"Lines" of Carry

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Lee Lapin wrote:
Even pays to think through different places to carry backup, may happen to need a 'high line' carry if for some reason you can't reach your waist or pockets where your 'low line' primary carry and your backup most likely are. Recently heard about a fellow who got his pants snatched in a mugging, if you lost your pants would you lose ALL your hardware too? Been thinking about a 'neck gun' my own self, there's a .22LR NAA mini revolver handy... used to be someone was making a nice Kydex neck holster for them, wonder if they still are?


Col. Cooper spoke of Carrying as being Comforting not Comfortable.

I get chided for thinking out of the box and my always citing things such as Improvise, Adapt, Overcome, quoting CRSam's One never knows..., and many other of my "traits".

Here is another quote a Mentor & Elder shared with me when I was a wee brat. One learns from mistakes - less expensive and painful if someone elses.

Primary Mission of Strategies and Tactics: "How you gonna Prevent best can, and if Serious Matters present themselves - How you gonna Survive?

Well it ain't cheating if it works, - called ingenuity.
-Mentor & Elder.

High Line Carry:

Today we have more folks wearing Badges and USB Storage Drives (flashdives) around their necks. This assists in concealment a bit better from earlier times when folks did not.

NAA .22 Mini Revolvers , various knives come with laynard rings and allow one to wear around their necks.

"Why Steve, you are being paranoid, just silly".

One of my former employers, a Pilot, Plane crash, bad weather came up fast, he survived, badly burned below waist, passengers died.

He recovered , and it was a tense moment the first time he took off on his first flight after that accident. He had one knife around his neck, three more in that plane easily accessible, and ..."I / we could not reach a knife, could not cut the belts to save...always felt having a knife around neck...".

See, this is NOT just for ladies wearing dresses. skirts and having these pulled down, in sexual assault situations. These ideas are not just for some mugger taking one's pants away - and any and all defensive weapons.

The brain is "high line" at least the one Main defensive tool is "high line".

Having worked in a Main OR, I am quite familar with scrubs. State Reg's do not allow CCW in hospitals here. Still one has to arrive, and depart hospital. Not uncommon to do ADLs [activities of daily living] before and after. Activities such as running to grocery store, kids to and from school, ...just take note of whom is in Scrubs next time you are out.

Surgeons, Scrub Techs, Radiologists, Nurses, even Dental Assistants, and even your Vet and his Assistants.

Some scrubs have elastic waist bands, my ex was a nurse, hers did. she had nice pockets in the front as well.

Mine - top and bottom reversible, my bottoms had drawstrings -one right rear pocket in bottoms, one upper left pocket in top. Yes some folks , me included put stuff inside inside pocket..such as Me putting a NAA Mini Revolver in Scrub Top upper inside pocket.

I wore a T shirt (as per Hospital Regs) under my Scrub Top, not uncommon to get all messy in a OR and have to change scrubs. My ex was a Pediatric Nurse - kids get sick and one gets messy in a unit too.

I used, as did many others, a Belly Band. I mean getting off at midnight, having to go grocery shopping, perhaps just wanting to go out to eat after work at IHOP or somewhere, like "normal folks" do after work...1911, K frames or whatever real "comforting" at 1AM.

I know Carpenters and similar folks doing new construction and remodels...having "something" on person is a real good idea.

I also know Home Health Nurses, Sales Reps, Ladies doing Real Estate....well you get the idea.

It may NOT be a rapist, carjacker, or somesuch. One of my former classmates, a Scrub Tech, was using her sister's car, and was to pick her up Niece. Fairly new car, and why it caught on fire? It did. she pulled over to shoulder, gravel drive-way, and perhaps "bumpy" roads, air bag deployed.

She used her inexpensive Shrade Knife, on laynard, around her neck to "deflate" the bag, cut seat belt, get out, get into back seat and cut the seat belts to hold child safety seat. Car burned, child cried, all were safe.

"Steve, I kept thinking about my husband keeping a knife clipped his sun visor, there is no way I could have reached a visor with a air bag in the way...".

