LMT blowout deal on LM308 South America contract overruns

[silicosys4]

The better question is why wouldn't you?

Because its not a well designed experiment.

Did you mean 'symptoms'?

I did, thanks

Why are you talking about under-gassed now? The context here was over-gassed systems, per HankC's post.

Your whole line of 'under-gassed' rhetoric is missing the point of the original 'over-gassed' statement.

It's not "over-gassed" in the least - often the gas port is too small, on average (so how would it ever be "over-gassed?" ).

 

[MistWolf]

Most .308ARs are shipped with a junk recoil system, that is not up to the task of handling the cartridge...

That's been my experience with the MP-10. Gas port is small enough that it only runs with commercial pressure ammo and recoil is sharp. It comes with an A5 style RE and a CAR buffer which is too light even for a properly gassed 5.56 AR. When a heavier buffer like an H or H2 buffer is tried, it starts short stroking. I thought adding a suppressor would help, but troubleshooting is complicated further by a weak extractor spring. I need to come up with a better extractor spring

 

[Matt.Cross]

Because its not a well designed experiment.





I did, thanks

The experiment is a simple test of the logic of your hypothesis, I can understand why that doesn't suit your sensibilities.

Anyhow, carry on.

 

[silicosys4]

The experiment is a simple test of the logic of your hypothesis, I can understand why that doesn't suit your sensibilities.

Anyhow, carry on.

That experiment as suggested does no such thing.

I said "I'm not seeing how a rifle can be undergassed at the port, yet still produce excessive bolt velocity."

Explain how taking all your buffer weights out and running the gun without them proves that excessive bolt velocity is a symptom of undergassing.

 

[Matt.Cross]

I said "I'm not seeing how a rifle can be undergassed at the port, yet still produce excessive bolt velocity."

And that was explained to you, it's a function of the recoil system, not the gas system.

 

[silicosys4]

And that was explained to you, it's a function of the recoil system, not the gas system.

No,. Not in the least. Stating it is so is not an explanation.

 

[Matt.Cross]

No,. Not in the least. Stating it is so is not an explanation.

And stating that it isn't is somehow more valid? You gotta be kidding me.

 

[silicosys4]

It's your theory, Therefore the burden of proof is yours.

Dude, you run a website dedicated to AR308's. If that test is so valid and proves so much then you must have it somewhere in your archives. If you don't, you should perform the test, and put it in your archives.

 

[Matt.Cross]

It's your theory, Therefore the burden of proof is yours.

Dude, you run a website dedicated to AR308's. If that test is so valid and proves so much then you must have it somewhere in your archives. If you don't, you should perform the test, and put it in your archives.

Actually, you couldn't be more incorrect. I in fact referred you to someone else's theory, which was offered in the way of explanation. As for burden of proof, there isn't any here, that's your delusional construct.

Let's explore this burden of proof deal a bit: I'd like a link to your phone call with Criterion.

 

[silicosys4]

It's your theory, your burden of proof.

Actually, you couldn't be more incorrect. I in fact referred you to someone else's theory, which was offered in the way of explanation. As for burden of proof, there isn't any here, that's your delusional construct.

Let's explore this burden of proof deal a bit: I'd like a link to your phone call with Criterion.

I see. In your world you are used to just throwing out statements and having them accepted at face value. This is obvious when you peruse your forum, and obvious with your refusal to provide any kind of evidence whatsoever that you aren't just making noise. If you are going to be cheerleading this "experiment", and using it as evidence to support your endorsement of your fellow AR308 members' nonsensical statements, the evidence to back up your statements on why this "experiment" is so valuable and revealing is your burden of proof to provide. You have provided nothing. No measurable perimeters, no explanation of the processes involved and why changes would affect the results, why they would change,
Just basically "I said so, He said so, So that's how it is".

No wonder your forum is so stagnant.

you know, a few weeks ago when ar-newbie came in here and started dropping nonsense he'd learned on your forum and linking to threads on AR308, I said, and I quote "I hope the guys at AR308 don't know you are here making them look like idiots by telling everyone here they taught you everything you know".

