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Long Range Rifle/Scope/PRS question(s)

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Walkalong, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. South Prairie Jim

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    Apologies to the OP for sidetracking this thread as it just started as a question.
    Carry on
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  2. Nature Boy

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  3. Varminterror

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    I think it would be really valuable for action pistol dry fire practice. In considering the relative target and group size, however, I think precision, belly shooting, and benchrest competitors might not get as much utility. You’d certainly get to ensure your group was a tiny little knot in the center, but I’m not sure I’d have enough room to spread that target in front of my rifle when dry firing to be able to tell any difference between groups fired one day to the next. If the app is under $10, it’d be worth having, for me. I’d really love to see an interface which allowed the phone to be remotely controlled by a tablet or other phone, or use a GoPro linked to the phone to allow better practical manipulation of the HMI.

    I dry fire a lot, but at multiple targets. At 12yrds across my basement, I get my practice in however I can, working on building positions and transitioning on targets.

    ETA: the app is free! I downloaded it. I already have arbor based laserlyte trainers, so I’m going to see if I can turn a couple arbors to fit my rifle, then see how well the app works. They cancelled the PRS match I’m entered in this wknd, so I’ll have to get some virtual training done instead.
     
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  4. Walkalong

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    I have quite a few small magnum, bought em back when they were 14 dollars per 1K.
     
  5. taliv

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    Same here. Totally worth it.
     
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  6. Walkalong

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    The cleaning stuff came today. Last Thursday I shot three rounds to foul the rifle for the match today which I did not attend because of the precautions we are all taking right now. At 82 degrees the shots were 2936 (clean bore), then 2951 & 2955. Those two matched up well with the three I had fired the week before to get numbers. At 71 degrees they were 2955, 2956, & 2957. (Post #1020)

    Since I have been using Tactical Advantage on the rifle ever since the second real cleaning I am going to try the Carb-Out. Watching the movie Bullitt right now, maybe later, maybe tomorrow.

    Since the VFG pellets were out of stock at Sinclairs/Brownells I picked up some Tipton pellets and a Dewey jag intended for the VFG pellets.
     

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  7. Walkalong

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    I finally (after years of procrastination) got a gun trust done, signed, and notarized, so what suppressors do y'all recommend?
     
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  8. Varminterror

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    Silencerco Omega or Thunderbeast Ultra 7.

    Titanium construction for lower weight and high durability. The TBAC is 3oz lighter, but an inch longer than the Omega + flat cap, and almost identical weight.

    Compact size with great reduction. Materials of construction make it light, but good design makes it quiet. Some cans might be 2” longer and not reduce noise as well, especially FRP, or sub-caliber cartridges. Both of these do very well in FRP and sub-cals, especially for their size.

    Great noise reduction. Both share very similar reduction ratings, although in theory the larger TBAC should be quieter - in the field, I wouldn’t say one is much quieter than the other, but they do sound different. The SiCo has a sharper/higher pitch than the TBAC.

    Great customer service from both companies. Baffle strike? No problem, both will have you back up and running as quickly as possible. Both companies are also very supportive of shooting sports, especially TBAC.

    Fully supported in market. Both companies have their own direct thread and brake mount options, but both also have good support in the market for alternative mounting solutions.

    The SiCo does come with a suppressor brake - not a brake mount for the suppressor, but rather a brake mounted on the end of the suppressor. I shoot more often with the flat cap (OEM offered). Since the gases are running so slowly by the time they exit the can, there’s not as much recoil reduction from adding the brake to the end of the can as adding a brake to a bare muzzle, but the accumulative reduction inherent to suppressors and the added suppressor weight to the total rifle weight influence on Free Recoil Energy, plus the slight reduction by the brake bring the overall recoil reduction very close to a common 2 or 3 port muzzle brake.
     
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  9. Walkalong

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    Pros, cons, why they are a good choice would be great.
     
  10. Walkalong

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    What does that mean?
     
  11. MarshallDodge

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    Is Zak Smith still part owner of Thunderbeast? I miss him around here.
     
  12. Walkalong

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    One down, one to go.
     
  13. Varminterror

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    FRP: First Round Pop - when the first round is fired through a cold can, the oxygen present there can oxidize unburned propellant gas, yielding a louder “pop.” This oxygen is purged by the combusted gases of the first round, so it doesn’t happen for subsequent rounds. For some cans, the FRP can be considerably louder than follow up shots, nearly as bad as bare muzzle.

    Sub-cal’s: shooting smaller caliber cartridges, Sub-caliber cartridges, than the can was designed around. For example, I shoot a 6 creed out of a 30 cal Omega, which isn’t as quiet as it could be if the baffles were built for 6mm. More gas can follow beside the bullet, passing across the baffles. Some cans do better than others at suppressing smaller-than-full-diameter cartridges, aka, sub-caliber cartridges.
     
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  14. Walkalong

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    So I would need this?
     
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    @Walkalong - If you’re going direct thread, yup. For precision rifle, direct thread is the way to go.

    I’d be remiss to fail to acknowledge, however, we’re seeing a shift away from suppressors in PR matches. In 2017 and 18, we could usually make an entire squad of suppressor shooters even at local/club/regional one day matches, so none of us would have to wear ear pro - sometimes two “quiet squads.” In 2019, I was the only one shooting a can, maybe 2 or 3 guys at most. Guys all have cans still - we filled a few suppressor only matches with the same guys - but the advantage of greater recoil reduction with brakes took a lot of guys away from their cans.
     
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  16. Walkalong

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    Got it, still want a can.
     
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  17. Nature Boy

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    I bet your wife is seriously considering calling a family meeting and staging an intervention
     
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  18. Varminterror

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    I can relate.

    I knew the tide was changing at the end of 2018 - in particular regionally here, after a 100% positional match revealed the difference between brakes and cans to a lot of folks who hadn’t otherwise seen/felt it for themselves.

    Nevertheless...

    I shot the entire 2019 season with a can. I never even fired a shot through that barrel without the can.
     
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  19. Walkalong

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    Cosigned. :)
     
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    Put in my paperwork week before last. Buying a can from a friend. Lord only knows how long this will take with everything going on now!
     
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  21. Nature Boy

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    I loaded up some of the new Berger 109s with the hope of testing them today but found a sign on the range gate saying it was closed until further notice

    They are quite a bit longer than the 108s, which is what I’ve been running.

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  22. Walkalong

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    I would assume we would get an email if our range closes, and I have not, but I haven't been out there in about three or four weeks either.
     
  23. z7

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    @Walkalong if you would like to use it on several rifles (you will) consider the area 419 hellfire system for attachments, makes for easy and repeatable removal and attaching of the can or muzzle device and all rifles can be fitting with a universal adapter regardless of muzzle threads

    going over to the area 419 system is a ~$40 per rifle and ~$100 per can but you can sell the silencerco hardware that came with the can online for about what it costs to switch over
     
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  24. taliv

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    Dunno if you’ve purchased already but I would definitely recommend the Tbac over the silencerco.

    I have 4 Tbac and 2 omega (and 2 Osprey so 4 from each company)

    both omegas came apart on me.
     
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  25. GoldieMI

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    what came apart on them? how many rounds through them? I have two myself and now I'm curious lol
     
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