loading extreme 124gr?

[Axis II]

just grabbed 500 extreme 124gr PLATED RN bullets and I have 1k of range brass in the tumbler and S&B primers and HP38 for S&W M&P 9 full size.

any tips loading the extreme 124gr PLATED? can someone recommend a COAL? looking forward to loading these up but want to make sure its safe.

 

[Starter52]

I've loaded thousands of rounds with Xtreme's 124 grain plated bullets. A good accurate bullet at a good price.
Follow your reloading guide's info for lead 124 grain bullets and you will do fine. HP 38 is a good powder for 9mm rounds.

 

[thomas15]

I haven't used HP-38 with them but I use 124 XTREME RN with TG and a coal of 1.124-1.128 Depends on the gun but you will have to load it shorter than the SAMMI 1.169 I'm sure.

I use a lot of XTREME, as others have said they are good bullets at a good price. I use more of the147g RN but either way, keep an eye for sales or free shipping offers and stock up. I have at least 10k in various weights in .356 for my auto-loaders. And 1000s more in .357 for my 38 revolvers.

 

[Axis II]

I get with rifle seating depth will engage rifling if too long, is this the case with handgun reloads? I was doing a lot of googling and I can get the charge data but OAL is all over the place from what ive read.

 

[au_prospector]

I load Xtreme 124 plated, and my OAL is 1.15 and I use mid range jacketed load data with no issues whatsoever. Should easily be under the max 1200 fps on plated bullets using mid range jacket data. I have tried HP38 and many others side by side and I prefer AA #5. YMMV

 

[SwaneeSR]

I use a lot of Xtreme 124gr RN HPCB bullets. Seat to OAL of 1.12" and load for 1000 fps.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Before I changed over to the FN bullet, I used to load the Xtreme 124gr RN to 1.140" for my M&P9 for IDPA competition...1050 fps

I wasn't using HP-38 at the time, but it shot well over 4.0grs of Tightgroup or WST. Also functioned pretty well over 4.7grs of BE-86

 

[Axis II]

now with crimping them how do i know how much or how little to crimp them being a plated bullet? im using a FCD.

 

[Walkalong]

Doesn't matter whether it is plated or not. The taper "crimp" should be just enough to remove the bell on the shortest cases. No more. Neck tension holds the bullet.

A roll crimp for heavy loads in .357, .44 Mag etc? Yes, you have to be careful with crimps and plated bullets, which aren't that well suited for that application.

 

[thomas15]

I get with rifle seating depth will engage rifling if too long, is this the case with handgun reloads? I was doing a lot of googling and I can get the charge data but OAL is all over the place from what ive read.

In my experience there are at least two considerations from a mechanical point of view, first the round has to come out of the magazine ok and the other is it cannot hit the rifling. In my Glock 17s using XTREME RN the coal has to be less than (going from memory) 1.155 or there about to avoid hitting the groves. Obviously if it hits the groves then the round will probably not go into battery.

 

[higgite]

I have loaded Xtreme 124gr plated in RN, HP and FP. I load the RN's to a COL of 1.120" so they will "plunk" in my shortest throated pistol.

 

[Axis II]

Doesn't matter whether it is plated or not. The taper "crimp" should be just enough to remove the bell on the shortest cases. No more. Neck tension holds the bullet.

A roll crimp for heavy loads in .357, .44 Mag etc? Yes, you have to be careful with crimps and plated bullets, which aren't that well suited for that application.

probably a dumb question. How do I tell if I have removed it enough? should I keep crimping until it plunks in the barrel?

 

[ArchAngelCD]

probably a dumb question. How do I tell if I have removed it enough? should I keep crimping until it plunks in the barrel?

You can use a caliper to check the case diameter at the mouth but in reality all you need to do is look at it and you can tell if the lip is still flared or not. I think the neck should be .380" but check that, I'm not exactly sure.

 

[LiveLife]

how do i know how much or how little to crimp them being a plated bullet?

Doesn't matter whether it is plated or not. The taper "crimp" should be just enough to remove the bell on the shortest cases. No more.

+1.

I found case wall thickness to range .010"-.012" depending on head stamp (.011" average) and usually add .022" to the diameter of the bullet for taper crimp amount, regardless of bullet type.

So for .355" sized jacketed/plated bullets, I typically use .377" taper and for .356" sized bullets, .378" taper crimp.

can someone recommend a COAL?