 

[Matt.Cross]

I see. In your world you are used to just throwing out statements and having them accepted at face value. This is obvious when you peruse your forum, and obvious with your refusal to provide any kind of evidence whatsoever that you aren't just making noise. If you are going to be cheerleading this "experiment", and using it as evidence to support your endorsement of your fellow AR308 members' nonsensical statements, the evidence to back up your statements on why this "experiment" is so valuable and revealing is your burden of proof to provide. You have provided nothing. No measurable perimeters, no explanation of the processes involved and why changes would affect the results, why they would change,
Just basically "I said so, He said so, So that's how it is".

No wonder your forum is so stagnant.

Thanks for that interpretation of the world as I see it from your viewpoint, that's deeply meaningful I'm sure. At the risk of stating the obvious, I owe you nothing. No evidence, no explanations, no satisfaction of any kind. All things I'm happy to provide to folks with an iota of intelligence or politeness, but in your case, I'm just not inclined.

 

[silicosys4]

Thanks for that interpretation of the world as I see it from your viewpoint, that's deeply meaningful I'm sure. At the risk of stating the obvious, I owe you nothing. No evidence, no explanations, no satisfaction of any kind. All things I'm happy to provide to folks with an iota of intelligence or politeness, but in your case, I'm just not inclined.

Thanks, I will get by just fine.

 

[Matt.Cross]

Thanks, I will get by just fine.

I wasn't concerned that you wouldn't.

Returning to the OP and it's finer points, that's an incredibly cool rifle, looks like a good deal.

 

[silicosys4]

I wasn't concerned that you wouldn't.

Returning to the OP and it's finer points, that's an incredibly cool rifle, looks like a good deal.

You aren't fooling anybody. The OP is your best bro over at your forum, he has well over 15,000 posts there, you know him by name, you came here together, and I'm sure you've already discussed the rifle at length over there. You can stop pretending its all a coincidence that four of you from AR308 just happened to register here these last few weeks and are all supporting each others nonsense arguments on the same two threads.

 

[Matt.Cross]

You aren't fooling anybody. The OP is your best bro over at your forum, you know him by name, you came here together, and I'm sure you've already discussed the rifle at length over there. You can stop pretending you aren't all related now.

The OP in this thread is you sir.

 

[silicosys4]

The OP in this thread is you sir.

And you are right, my mistake, two conversations open at once will do that to you

Do you deny that 98z is a long time member on your forum?

 

[Matt.Cross]

Do you deny that 98z is a long time member on your forum?

#.1 it's not my forum, I'm a staff member not an owner.
#2. What's the relevance?

We have a member who is a personal friend of mine with the screen name "98Z5V". Does that answer your question?

Yes, he's been on the forum pretty much since the beginning of it.

 

[Matt.Cross]

You can stop pretending its all a coincidence that four of you from AR308 just happened to register here these last few weeks

At no point have I pretended to anything. You're jumping to conclusions and making assumptions, which may well be par for the course with you, but I owe you nothing and you can expect that I will do very little if anything of what you suggest.

 

[BigBore44]

The OP in this thread is you sir.

And you are right, my mistake, two conversations open at once will do that to you

Do you deny that 98z is a long time member on your forum?

Ok guys, I’m going to start a thread because this one has drifted way off topic. It will have been started by the time you read this. I’m starting it because I humbly admit I don’t know about tuning an AR. So...if you two would like to join the conversation and have an honest discussion about this, I’d appreciate the knowledge.

 

[Matt.Cross]

Ok guys, I’m going to start a thread because this one has drifted way off topic. It will have been started by the time you read this. I’m starting it because I humbly admit I don’t know about tuning an AR. So...if you two would like to join the conversation and have an honest discussion about this, I’d appreciate the knowledge.

I'm game.

 

[JohnKSa]

1. NO forum wars. What happens on other forums isn't going to bleed over to THR and this isn't the place to discuss the relative merits of various forums.

2. The rules of polite debate apply here, and to all discussions here even to discussion participants who you don't like or who you don't feel are giving you the proper respect. Burden of proof is on the person making the claim and if proof or at least logical arguments are not forthcoming then that's the end of the discussion. "Is too!" "Is not!" discussions are going to get shut down here because nobody learns anything from them and they tend to deteriorate into unpleasantness.

That's it for this one.