Local radio commentator detained at pro-illegal immigration rally

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I want to preface this by asking what you folks think (people on the MSI listserv especially) about a pro-gun list being used for non-gun related info. On one hand, the number of these emails that I've received is very low (maybe 3 or 4), and I thought they were interresting. On the other hand, I think such emails could dilute the focus of MSI and possibly turn off members of the list who don't agree with the positions in the emails. They could make MSI appear to be a right-wing group (ie: freerepublic) as opposed to a pro-gun rights (and more specifically pro-ccw) group (ie: THR and TFL).

I just heard about this on the Maryland Shall Issue listserv:

http://wmal.com/showdj.asp?DJID=25410
SUNDAY, MAY 8, 2005
When opponents of the "Real ID" legislation announced a rally for illegal immigrants and their allies in Montgomery County, MD, there was one immigration-related group I was absolutely certain would not show up: The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the people responsible for actually enforcing our immigration laws. Casa de Maryland and others claimed 5,000 people would gather on Saturday to demand that illegals continue to be given driver's licenses, and many of these people would be illegal immigrants themselves, we were told. If I were looking for immigration criminals, it’s exactly where I would be.

That’s why I’ll never be appointed head of the ICE.

I decided that I should go to the rally in their place. Why shouldn’t at least one American who thinks we should have the same border controls other nations (including Mexico) have show up and support the concepts of secure borders and national security? I figured somebody ought to make that point, even in a liberal enclave like Montgomery County.

And that’s how it came to pass that I arrived at Richard Montgomery High School on Saturday dressed like this.

I was just trying to make a point. A point about the fact that nobody who really WAS in the business of securing our borders was actually there. And in case you think I was attempting to impersonate a federal official, it should be noted that a) the INS is no longer in business, having been replaced by the ICE; and b), the letters actually stand for "I Need Border Security!" (Unfortunately I didn’t have enough room on the shirt, so I had to leave off the "B")

The illegals and their allies were gathered to protest tightened ID requirements for driver’s licenses. They shouted "No license, no justice, no peace," and insisted that the only people who wanted legitimate IDs to be, well, legitimate, were racists and bigots—which they frequently abbreviated as "Republicans."

Because they have such a bad attitude about IDs in general, it came as quite a surprise when I was barred from the anti-Real ID rally because of insufficient identification.

Around 3:20pm, I approached the gate in my "INS" t-shirt and was stopped immediately. A man who refused to identify himself, surrounded by several large, tattoooed people, told me that the public rally—which I learned about from the pages of the Washington Post—was an "invitation-only event." I showed him my ABC Radio ID and asked again to be admitted. He and his pals--none of whom had displayed any badges or ID--blocked my way and still refused to let me enter. They continued to examine my ABC Radio ID. The apparent leader did have some type of ID badge on, but whenever I tried to look at it, he covered it with his hands. He clearly wanted me to believe he was in the security business.

I kept pressing: "With whom am I speaking? Who are you?" One of the thuggish looking men replied, "Do YOU have any ID."

"Sure," I replied, and showed my ABC Radio ID again.

"Other than that?" he asked.

"Are you saying you’re not going to accept my ID? Are you saying you need tighter IDS at this event?"

They continued to question my press credentials.

"This is my ID," I insisted. "This is my media ID. So you’re not going to let me in because I don’t have a good enough ID, is that what you’re saying? An AMERICAN CITIZEN can’t get in here because he doesn’t have the right ID, is that what you’re saying?"

They continued to block my way and refused to identify themselves. Two of them claimed to be "Montgomery County Public School security officers," but once again showed no identification. So I announced "This is a public event, I’m working media, I’m going in." I started walking through the gate.

That’s when they jumped me.

Five or more people started shoving, grabbing and pulling me, moving to block my way as I tried to walk in. Several times someone knocked at the tape recorder I had in my hand, recording this event, and at some point they must have turned it off. I continued to walk forward as best I could, my arms held straight down, working my way between the bodies blocking my path. That’s when they began to seriously grab and shove me. They knocked me entirely away from the gate, pulling and pushing me backwards. Then someone shouted for the police. "Finally," I thought, "they’ll get these goons off me!"

And that’s when the cops jumped me.

Three from behind—one on each arm and one around the neck and shoulders—and one in front. Of course I didn't resist. These were clearly identified, uniformed police officers. They grabbed my tape recorder, my ABC Radio ID and detained me.


