rapes and such he did because it’s really not that helpful. He was what would be categorized as an “acceptance rapist.” He raped for a sick, twisted feeling of acceptance. Despite his verbal threats, if the woman so much as screamed he would leave. Obviously this would be VERY different with an “anger rapist,” and also is why certain things would turn him away when they would not do so to a more violent rapist. Since there’s not one kind of rapist, and what would turn away one would only enrage another, obviously the best anti-rapist tool is a good firearm to administer hot-lead injections.
 
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One of my employees was a former"safe man." He did 12 years. Just about everything you said he has also said. Always worth repeating.

Kevin
 
Marnoot said:
*If a professional burglar wants to get in your home badly enough, he WILL get into your home.
He told a story of a time when he was in Chicago and he had run out of drugs. He knew of a dealer in Washington state that had what he wanted. He got a plane ticket to Washington, waited for dark, then began his work....

*Don’t leave out tools to help the burglar.
I think the example of the drug dealer’s house covered this well. He used the man’s own tools to get through his external wall, and to remove the briefcase. Lucky for the dealer he didn’t make use of his gun as well.​
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Wait, he bought a PLANE TICKET? Does he get his drug supplies a year in advance or something? Couldn't he have bought drugs with the money he used for the plane ticket?

Good points all around.​
 
Wait, he bought a PLANE TICKET? Does he get his drug supplies a year in advance or something?
Don't know how frequenty he 're-supplied', but he ran out in unfamiliar territory, and didn't know where to get what he wanted locally. He had the money for a ticket (he also knew he could "get more for his money" if he cleaned out this dealer, he said), so he bought a ticket, cleaned out the dealer, used $900 of what was in the case to buy a car under a fake name, drove back to Chicago (didn't have to be back for a few days), ditched the car. He was a truck driver. The burglaries all occured in neighborhoods along the way and quite a bit back home (Ogden, UT).

That reminds me of another thing he mentioned. He was up all night most nights anyway due to being on the drugs, so he'd go and walk around neighborhoods all night to get people's schedules down. Who left for work when, who worked at night, etc. Police approached him occasionally and he'd just claim to be out jogging and that he worked an odd schedule. Towards the end of things, this got difficult because the police were out every night in force looking for the Ogden City Rapist (him). At that point he became a bit more stealthy about his reconnaissance.
 
It is my understanding that guys like this get caught more by "bad luck" or by doing this sort of thing too many times then by doing something stuiped.

It is a good idea not talk about what valuables you have while you are in public.

A young woman(more so if she is good looking) living alone should leave some signs around that she has a large man living with her. My not work with serial rapists or killers. but anyone else.

-Bill
 
It is my understanding that guys like this get caught more by "bad luck" or by doing this sort of thing too many times then by doing something stuiped.
Basically the case here. I guess it would technically be a result of "too many times," which allowed good old-fashioned police-work to succeed in taking some scum off the streets: The police finally noticed a pattern in the rapes that the rapist himself hadn't. If a rape/assault succeeded, he wouldn't go back to that neighborhood again. If a woman "rejected" him (screamed, fought back, or otherwise did something to make him take off), he'd return back to the same neighborhood and area to find another victim and make another attempt. After figuring out the pattern, after a failed-rape was reported the police staked out the immediate-surrounding area, which resulted in finally catching him.

He narrowly avoided being caught three weeks prior, a story which I also found interesting. He was out for one of his night-walks. He saw the headlights to a car (happened to be an unmarked police car) and had the feeling it was a police car. Later found out the officer driving that car saw him (the rapist) in his headlights and had the feeling it was the guy they were looking for. With both parties realizing who the other was, and both realizing the other realized, the chase was on. The guy bolted into a neighborhood and the officer gave chase. Rapist hid in a backyard, looked out and saw there were now two cruisers going up and down the street. Managed to sneak across to another block, and hid up on a roof. After staying there for 15 minutes he dared a peek out to the road, which was now absolutely crawling with police cruisers (ended up being 20 cars looking for him that night in that neighborhood). He decided "this was it," and was about to give himself up when he decided to try one last thing.

He broke into the garage of the house he was on, removed most of his clothing, messed up his hair, and waited for the police on foot to get to that yard. When they did, he exited the garage and made the door slam hard enough that the police would hear it but that the homeowner wouldn't. He walked up to the officers and in a groggy-sounding voice asked "What the hell's going on?" He then proceeded to "help" the officers search "his" yard for himself. Finally went "back in," waited in the garage until the police had left, and walked on out.
 
Excellent insights.

It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you, and believe me people they are REALLY out to get you. Secure your property, limit who you trust, be hard in your heart, and be ready to kill.
 
Marnoot said:
With both parties realizing who the other was, and both realizing the other realized, the chase was on. The guy bolted into a neighborhood and the officer gave chase. Rapist hid in a backyard, looked out and saw there were now two cruisers going up and down the street. Managed to sneak across to another block, and hid up on a roof. After staying there for 15 minutes he dared a peek out to the road, which was now absolutely crawling with police cruisers (ended up being 20 cars looking for him that night in that neighborhood). He decided "this was it," and was about to give himself up when he decided to try one last thing.