She wore hers with the idea of being attacked entering/ leaving hospital. Hubby kept one handy on visor just because it was an inexpensive gift and figured if out and someone needed a knife, or he was going to use a knife for something he did not want to use his "good one" for, like cutting a rubber hose...

Wives are - "persistent" in good ways. Hubby now puts a knife around his neck when driving, gets in the way as does his work badge, USB Flashdive, but Wife is a lot more "comfortable". He is too.

Something to think about, granted out the box, just the way I am.

Regards,

Steve
 
Here is another quote a Mentor & Elder shared with me when I was a wee brat. One learns from mistakes - less expensive and painful if someone elses.

I've also read it in a quote book. Went something like "Fools learn from their owns mistakes. I prefer to learn from somebody else's."

I think that is part of the reason our community shares stories we all have about ND's and close encounters out in the world.
 
One thing about carrying in all sorts of different places is that it makes it very hard to form muscle memory. I completely agree it's better to have something then go without, but just remember it'll mess with your reflexs.

-Jenrick
 
Not saying it is a bad idea, but please make sure that anything around your neck is breakaway.

You already knew that, but others may not.

:)
 
Excellent post sm (may I call you Steve?).
Reminds me of the stories I've read concerning carrying a knife hanging vertically down the back, suspended from the neck. Supposedly can unobtrusively pack quite a healthy sized blade that way. But how would you keep it from pulling it's cord into your throat? Hmmm....
 
Excellent post sm (may I call you Steve?)
Yes sir!

Back in the day...
Before the break away neck carriers we see today and about the only folks that wore anything around necks were nurses...

I wore a 22k yellow "get back chain". Buddy of mine was a Ranger in 'Nam, he shared this tip with me. The style of the times were men wearing gold chains, I looked the part at times, other times, a simple steel beaded chain as dog tags were hung on...might have been a Medical Alert, again popular at the time but mine were not used for this.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best...and never be rude to Lady Luck.

"Get back chain" being of soft gold were such , one could easily remove however links needed in exchange for whatever needed if caught "out" and needed something. Gold being universal medium of exchange. Like the time he bought rice, and clothing more condusive to his environment...later paid for a boat ride....

My neck chains if you will played many roles. NAA .22 mini revolver, knife, hand-cuff keys. Been known to have all on these.

T shirts with pockets with buttons sewn to keep closed served similar uses.

Remember - I was prone to be stalked and kidnapped. Not uncommon to be tossed in one's trunk. So I not only wanted to be able to cut rope, undo handcuffs, I needed my hands free to access hidden gun in my trunk and tools enabling me to break out of my trunk.

Yes I practiced this with each vehicle I used, and then some.

Handcuff keys and razor blades on person in other areas on person too.

Even had a firearm accessible thru my fly in the event ...things were not going very well and "maybe" ..."If" allowed to tinkle...the tide would turn somewhat better.

Another tip(s) was the use of Ace Bandages, this before Belly Bands and such...around upper body offer some interesting ideas.

In practice / training I used two sets of shooting glasses, regular and the ones that fit over glasses. Sometimes a Motorcycle helmet with face shield, as I was on the ground and firing not far from my face at contact to wee fit further out. That was me with a straw dummy rolling around.

I figured if the balloon ever went up, and an elephant came out of any door...well...you do what you gotta do.

Seemed to work for the Ranger near a rice paddy, figured it would do same here in the States.

Granted he didn't have to laugh and such a devilish grin when we did this once in a rice field ..."skeeters are universal PITA, now if only the Army could train them to be on our side".

"Ptooey" as I spit out wet grass and sat in water.
"Whaddy mean do it again?"
"'Cause I like you".
"Oh".

We were good freinds, one of them types you did not want to be a enemy of.

I was wet, skeeter bitten anyway...so I did it again and again...

"Don't want you getting your interior wet and muddy"...he put me in my trunk.
"See if you can get out before I get to turn up the dirt road up there"
Stupid me said " no problem"
"Turn around..."click""

I shoulda known, S&W braclets to wear as I got into the trunk.

I got the trunk open before we made the turn...:p

Ranger's have a very devilish laugh when they choose to share it....
 
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