One of the thugs who jumped then began telling an officer that I had assaulted HIM! I noted that, while I hadn't shoved or pushed anyone, I was the only person the police were holding. Ignoring my questions about why I was being held but the people who illegally prevented me from entering the rally weren’t, the police ordered me away from the gate and escorted me back to my car. They, too, demanded more ID. If only Montgomery County cops were as interested in the IDs held by the admittedly illegal aliens at the event as they were in mine.

None of the people who jumped me were ever detained by the police.

By sheer coincidence, columnist and blogger Michelle Malkin happened to be covering the pro-illegal immigration rally too. She and her husband saw what was happening and approached my police guards. She started asking questions and the Montgomery County Police suggested she find somewhere else to be. She did, however, get a photo of me being escorted by the cops. (Be sure to check out Michelle's cool photos at her website.)

After several phone calls and conversations, the police official in charge made a very disturbing comment: "Look, we can’t stop you from going in there in that shirt," he said. "But if you do, I can’t guarantee your safety. And when people in there attack you, I’ve got to send my officers in to get you out and that puts them in danger."

In other words, he was confident that the people at the rally would kick my a…er, would react with violence. And because they were violent, I and my t-shirt were the problem. Great.

So we came to an agreement: I would turn my shirt inside out in deference to the concerns of the police.

I walked in the front gates—right past the entirely unmolested, unidentified group of thugs who jumped me—and down to the poorly attended rally.

That’s when I discovered I was being followed.

Several activists followed me through the crowd, some speaking in Spanish to the people around me. I said nothing. I just went toward the front to hear the speakers. And who is the emcee of the event? Why, it’s the guy who stopped me at the gate to begin with! It’s Juan Carlos Ruiz—he’s just some stooge with Casa de Maryland. He wasn’t a cop or security guard of any kind. Half an hour a go, he was shoving an American citizen to bar him from a public high school and now he's on stage shouting about how evil bigots make illegal immigrants feel unwelcome.

Hospitality starts at home, Mr. Ruiz.

He was ranting away about "No License—No Peace" and how Maryland better not start actually checking to make sure the IDs presented at the motor vehicle offices are real, blah, blah, blah, so I took a good look at the crowd. Very small. Casa de Maryland predicted 5,000 people, but it was closer to 300. I figured I needed to take a standard crowd shot for the webpage, to I took out my camera...and that’s when I was jumped AGAIN!

The gang that had been following me circled me with their protest signs to stop me from taking photographs. They called in English and Spanish to the people around me to create a "sign wall" to block my views. It was hilarious. It was like that TV commercial with the woman who has some credit card and is surrounded by Secret Service. Every time I moved, they moved with me, trying to block the lens of my camera, all the while calling me a "racist," a "bigot" and a bunch of stuff in Spanish that didn’t sound very nice.

I'll have more updates soon. I haven't told the entire story yet. Oh, and there's audio. LOTS of audio. So be sure to tune in Monday morning on 630 WMAL.



What do you guys think (about both issues)?
 
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Hmmm....I didn't get an email from MSI on this....I wonder if I got bumped accidentally.

Probably not applicable or appropriate for it to come across the MSI mailing list as is not really part of that web site's focus.

However, let's not forget that the problem of illegal immigration will ultimately have a negative effect on gun owner's rights. Many immigrants are from countries where guns=bad and will try to impress their beliefs on us as they gain greater control of political entities.

Or....take a look at the rise in gang crime (ie MS-13) that can be directly attributed to illegal immigration. As there are more crimes occuring, the natural reaction of the hand-wringers will be that we need to further restrict the rights of lawful gun owners.
 
I just saw some of the 'rally' on the local news. It was a pretty sorry turnout, and the twinkies speaking for the group were hardly compelling.

I just don't get where thses morons are coming from - they're here illegally, they're staying illegally, but they think they have a 'right' to legal documenttation, i.e. a driver's license. By all means, let's compromise national security and help perpetuate welfare (and other) fraud to help criminals. Riiiiiiiight. :barf:
 
Kind of bizarre that I oppose Real ID but also think that those crimaliens should be deported immediately.

Politics makes strange bedfellows, eh? :evil:
 
I just don't get where thses morons are coming from - they're here illegally, they're staying illegally, but they think they have a 'right' to legal documenttation, i.e. a driver's license. By all means, let's compromise national security and help perpetuate welfare (and other) fraud to help criminals. Riiiiiiiight

The rally group was being protected by LE and opposed to being investigated by LE.

Frankly why would we expect organizations like this not to push their agenda as hard as possible in the face of the very evident fact that virtually no LE agency in the country will enforce the laws on illegal immigration?