He broke into the garage of the house he was on, removed most of his clothing, messed up his hair, and waited for the police on foot to get to that yard. When they did, he exited the garage and made the door slam hard enough that the police would hear it but that the homeowner wouldn't. He walked up to the officers and in a groggy-sounding voice asked "What the hell's going on?" He then proceeded to "help" the officers search "his" yard for himself. Finally went "back in," waited in the garage until the police had left, and walked on out.

WOW!!!:what: That takes big brass ones. I bet the cop feels stupid that "helped" him search his backyard.
That's just a hugely ballsy move. Not everything is as it appears I suppose.
Interesting thread.
 
Inmates can be interesting individuals. BUT, having dealt with them professionally for a "few" years, I can tell you two things. One, unless you know the inmate well, disbelieve 90% of what he tells you. They are also professional liars. Two, if you do know him well, disbelieve 50% of what he tells you - see above. If you think I am being cynical, you ain't seen the half of it yet.
On the flip side, I did several informal interviews with inmates I know/knew, and when the question of gun control was brought up, I was greeted by two reactions, either big smiles, or outright laughter. Just an FYI...
 
What my LEO relative had to say

Seems that gun control is one of the favorite topics of Bad Guys. My relative in law enforcement made it clear that BGs really are 'concerned' (they won't admit to being scared) about targeting victims who might be or are in fact armed and ready to defend themselves.
 
Here's a rather obvious lesson, learned quite recently by several of my neighbors (I have no convict acquaintances): Do NOT leave your remote garage door openers in vehicles parked in your driveway.

Another garage lesson learned personally while living in Southern California: garage doors can be easily pryed open, enough for someone to slide through underneath, windows as well ... Amazing how many people leave the inside doors from garage into home unlocked ... or have enough tools left out in the garage to easily facilitate opening the inside door (and then more locked doors, cabinets, drawers, safes).
 
He broke into the garage of the house he was on, removed most of his clothing, messed up his hair, and waited for the police on foot to get to that yard. When they did, he exited the garage and made the door slam hard enough that the police would hear it but that the homeowner wouldn't. He walked up to the officers and in a groggy-sounding voice asked "What the hell's going on?" He then proceeded to "help" the officers search "his" yard for himself. Finally went "back in," waited in the garage until the police had left, and walked on out.
I can't understand why the LEO's wouldn't check this guy? After all he is a professional and very dangerous and they knew he was in the area.

One more thing I hope no BG's are reading this thread!:uhoh:
 
PCGS65 said:
I can't understand why the LEO's wouldn't check this guy? After all he is a professional and very dangerous and they knew he was in the area.

One more thing I hope no BG's are reading this thread!:uhoh:
Believe me Friend, there's nothing here that they don't already know.
Anyone with even a GED in Bad Guy learned this stuff as a mere larvae.
Biker
 
Oh, I'm sure that he exagerated some. Most do, but the concepts stay the same.
Biker
 
No offense, but some of that sounds like BS...
Granted. But we talked with some of the CO's afterwards. The "narrow escape" story was verified, as the police officers who were "helped" by the rapist recognized him as the same man when they caught him 3 weeks later. As for the trip to Washington, I believe it did happen, but was likely exagerated some. We met with a panel of convicts before this man, and we were told afterwards by our escorting correctional officers that most of what they told us was BS, w/re to what they had done. They didn't do so after the rapist. They said they actually believed most of what he told us; much of it was verified by the record (dogs dead at scenes, broken safes, the narrow escape). But like I said, the Washington trip can't be verified as obviously the dealer never reported his drugs stolen. The man was not cocky about his doings, and most details we got had to be coaxed out of him; he didn't want to talk about much of it.

Regardless, I agree with Biker. Even if every story was embellished, which is a likely possibility, the concepts stay the same.
 
Biker said:
Believe me Friend, there's nothing here that they don't already know.
Anyone with even a GED in Bad Guy learned this stuff as a mere larvae.
Biker
Biker hows it going? I know what you mean but the thought of possibly educating a BG gives me the creeps.
Oh did you mean MAGGOT LARVA?
 
Yesir, PCG, and they grow up to be flies. And what does a fly do?. Eat S**t and bother people.;)
Biker
 
Biker said:
Oh, I'm sure that he exagerated some. Most do, but the concepts stay the same.
Biker

Watch "To Catch a Thief" for some confirmation of these things. The feeling of security most suburban homeowners have is just an illusion.
 
Old Dog said:
Another garage lesson learned personally while living in Southern California: garage doors can be easily pryed open, enough for someone to slide through underneath, windows as well

Hmm my garange has a deadbolt.

And my windows open by rotating, plus they are too small to climb through without getting cut very badly.

Glass door in the back of the house is a giant security hole.
 
A suggestion for dog owners whose dogs are part of their security plan: look into "poison proof" training for your dogs. Basically, it's training a dog so it will only eat from its own bowl. Then you secure the bowl. Once trained, a dog will not eat a steak lying on the ground.

Female dogs cannot be decoyed by bringing along a bitch in heat.

Decoying the guard dogs away doesn't quite do the trick if you've got a small, loud barking dog penned where he cannot be seen or decoyed.

I once had a Dobie that wouldn't bark at things that go bump in the night. He'd come get me to see what I thought about it. I don't know if it was training or not as he was already doing it when I got him. He showed few signs of obedience training.
 
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