Looking for a .22 pistol "budget"

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As a trainer for your "big boy" guns yeah, you'll want to fine one that has a similar manual of arms and that has a similar grip size and angle. Ideally it would even fit your big gun holster similarly so you can practice draw, sight/point and shoot drills.

If the SR22 fits all these points then pay the bucks and go for one. Or if the M&P22 resembles your big gun to a greater degree then go with one of those.

By adding the idea of matching your big gun fairly closely you upped the anty. If you put a value on this sort of "big gun" similarity then loosen the purse strings a trifle.

If you're looking at a plastic and alloy gun that resembles the center fire guns for anything other than similar grip angle then I'd say you're over thinking things. Even the lightest gun is simply not going do any sort of justice towards replicating the feel of shooting any center fire gun. So the only thing you'll get from practice with the .22 is that first up and sight action. The pull of the trigger and the recoil from the rimfire round is just the mark on the paper to tell you if you did the stuff up to that correctly. There's certainly no point in taking a second shot with the idea that you're practicing follow up shots for the center fire gun. The draw/sight/shoot one shot is as far as the practice for the center fire gun goes. After that you're plinking with a rimfire.

Still sound like it's worth finding a gun that mimics the look and feel of your center fire?

The other thing to consider is that when you draw and shoot there are four points of contact and feedback with the gun. First is the physical fit of the grip area and reach to the trigger. Second is the visual appearance of the sights coming up between your eyes and the target. Third is the mass of the gun and how it works with your muscle memory for swinging and stopping the gun in position for use. Fourth is the manual of arms used for any safeties and for clearing jams and operating the pistol.

Each of these four items will play varying levels of importance in how well any two guns match up for being suitable for practice with one being advantageous to the other. We already realize that the recoil difference greatly restricts what drills are applicable between the two. And these others will further limit the suitability of using the rimfire version towards practice for the center fire.

Obviously we would want a high degree of similarity in the grip and trigger fit and the angle of the grip. That applies to draw/sight/shoot as well as casual target plinking.

It would also be advantageous if the sights are highly similar as well. Makes it easier for the eye to set up the sight picture. So if one gun has white spots so should the other. All black target sights? Then both should have them. Skinny and short "service" sights? Then again it's better if both have them if the goal is to practice with one towards using the other more effectively.

The last two are manual of arms and the swing mass of the guns. If your center fire gun is an all metal heavy gun then really for the more motion style drills to be applicable you want to have a heavy rimfire gun that somewhat mimics the same location for the center of mass as your center fire gun. This will greatly aid with the draw and sight portion of any speed oriented drills being similar for when you might need to draw and sight or draw and simply point very quickly. If you're used to a light plastic rimfire but carry a fairly heavy all metal gun you'll tend to not have the same degree of rapid point consistency when you switch back and forth.

The manual of arms comes into play in terms of disengaging any safeties between the two guns. Needless to say the SR22 and the M&P22 do not have any safeties other than the trigger hinge deals. If your center fire gun has any thumb safeties you might want to consider getting a rimfire pistol that has some form of similar safety and USE it consistently to make engaging and disengaging the safety automatic to your handling process.

All of this is a big side step from a casual plinking option that you first asked about. But since your choice seems to be moving this way I'd suggest you stop and consider which rimfire gun matches your center fire gun in all these parameters as closely as possible. Or that you at least consider which parameters are actually important to YOU and which ones you wish to enhance.
 
I picked the 22/45 because of its well known accuracy. I got the lite version that came with a rail on top to put a red dot. It also has a threaded barrel for a silencer. My plan is to use it to hunt small pests.

The mark II has legendary build quality and is the type of gun that you pass down through generations. The (mkIII) 22/45 lite doesnt have the same reputation as it is so new but I went with it anyway.

The SR 22 is a newer type of gun and is nice and small, but is most likely lacking the generational sturdiness of the MK III and 22/45. People have reported that it is somewhat less accurate.

The mk III is anywhere from 275 to 475 depending on configuration.
 
accuracy-wise, if you can out-shoot a ruger mk-series or a buckmark, you are a master-class shooter. The SR22, honestly, I have not seen as much accuracy from a rest at 50 yards as the aforementioned pistols.

Either the ruger mk or the buckmark will shoot 2" 10-shot groups from a rest with quality ammo at 50 yards.
 
Needless to say the SR22 and the M&P22 do not have any safeties other than the trigger hinge deals.
The M&P 22 does have a thumb safety.(at least mine does).

As the OP, I have a few 22 handguns that I got for the express purpose of mimicking the operation / feel of my bigger guns (have 2 M&P full size).

I know stuff like Buckmarks etc. are accurate / dependable, but some of us are looking for something other than the ray gun type of trainer / practice rig.

And I don't buy into the theory that shooting a 22 that mimics your centerfire gun does no good.
 
