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live fire drills for personal protection

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics and Training' started by labnoti, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. labnoti

    labnoti Member

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    Besides standing on the firing line and practicing stance, speed of draw, grip, sight alignment, trigger control, and putting shots on target, I try to incorporate a lot of movement into practice because I can.

    In one well-received training manual, I read advice concerning a brief course on fundamentals and then graduating early to moving targets and shooting with movement. That included ingenious mechanisms to move targets as well as things like obstacle courses to move the shooter and environments like “house of horror” shoot houses. The focus was on police training.

    Since I am just one person and not an organization of people, and my range is always temporary, it’s not cost-effective for me to devise a lot of moving targets like swingers, rails and so on. I do have (abandoned) structures I can use.

    I was doing a simple drill the other day where I draw while seated in the driver’s seat of the truck, shoot a target out the driver window, open the door, remove the seat-belt and engage a target ahead of the truck from behind the door (since it’s unmodified I can’t say it’s cover). Then moving around the door and from behind the wheel and engine, shoot across the hood to another target. I also tried variations where I would come around the door, hit a target to the left, pivot 180 degrees and hit another target.

    I use a five shot revolver, and I typically include at least one double-tap in a drill so I can’t continue on to engage 15 zombies or whatever. I think even three or four is probably unrealistic with regard to what I might actually anticipate in any reasonably conceivable scenario in my life.

    I want to mention some real-world scenarios, but I want to stay focused on shooting drills and not delve too far into what would amount to nothing more than highly imaginative fantasies. But before I bring them up, I want to recognize that shooting is not the only solution to these circumstances. We can expect that we’ll often be better off driving or running away when we can. In any event, I don't intend to consider scenarios here with respect to the justification of using lethal force or any alternatives. That is simply a different topic.

    So I thought about some real-world situations where other people have found themselves in need of using lethal force. I probably haven’t thought of all of them, so if you want to add some, feel free.

    At the cashier or teller when an armed robbery happens
    Car-jacking
    Assault with vehicle / Road rage
    Robbery at the ATM
    Mugged in the parking lot or parking garage
    Robbery or mugging at the gas pump
    Home defense against burglary

    Some crimes against the person for which I feel my own risk is very low, but which may be very relevant to others might include:

    Kidnapping
    Sexual assault
    Domestic violence
    Assault/Fight at the bar or club

    Then there are those statistically highly improbable scenarios that nevertheless get our attention because the violence is seemingly indiscriminate:

    Mass murder / active shooter (church/school shooter)
    Serial killers
    Terrorist attacks (politically motivated foreign or domestic terrorism)

    I will also mention that I have no intention of being a hero or one of those so-called sheepdogs. If I’m not the victim, and my life is not in imminent danger, I’m going to keep away from danger and other people’s security is their own responsibility. As a result, my training will never be focused on saving other people from their own predicaments, but only on getting myself away or ending a threat to me.

    For some people, fundamentals might be enough. For others, working on the fundamentals on a firing line might be the only option they have with live fire. If I had that limitation, I would look into airsoft for the other portion of training.

    Well, I’m running out of time to write this, but I’m going to be thinking more about the kind of situations where lethal force as a last resort could happen. What kind of transitional spaces I might be in, and how I can simulate those spaces and develop drills to train. I’ll reiterate that I don’t think shooting is always the best solution and that I always carry a less lethal option (OC) every day.
     
  2. Wichaka

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    You're looking for scenario based drills, or drills that will improve you're ability to engage overall?
     
  3. Armored farmer

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    Load a 'dummy round' with a spent primer and mark it with paint so it doesnt wind up in a hd/sd magazine.
    Randomly load it in a magazine for a drill.
    You will immediately see if you are dipping at the shot, and also practice clearing your pistol.
    Just a cheap, interesting drill.
    Pitch the dummies when youre done.
     
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  4. jmorris

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    I do lots of different stuff to test my shooting abilities but a big part of personal protection is situational awareness.

    Kind of like looking both ways before proceeding into the street or avoiding the places your mom used to tell you not to go to.

    In any case I bet you could improve your “live fire drills” or at least see how effective they might be by a little competitive shooting. It’s not going to be “real life” but might be better than you doing barrel rolls in the yard while shooting.
     
  5. Capt.Roll

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    Developing sound fundamentals on a flat range is very important and necessary work. Unfortunately that is the extent to which many people "train" on an infrequent basis. It's good on your part to incorporate movement while shooting and trying to simulate "real world" scenarios that you may encounter. It's unfortunate but getting caught up in another persons rage, while minding your own business, is becoming a higher probability these days.

    jmorris has a good thought, look into some competitive shooting that may be available in your area. IDPA, USPSA, Multigun & 3 Gun matches, Run & Gun (biathlon), etc. may help you sharpen your tactical problem solving as well as improve accuracy and speed while under the pressure of a competition.
     
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  6. Water Garden

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    participate in SD based force on force scenarios from a reputable outfit.
     
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  7. RPZ

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    A dummy round is best loaded by a buddy. You will not know whether it's the first round, somewhere in middle etc. If it is a spent case with a seated bullet yes you could scramble cartridges and load a mag eyes closed.

    Another way is to load say four mags, place a dummy in each, then scramble the mags before your exercise.
     
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  8. John Joseph

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    An ATM drill would be useful
    Most ATMs: nowhere to run, nowhere to hide
    Robber or multiple robbers approache from behind (situational awareness---can you hear him/her/them?)
    Or robber approaches as you turn around to leave and is brandishing a weapon---knife or gun
     
  9. Corpral_Agarn

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    Always a good recommendation.
     
  10. Wichaka

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    With a pistol, you'll respond in one of three ways...aimed in on target, sights on, slack up on the trigger, or in some kind of ready position, or from the holster...so obviously start your drills from there.

    Then, train past the drill. Example, if the drill calls for 2 rounds...stay on target after those two rounds and think and be ready for rounds 3, 4, 5+. Don't fire the rounds, then immediately come off the threat..hold position. From there, go to a low ready, then to the holster.

    As for low ready...it is relative to the position of your threat. Example, if the threat is elevated, on stairs etc., then your ready position is elevated likewise.

    ...and there's no prize for the one who gets their pistol back in the holster first.
     
  11. Sav .250

    Sav .250 Member

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    Practice drills and real time engagement where adrenaline and fear of the out come really blows the practice drill out the window.
    Not saying practice drills are not beneficial but when under no pressure, you`ve eliminated the true test. That being having a real
    commitment to possibly being killed. J s/n.
     
  12. RPZ

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    The value of "stressed" engagement drills is limited in my opinion to induced physical and time factors. I say this because it is impossible to replicate the mental stress of a true life and death experience which can range from a sort of chilling effect all the way up to a form of mental and or physical paralysis.

    I am in no way saying it has no value. Better focus though in my opinion is on mental conditioning leading to the fighting mindset. This is the antithesis to mental and physical impedement or paralysis, and should be carried daily, to be switched on at a moment's notice.

    Combined with continuous situational awareness - condition yellow - one is better prepared to switch from orange to red.
     
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  13. ATLDave

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    Get involved in one or more of the "practical" shooting games. Your desire to win, or at least not humiliate yourself in front of others, will add plenty of pressure. You will get to shoot different challenges in any match, and you will have a good chance of seeing moving targets. If you choose your game wisely, you should have ample opportunity to shoot on the move.

    Are there other things to do? Sure. But that's one very good, fairly easy way to inject performance-under-pressure and more complex scenarios/set-ups into your shooting.
     
  14. George P

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    ATMs drill are easy - don't use them!
     
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