Let's talk aluminum baseball bats

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Give it a rest already. If that's a joke, not everyone knows it, and some are dumb enough to think it's a good idea.
 
stickwhistler,

Welcome to THR, and thanks for the link.

Reasons I was partial to wood bats, include having used various sizes as a mandrel in working metals.

Often times we removed the "cap" if you will at the handle and this allowed whatever we need to slip onto a wooden mandrel allowing us to straighten/ round it out.
The wood did not mar the metals or whatever we were using with such mandrels.

Naturally, if a situation came up, just using whatever was handy, includes these ball bat/mandrels.

Hence the reason we obtained cracked and broken bats, these we could "fix", or "adapt" for other mandrel needs.


Interesting thing came out when I was very young. Wood retains blood and marks.
I mention this as there was situation where an abusive husband came in to do harm to his wife and kids.
They were separated, [judge hinted real heavy this was a good idea] so I cannot say there was a restraining order or not, still the husband was asked to stay away.

Granted everyone knew the situation with this family, still the wooden bat had supporting evidence.

Husband busted glass to gain entry as the locks had been changed. Glass was embedded in the bat.

In the course of this "heated interaction" , husband sets down the bat. Wife gets bat and the marks of where she deflected a serrated knife he came at her with, were on the bat.

Then she hauled off and knocked him flat as a fritter with a 10" cast iron skillet.
Up and under his chin...

Needless to say, divorce was easy, even in times where divorce was not a popular, in fact frowned on.
In this situation though...nobody blamed the wife for filing for divorce.

Still the bat had supporting evidence to assist.

Yes, the husband tried to make it look as she went after him...
Thankfully the kids were spending the night with some other kids for a sleep over.


Use Enough Cast Iron
 
well i am going to go back to the actual topic at hand. the use of a baseball bat as a self defense weapon. it is a good one. it is light, well balanced, and easy to use even by the most in experienced of users. all in all a good tool of self defense. and i think the whole nails in your bat legality thing does depend largly on local laws. so if you want to do it i recommend that you check your state and local laws on the matter before you do.
 
Back in the day of 64 mustangs I was a pretty good ballplayer. Passed it on to my son, who was scouted but choose swimming as his ticket to to a full ride to college.
Now I got the granddaughters practicing T ball with plastic bats.

Whats my point, take those bats and go teach a kid how to play ball.
 
How much poo do you have to be in?

Before you can say in legal terms that you are "defending yourself" by clubbing someone stupid with a bat? That's my question. I know in Texas you can be accused of possessing a deadly weapon just for having a bat in your car without a legit reason (like "I'm on my way to practice"). I could see if it was a home invasion and the bat just happened to be there, but in that case, I'd rather have a Mossberg 500 than a bat.
 
You may not be able to get the perfect homerun hit on that home invader...but then again, you might. A single blow to an intruder would certainly be very defensible in court. Even multiple hits could be defensible if the threat was still threatening.

John
 
I'm partial to 28" hickory axe handles myself.
Useful for all sorts of stuff around the house, barn, shed, property...
Even a cracked one, glued a bit and wrapped with electrical tape is useful.

i.e.
Instead of just reaching first, check first with the axe handle in the garden, corner of a barn, shed.
Just reach in the weeds to find a kid's ball, and then just knock it on out...
The design works great for tightening a fan belt or similar, and it does not mar the other stuff under a hood or machinery.
Prop a door open.
Checking air pressure...
Messing with barbed wire...
Messing with electrical fence, or needing to move a downed wire out of the way....

Nothing wrong with a 48" axe handle, just 28" is a bit more quicker.
It has enough reach to get a fella with a locking 4" hunting knife, to quit doing what he was doing.
Then again, with two broken bones, he had to quit doing a number of things for a bit.

Small town police and deputy Sheriff, ain't got a problem with a hickory axe handle.
They have been known to tote one around the small town baseball field...
keep one handy in a squad car, around their home and property...