I would wholeheartedly recommend the Ruger S R 22, I have one and the KP97DC. Also the P95DC. The controls and the manual of arms are identical for all three. And the recoil spring is not all that stiff, making it easy to rack the slide. Check Gun Genie on Gallery of Guns and you can find the best price in your area.
 
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Hehe,

Phoenix HP22a! :evil:



In all seriousness though, If you get a good one, they're awesome. I got mine with a broken firing pin for free... A little love and a 5 dollar firing pin and I haven't had an FTF or FTE... This cant be said for all of them though.
 
Get the HP22a DELUXE kit and it comes with the 5" target barrel and the 3" standard barrel. Shown them gun snobs at the club that it's not the gun but the shooter that makes it hit the bullseye. I love mine. Best $125 I ever spent. The DELUXE kit is $175, though. All kidding aside, it is a nice gun for fun.
 
I didn't see where anyone mentioned that IT'S NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND .22 LR AMMO NOW at any price, much less a good price. This is starting to change ever so slightly, but we are not out of the woods yet.

Some center fire guns should be considered and reloading for the .45 should be mentioned (even tho components are hard to find, it's easier than finding .22 right now)
 
David E writes:

I didn't see where anyone mentioned that IT'S NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND .22 LR AMMO NOW at any price, much less a good price.

Probably because we're trying not to turn this into a .22LR-ammo-availability thread. We all know what happens to those..
 
David E writes:



Probably because we're trying not to turn this into a .22LR-ammo-availability thread. We all know what happens to those..
As long as the OP is aware of the poor .22 availability.

Hate for him to spend time and money researching and buying the ideal .22 only THEN to learn ammo is nowhere to be found.
 
He did state he sees the ammo available. He may not have a problem paying the high premium for them. It's still cheaper than factory center fire ammo though not by much these days.
 
If you have a 1911 then I would get a Nelson Custom 1911 22 conversion upper. Those things are the best on the market IMHO.
 
The Browning Buckmark or Ruger would be a good choice.

My Buckmark has fiber optic sights making it a bit easier to shoot.

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Buckmark or Ruger 22/45 and never look back. I see all models come into our range and the Brownings and Rugers stand out as better long term shooters than the others.

I teach with one of my MKIII Rugers and it has tens of thousands of rounds, and hundreds of great targets to go home with new shooters, through it.
Nothing but smiles.
 
I'm a revolver guy, but in your price range the choices are limited to the 2nd-tier. The Charter Pathfinder, Taurus 94, and Rossi Plinker are in your price range and have 8 or 9 round cylinders. They tend to have heavy double action triggers and may not be the smoothest out of the box. Even the Ruger and S&W rimfire revolvers have heavy triggers, needed for reliable ignition, and they are more than your budget.

In the end, you'll get better quality for your $400 by going with the Ruger or Browning semi-auto pistol. The accuracy is likely to be better with these also.
 
"As long as the OP is aware of the poor .22 availability." [David E]

Actually its getting better for 22, everything else is still bad, except for 44Mag, seems folks prefer the recoil of a 22 cartridge. A box of 100 - 22 LR Mini-Mags cost me $20, that's double what it normally sells for.

"Needless to say the SR22 and the M&P22 do not have any safeties other than the trigger hinge deals. " [BCRider]

Correction, the M&P does have an ambi flip-down thumb safety, similar to a 1911 motion.

Wanted a 22 Browning 1911 but it was smallish in my hand, so picked up a hammer fire, fixed barrel S&W M&P22 (significantly cheaper priced) and shot exactly one and a half mags (accurate, 1" group at CCW distances out to 7 yards/21 feet) before it suddenly hit me... better stop before I shoot off all my ammo and won't have any carry ammo.

That's right, carry ammo, the M&P22 is a fairly large gun and for those who like the feel of the ergo friendly M&P series this is more than a good training tool, with 12+1 on board I'm sure I could shoot my way to safety. Also racking the slide is a gentle experience. Injured my shooting arm/shoulder recently, so just may have to forego the heavy steel and carry this lightweight for a while.
 
Having heard so many good things about it, I got a Ruger MKII with a 5" barrel and was blown away with its accuracy. Easily the most accurate handgun I've ever owned.

It was also finicky about ammo, not running well with anything except CCI stingers. Breakdown and cleaning never went well - even after following step-by-step with YouTube videos. Just way too difficult and often unsuccessful. I so wanted to love this gun but it's not user-friendly.

Traded it back in for an SR22.

Pros: The SR22 shoots absolutely everything. Junk to high-grade. Perfectly reliable, on a par with revolvers. No failures of any kind, ever. Easy to break down and reassemble. Good aftermarket support and holsters are readily available.

Cons: Not as accurate as the MKII. You wouldn't expect it to be, having a shorter barrel.

For .22LR plinking, the SR22 meets my needs for a 100-percent reliable .22 pistol and the aftermarket follower that loads the magazine to 11 rounds gives you a topped-off 12-round 22 in a compact, easy to carry package.
 
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