Listen to this!!!!

[Desert Scorpion]

I am 20 years old and just moved to Illinois with my Wife, I have been in Law Enforcement for 5 years mostly as a Cadet. I have no criminal record not even a traffic ticket. I also own over 12 guns. When I moved to Illinois I did reasurch on local gun laws to make sure I was in comliance before bringing them with me, I ended up not bringing any with me. In Illinois it is required that you obtain an FOID Firearms Owners Identification Card; this card allows you to purchase ammunition and guns. When I got the FORM I noticed something very big, it wanted my Fathers signature of approval for me to get my FOID. I AM 20 YEARS OLD!!!!!! why would I need my father signature of approval. Well I didnt get my fathers signature of approval because he lives 2000 miles away and wants nothing to do with me So now I am in a bind, the ******* at ISP told me I cant get an FOID without my Fathers signature.


So basically I have been denied my right to own purchase ammunition and guns, EVEN Airguns. *** this cant be constitutional I am a legal adult, are the ytelling me I can join the military at 17 and weild a machine gun but am not old enough to own a 22cal. Is there any way I can get my FOID please help, someone out there must have the same situation. I cant even really go into gun shops or even hunt either. Advice please.

 

[Kharn]

It sucks, but either do what they ask, or start counting down days.

Kharn

 

[SWMAN]

Hire a lawyer from a Chicago law firm with a good reputation for criminal law. You may have to pay $$$ but they may know the "right' process to get you an exemption to the "law".

 

[Deanimator]

It's Illinois. You don't HAVE rights, only privileges subject to being bought and sold, and not necessarily by you.

 

[CountGlockula]

are the ytelling me I can join the military at 17 and weild a machine gun but am not old enough to own a 22cal.

In the military you'll need an M16 to defend from enemy attack in a war zone.

As a civilian, you're not in a war zone.

Bottomline: Move out of IL...but before doing that, write a thoughtful letter to the Dept. of Justice regarding your situation.

Or, have another person sign off on the application for "adult supervision" you've been in good relations with.

 

[RLsnow]

i might not be in a war zone..but id appreciate a M16 nonetheless <_>

 

[doc2rn]

This is why I moved away from Cali, which is almost that bad.

 

[CountGlockula]

This is why I moved away from Cali, which is almost that bad.

Nope, in CA don't need daddy's signature for a FOID...since we don't require FOIDS.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Well he did say almost as bad.

 

[mekender]

im thinking that you need to call the state police and ask them how you as a legal adult above the age of 18, and 100% responsible for your own welfare, can apply for an FOID beings that any relatives live out of state...

they have a procedure for this im sure... either that or call the clerk of the county court and ask them how you can get a guardian appointed for the purposes of getting a FOID card signed

 

[MarcusWendt]

What is a FOID?

 

[Desert Scorpion]

This is really getting me upset, when I talked to ISP the guy was half dead or asleep and felt that talking was just to much to handle. The Conversation went something like this. (Hello), Hi I just moved here and was interested in bringing my firearms with me here to illinois; I understand that you need an FOID and a parental signature if you are under 21. (YEP) Am I excempt since my parent live 2000 miles away (Nope still need signature) ok bye. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Desert Scorpion wrote:

This is really getting me upset, when I talked to ISP the guy was half dead or asleep and felt that talking was just to much to handle. The Conversation went something like this. (Hello), Hi I just moved here and was interested in bringing my firearms with me here to illinois; I understand that you need an FOID and a parental signature if you are under 21. (YEP) Am I excempt since my parent live 2000 miles away (Nope still need signature) ok bye

Desert, this is what we call a clear case of someone whose paycheck is guaranteed by violence or the threat thereof (taxes.) You see, in the real world, people have to make money by pleasing the customers. Otherwise, the customers take their money elsewhere. This gentleman does not work for the real-world market of supply and demand. No, this gentleman and his employers have something called a "monopoly." That means he has no monetary incentive to speak in anything more than monosyllables, to treat you with respect, or to do quality work.

Coercively-funded government is the biggest monopoly in existence, you see. Its time-tested, proven results and quality service are why we all love it so much, and why we dutifully vote every year in order to keep it in existence. I mean, who could imagine a world bereft of the joys of going to the DMV?

-Sans Authoritas

 

[Master Blaster]

Really its simple, you have two choices:

Move to another state, or wait till you turn 21.

 

[budiceman]

Why would a gun owner move there? They should move away!

 

[RobXD9]

I am 20 years old and just moved to Illinois with my Wife, I have been in Law Enforcement for 5 years mostly as a Cadet.

Can you clarify that? Call me silly but I don't see how a 15 year old is a cadet in the police academy.

 

[Larryect]

Not a lawyer, but when you get married you are generally seen as a full adult. I think the term is "emancipated." Sometimes teenagers go through the court to seperate from their parents and become emancipated. They can then sign leagl contratcs etc.