I need to pick me up another 28" one, a cracked one will work, if'n I can run across one.
 
Modification of clubs is a waste of time and can result in your self-defense claim going out the window and you ending up being charged with a homicide. Establishing intent is much easier when your club looks like something from Hollywood.

This is completely wrong. This is why:

Find a court case where the weapon a person used was used to prove they were guilty. Over 2 years on this site, and hundreds of hours of research in law and I have never run across such a thing.

A bat will be considered deadly force if its within its delivery system range and used in the manor that could cause death or great bodily harm. If someone is 10 feet away and has a bat (at the ready) and is advancing towards you (with the obvious intent) then you have a case of someone trying to use deadly force on you.

Almost anything can be used to kill another person. Some things are more lethal then others in the deadly force category (or should I say the chance of survival varies). Adding nails to a bat increases its chances of causing death or great bodily harm. Mainly because the nails could easily puncture the heart/lungs/arteries/etc. However making it a more effective weapon does not change the fact that it is considered deadly force when used with intent.

The weapon you use, be it a bat with nails, a plain bat, or a truck, can't be used as evidence that a person is guilty of murder. If you were justified in swinging a bat at someone's head, then you would be just as justified with swinging a bat with 20 spikes in it. The law doesn't state that there are multiple levels of deadly force, and your only allowed to use certain levels against certain threats (such as level 1 for bats, level 2 for bats with nails, level 3 for guns, level 4 for vehicles, level 5 for bombs, etc). If you are faced with a deadly force threat, you can counter that with deadly force of your own, be it a bat with nails or a plain bat.

There is one possible potential problem with putting nails in a bat. Much like how an baton an officer uses is not considered deadly force when used as trained (the training requires the baton to be aimed below the waist in most cases). If a person were to take a blow to the head and die from a baton (say if the person were to lunge during the swing, which resulted in them being hit in the head) the officer will likely be in the clear because the intent wasn't there. In the case of a bat, the question of the bat being capable of causing death or great bodily harm is easier to answer with nails in it, even if the bat is small. Even so a standard bat could easily cause great bodily harm or death, and its far more capable of doing such things then a baton.

Any remote/knife edge/cliff hanging/1 in a million chance you have of convincing a jury that you swinging a standard louisville slugger was in a manner that would normally not cause death or great bodily harm (Such as in a case where you claim you were using the bat with the intent to keep a person back, and not in a way that that would cause death or great bodily harm) would likely be eliminated with nails since the chance for death or great bodily harm is much higher with nails. Again thats going to be hard because your average person swinging a bat full tilt at a average person could easily cause great bodily harm at a minimum even with swings to places other then the face.

The reality is you shouldn't use a bat to combat anything other then a deadly force threat. You also shouldn't put nails in your bat because it really wont help you a much. A mace is even worse since with minimum training you would likely be hard pressed not to tenderize yourself.
 
The weapon you use, be it a bat with nails, a plain bat, or a truck, can't be used as evidence that a person is guilty of murder.

True enough- but it can prove malice aforethought (mens rea is real and I can find court cases to demonstrate its use ;) )and it may be illegal. If you had to choose between weapons that are approximately equal in effectiveness, and one was legal, and one was not, you'd be a fool to deliberately choose the illegal one.

John
 
The weapon you use, be it a bat with nails, a plain bat, or a truck, can't be used as evidence that a person is guilty of murder.

Perhaps- but it can prove malice aforethought (mens rea is real and I can find court cases to demonstrate its use ;) )and it may be illegal. If you had to choose between weapons that are approximately equal in effectiveness, and one was legal, and one was not, you'd be a fool to deliberately choose the illegal one.

John
 
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louisville slugger 32 inch ash not metal no spikes=Perfection

as for the proving in court blah blah blah if someone attempts to harm me or my family be damned the law untill im actualy in that court room ill use a scud missle if i had it handy and ill smile in the court room when they ask why i used it because i defended my stake in this world by any means neccessary
 
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