It's always good idea to use the barrel to determine the max OAL/COL first then feed/chamber the dummy rounds from the magazine to determine the working OAL. I also determine the max powder fill at the working OAL/bullet seating depth.

With various brand 124 gr plated RN, 1.150" to 1.160" have worked for my barrels but I usually load around 1.145"-1.150" and longer if I will be compressing the powder charge.

If you were developing lighter target load, you may need to decrease OAL until you obtain reliable slide cycling and accuracy for a given powder charge.

 

[1KPerDay]

I load them to 1.15 and they work really well in my M&P CORE 9L. I loaded a few thousand at 4.6 Unique and have recently loaded quite a few thousand with WST. Both are very good loads.

 

[ericuda]

I don't use the fcd, just set the bullet seating die to remove any belling. Should measure .376 or so at top of brass. You could spend a little more and get a redding taper crimp die which makes it easier for me.

 

[Beanie-Bean]

Dillon sizing and crimp dies, Redding competition seating die.

1.130" / 0.378"

I use Unique for my favorite load.

 

[Average Joe]

I go with 1.15 myself.

 

[meesterdon]

4 - 4.2 grains of HP38.

 

[Tcruse]

Make some test loads up to see what is more accurate for you. Xtreme 124g with COAL 1.155 here is what works best for me.
4.8g HP-38
5.2g CFE Pistol
4.2 - 4.4g Tite Group
(Note: the last batch of bullets seem to have a problem with Tite Group, not sure why but in the past Tite Group was as good as any. In the past I used Winchester primers and now I am using S&B primers but have not noticed any differences with the other powers. Also, tried some Acme coated bullets with 4.2 g Tite Group with the expected excellent accuracy)
For me, CFE Pistol is becoming my favorite for 9mm (124g) and .45 ACP (200g and 230g), mainly just because it seems to be cleaner and is meters slightly better.

(Glock 17 Gen4, Glock 26 Gen3, IWI Baby Eagle Polymer compact)

 

[Casefull]

Why crimp auto pistol loads. Most headspace on the front of the case. As has been said just enough to remove the flare edge and has worked well for me for all calibers .380,9mm,.40,10mm.45acp, etc. What applies for revolver rounds not applicable for autos.

 

[Load Master]

Make some test loads up to see what is more accurate for you. Xtreme 124g with COAL 1.155 here is what works best for me.
4.8g HP-38
5.2g CFE Pistol
4.2 - 4.4g Tite Group
(Note: the last batch of bullets seem to have a problem with Tite Group, not sure why but in the past Tite Group was as good as any. In the past I used Winchester primers and now I am using S&B primers but have not noticed any differences with the other powers. Also, tried some Acme coated bullets with 4.2 g Tite Group with the expected excellent accuracy)
For me, CFE Pistol is becoming my favorite for 9mm (124g) and .45 ACP (200g and 230g), mainly just because it seems to be cleaner and is meters slightly better.

(Glock 17 Gen4, Glock 26 Gen3, IWI Baby Eagle Polymer compact)

Tcruse, you maybe already aware of this, but there is a big difference in the shape of the S&B primers compared to Winchester's. The S&B might require press priming depth adjustment to be seated fully compared to Winchester. Note the difference in the attached photo.


S&B primers are my preference as they work best in my press.

 

[countryflyer]

This is kinda funny. This is the exact bullet, powder, primer , and gun I use. I have loaded about 4000 of these bullets with excellent accuracy. I use 1.125 COL, .378 crimp, and have found that mid range jacketed loads were the most accurate. Also a big fan of the S&B primers, especially when you can find them on sale at either 17.99 or 19.99 at Cabelas.

 

[Axis II]

This is kinda funny. This is the exact bullet, powder, primer , and gun I use. I have loaded about 4000 of these bullets with excellent accuracy. I use 1.125 COL, .378 crimp, and have found that mid range jacketed loads were the most accurate. Also a big fan of the S&B primers, especially when you can find them on sale at either 17.99 or 19.99 at Cabelas.

Thanks for the info. How is accuracy? I want to shoot IDPA with this combo. my gun loves federal 9mm ammo anything else looks like it was shot with buckshot at 50yards.

 

[Axis II]

I loaded 5rds 4gr hp-38 seated to 1.140 and they plunked and I colored the bullet and no marks or issues chambering and they all fired and shot a softball group at 20ft. brass is super sooty but the brass was really hot to the touch. Going to bump it up a bit and see what happens. fired 2 then 3 tac tac and no issues. Didn't need to crimp cause they plunked fine but did anyway just very light.