You might go back and see if your marital status works.

 

[Javelin]

Yeah your 20 years old, a grown man, leave that god for saken liberal sewer of a State.

 

[Ray P]

Been there, done that. Got out in 73. Went back in 93, and it had just got worse. Left again.

The only exemption for concealed carry in IL is to become a member of IL or Fed law enforcement. Once you're on "the force", all sorts of silly regulations seem to just melt away.

There is no valid reason for a gun owner to live in Illinois, but visiting for the purposes of deer hunting out by Quincy is certainly understandable.

 

[Desert Scorpion]

I have tried everything and reasurched to find how to get this FOID it just isnt working. I am thinking of just applying anyways and am just not going to fill out the signature thing and see what happens. O ya and I was a cadet since 15, you must be thinking of the term cadet as a refrence for the 6 month police academy. I mean something diffrent it is a program you stay in till your 21 then you become a cop. Got to carry a gun and wear a uniform too.

 

[chrlefxtrt]

You could get emancipated Seriously look into it.

 

[chrlefxtrt]

This is why I moved away from Cali, which is almost that bad.

I work with a guy that actually had a Concealed Carry Permit in Cali. LA none the less. He said it was VERY expensive and took him a couple of years to get it.

 

[Robert Hairless]

I did a quick Google search for "Illinois emancipation" and came up with some things of possible use to you.

First, in Illinois you are automatically emancipated at age 18.

Second, Illinois State University has a "Self Help Legal Center." It won't represent you but it might be able to point you in a more useful direction than even the best intentioned of us. Perhaps it could also direct you to an attorney who might either represent you or tell you finally that what you want can't be done. Here's how to contact them:

Write us at Self Help Legal Center, SIU School of Law, Mailcode 6804, Carbondale, Illinois or e-mail us at [email protected]. Not all questions will be answered and may be edited for space or content.

I hope you won't mind a few more personal suggestions if you do write them or contact a lawyer.

First, drop the outraged tone and become more matter of fact. You have a specific problem, your situation has some special circumstances that make the ISP requirement irrelevant to it, and you hope that the problem can be resolved by waiving that irrelevant requirement. Sound reasonable and be reasonable. Lose the dramatics. They make you seem weak and immature.

Second, focus on the two special circumstances in your situation: 1. you are at least two years beyond the age of emancipation in Illinois and therefore do not need a parent's signature for all other transactions; 2. you are married and the head of a household, and therefore an adult in fact as well as in law. I wouldn't say that your father wants nothing to do with you in any case. No matter what the reason, that statement sets off alarm bells to many people. (No need to argue with me about it. I'm not prying and really don't care.)

Third, you're being vague here about the cadet program you were in. Document it if it is as you described--with documentation from that program itself--and see if you can get letters in support of your application from your superiors in that program.

Fourth, be factual. You were born on what date and where? You were married on what date and where? You lived where before you moved to Illinois? When did you move? You were in what cadet program? You joined when and where? You served until when? The requirements were what? Your superiors were who? Get the idea? Facts are your friends because they give you solidity. They also can be checked, so you want them to be real and not get the roof to fall in on you.

Fifth, spellcheck whatever you write to anyone.

 

[Autolycus]

Robert Hairless: ISU is Illinois State University. SIU is Southern Illinois University. There is a big difference.

Desert Scorpion: I would suggest contacting a poster on here named ISP2605. He is a retired ISP officer and can help you out moreso than just about anybody else on this board.

I doubt you can legally own a handgun until you are 21, as for longguns that is different. Can you ask your mother to sign the card? I believe that if your wife is over 21 she can get card and you can have the guns. They would be her firearms then, at least in the eyes of the law.

 

[JustPassin'Thru]

DESERT SCORPION
As a 20 year old, you still have a long road ahead of you. It's common for young folks to be impatient and feel persecuted . Judging from the manner in which you composed your post, your blood pressure is likely elevated, and you want some answers, and you want them RIGHT NOW!!.
I'm frankly amused when someone enters into a situation, finds out he (or she) cannot have his (or her) every wish, and expects to find some exception to exempt him (or her) from the rules meant to govern all. Granted, there are some specific rules and some specific individuals where exceptions are and should be applicable. I can't myself see in your posts a particularly valid reason for an exception in your case, but that may just be me. After all I'm an old guy, and my perspective and yours on your specific issue are not very much in alignment. Truth be known, I generally feel too many youngsters have far too little patience. (Don't take it personally.)
Not what you want to hear (read?), but there are three reasonable choices I see that you have: gut up and wait for your next birthday and go thought the established legal process(es); move to a more gun 0wner friendly state; or break the law and bring your guns home.
I don't think anyone here can solve your "problem". Take it easy. Statistically, you should reach 21. You'll be fine.