From the bottom to the very top, our government is facilitating illegal immigration at every level if only by neglect and the American voters are doing nothing about it? Our governemnt and the groups that support illegal immigration need be nothing but fearless in executing their plans. Any opposition is called racism and once someone paints with that racism brush it's all over...no credibility.

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"******* monkeys."

Nice ethnic slur.

Funny thing about looking for trouble, you usually find it.

Just to be sure, this guy wanted government agents to monitor a public event. So if the ATF shows up at a pro-gun rally, y'all think that'd be great, cause they'd be looking for criminals, right?

This place is amazing. :scrutiny:
 
They diddled with the wrong dood. Michael Graham is a conservative talkshow host who also happens to have a PhD in political science and has a night job as a standup comedian. He worked for WBT AM in Charlotte during the Clinton empeachment fiasco. He provided color commentary to the events. Very, very good reportage about something complicated. What happened to Graham will provide endless hours and reams of paper of comedy, commentary, and rabble rousing to a show host who could well become a national force. Bad choice of targets.

Graham is mega star in the making.
 
Just to be sure, this guy wanted government agents to monitor a public event. So if the ATF shows up at a pro-gun rally, y'all think that'd be great, cause they'd be looking for criminals, right?
no, as owning a gun isn't in itself a crime. However, if the ATF showed up at a rally where they knew a lot of the people would be carrying illegal firearms, it'd be perfectly appropriate.

If you can't see the difference between a pro-gun rally, which does not inherently encourage breaking the law, and a pro-ILLEGAL immigration rally, you're going to be amazed pretty regularly on this site.

btw, this has definitely gotten some attention. Michael is going to be on Hannity and Colmes tonight. I'm not a fan of the show or either of its hosts, but I'll either watch it or record it.
 
Nice ethnic slur.

You must be assuming something different than I.

Funny thing about looking for trouble, you usually find it.

If you go looking for ethnic slurs/racism you usually find it. Makes good distractions from the actual topics, too, since this topic has nothing to do with anyone looking for trouble. Unless, of course, you mean the illegal, criminal invaders.

Just to be sure, this guy wanted government agents to monitor a public event. So if the ATF shows up at a pro-gun rally, y'all think that'd be great, cause they'd be looking for criminals, right?

So you don't see a difference between people engaging in a Constitutionally protected Right, and an alphabet agency that regularly needlessly harrasses them, vs criminals publicly congregating to support law breaking and an alphabet agency that utterly refuses to do its job and detain/prosecute them?

This place is amazing.

Well after the above I do have to agree with you there.
 
Just to be sure, this guy wanted government agents to monitor a public event. So if the ATF shows up at a pro-gun rally, y'all think that'd be great, cause they'd be looking for criminals, right?

No...he wanted the government to enforce the laws of the land.

As has already been said, if there were folks at a gun rally who were in possession of firearms illegally then I would say that they had an obligation to do their jobs.
 
A rally is a rally. Just cause you dont agree with it doesnt make it wrong. Free speech applies to everyone, not just people who share your (limited) viewpoint.


How many people here have actually been "harassed" by the ATF? Everyone I have seen them "harrass" have been killers and hoods.

All you non-FFLs who have actually encountered a ATF agent professionally raise your hands.

Then lets compare that figure to the number of registered users here.
 
Of course it makes no difference if the rally is actively supporting violating the law and is featuring those currently violating the law? And free speech certainly applies, except to those they don't want to allow in and choose to physically assault, like Graham?
 
Centac obviously doesn't live in the MD/DC/VA area where HUNDREDS of ar15 owners and other gun enthusiasts were harrassed during the Malvo/Muhammad fiasco.


Many senior users on this board were telephoned, visited and harrassed by the ATF, FBI, and countless other law enforcement agencies. There's a nice archive of events over on TFL.

And by your reasoning, a thousand known gangbangers attending a rally on how to clean their illegally owned full auto ak47s with hands on demonstrations would be appropriate....you know....since a rally is just a rally.
 
Funny thing about looking for trouble, you usually find it.

Just to be sure, this guy wanted government agents to monitor a public event. So if the ATF shows up at a pro-gun rally, y'all think that'd be great, cause they'd be looking for criminals, right?

This place is amazing.

Hmmm...lets see, comparing an event designed to get people to break the law or circumvent it, no doubt with a huge portion of them being ILLEGAL aliens, and a pro-gun rally of people trying to enforce their constitutional rights. Yeah your right....the "Thin Blue Line" is pretty amazing to see around here sometimes. :rolleyes:
 
A rally is a rally. Just cause you dont agree with it doesnt make it wrong. Free speech applies to everyone, not just people who share your (limited) viewpoint.

No...a group of people advocating illegal activity is not protected by the 1st amendment. A limited viewpoint? Perhaps in that I am limited in believing that the rule of law applies to everyone.
 
How many people here have actually been "harassed" by the ATF? Everyone I have seen them "harrass" have been killers and hoods.

Yeah, right, killers and hoods. :rolleyes: They must find a lot of those killers and hoods in the simple paperwork errors they have kicked in doors and stumped cats for.

The abuses of the ATF have been well documented. I don't have to personally witness them. And I don't have to jump off a cliff to know I'll fall and kill myself.
 
Again,

How many out of the total population here have been "harassed". C'mon, give me a simple percentage = 90? 50? 25? Lower? Higher? It has to be astronomically high given the vitriol. Who among you has had your door kicked in, let's hear a couple hundred first person accounts..........Not what you heard happened to Uncle Fred's first cousin's ex-wife's son-in-law.

As to the rally, we've heard one side, what would the other side have to say? Tell me a person showing up in an INS t-shirt isnt gonna cause problems - he wanted a confrontation and he got it. Big deal. So you want straight line hard core no-discretion enforcement of immigration laws, but not of firearms laws, right?
 
How many out of the total population here have been "harassed". C'mon, give me a simple percentage = 90? 50? 25? Lower? Higher? It has to be astronomically high given the vitriol.

A) WHat does this have to do with the thread? Oh, yes, nothing.

B) Why does someone have to actually be on the receiving end to find abuse unacceptable?

C) The abuses of ATF aren't in question and you know it, so what is your purpose here?

As to the rally, we've heard one side, what would the other side have to say?

Since they are illegals and/or defending the criminal actions of illegals what they say matters why? Of course they will have an interesting story...and it would be especially interesting to get it to jive with his recorded account and Malkins photos.

Tell me a person showing up in an INS t-shirt isnt gonna cause problems -

Well if you're not breaking the law why would it? Isn't that your own comment on issues?

he wanted a confrontation and he got it. Big deal. So you want straight line hard core no-discretion enforcement of immigration laws, but not of firearms laws, right?

Nice strawman. Please explain how simple reasonable and fairly consistent enforcement of immigration laws and actively prosecuting those who violate them blatantly translates into "no discretion enforcement"? Then tell us how this unreal progression flows to firearms laws?
 
However, let's not forget that the problem of illegal immigration will ultimately have a negative effect on gun owner's rights. Many immigrants are from countries where guns=bad and will try to impress their beliefs on us as they gain greater control of political entities.


Another fact that demonstrates the basic insanity of Bush's open-border policy: the vast majority of these people are going to be voting Democrat.

I am getting to the point where I can see supporting impeachment proceedinigs against Bush for his abject refusal to perform the duties of the Office of President and secure our borders.
 
"Since they are illegals and/or defending the criminal actions of illegals what they say matters why? Of course they will have an interesting story...and it would be especially interesting to get it to jive with his recorded account and Malkins photos."

Wwwwaaaiiiiit a second- Are'nt you the "innocent until proven guilty" guy? So which is it? Our rights dont apply to people who have'nt been convicted of a crime or an administrative regulation, is that what you are saying?
 
Just to be sure, this guy wanted government agents to monitor a public event. So if the ATF shows up at a pro-gun rally, y'all think that'd be great, cause they'd be looking for criminals, right?

This place is amazing.

No, you just have an amazingly bad analogy.

To be equivalent, your hypothetical would have to involve a rally of people who had announced how they had converted their AK's to full auto, i.e. committed felonies with them, and then held a rally to protest not being given a class III license.

Yes, I would certainly expect the BATFE to show up under those circumstances.

Wwwwaaaiiiiit a second- Are'nt you the "innocent until proven guilty" guy? So which is it? Our rights dont apply to people who have'nt been convicted of a crime or an administrative regulation, is that what you are saying?

Yes, It's tragic how people who've announced their felonies pubically are then presumed to have...um...committed a felony. God what a police state we have.
 
Another specious argument, centac. Do we give every illegal a trial by jury? No, we know the existence of the crime by their lack of proper ID...the very thing they are attempting to circumvent here.

As for US Citizens, do you disagree with innocent till proven guilty?
 
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