Looking for a new concealed carry
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John Wayne
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I have not been impressed with any of the three Kel-Tecs I've owned. Innovative, yes, but they cut too many corners. With that said, I have heard bad things about the Taurus Millenium Pro series, but mine has been extremely reliable.
I shot a Walther PPS in 9mm recently and found it very much to my liking.
I shot a Walther PPS in 9mm recently and found it very much to my liking.
chris in va
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I just bought a Kahr K9 that would probably fit your description.
It's very thin, great DAO trigger, 9mm, low bore axis and all steel. The P9 is the polymer version, with the PM9 being the subcompact model.
Some issues have been reported with the larger calibers, although Kahr is very good about fixing them. Frankly I wouldn't want that kind of recoil anyway.
It's very thin, great DAO trigger, 9mm, low bore axis and all steel. The P9 is the polymer version, with the PM9 being the subcompact model.
Some issues have been reported with the larger calibers, although Kahr is very good about fixing them. Frankly I wouldn't want that kind of recoil anyway.
bigfatdave
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Kahr and Kel-Tec make small 9mm autos.
Walther makes the PPS in 9mm and the fo-tay (I have one in 9mm, great gun, I was surprised that I enjoy shooting it, as I bought it as a carry gun with thin and low profile as my top criteria).
Taurus makes some decent (and reasonable priced) compact 9mm guns, and they claim to have a slim model coming out (it looks like it wants to be a PPS when it grows up).
1911-style guns are available in 9mm, .40, and of course, .45ACP ... not my area of expertise, but they are thin.
The firepower you want is available in the size you need, hopefully you can find it in the format you want as well.
Walther makes the PPS in 9mm and the fo-tay (I have one in 9mm, great gun, I was surprised that I enjoy shooting it, as I bought it as a carry gun with thin and low profile as my top criteria).
Taurus makes some decent (and reasonable priced) compact 9mm guns, and they claim to have a slim model coming out (it looks like it wants to be a PPS when it grows up).
1911-style guns are available in 9mm, .40, and of course, .45ACP ... not my area of expertise, but they are thin.
The firepower you want is available in the size you need, hopefully you can find it in the format you want as well.
I recommend something that you know will run 100% out of the box. The guns mentioned so far are notorious for not doing just that.
I actually fondled a Walther PPS with a gray frame chambered in .40s&w. Neat little gun, and although I had a P99 .40s&w that I wasn't too crazy about and ended up selling, it was still a reliable weapon. If you want a really thin gun you might want to check out the PPS in either 9mm or .40s&w.
My personal recommendation, however, is the H&K P2000sk. I have one in 9mm with the light LEM trigger and it is a wonderful little gun. Pricey, but well worth it IMHO.
A Glock 26 or 27 isn't a bad choice either considering the price.
Another suggestion would be to try out a Sig P239 since you already seem to like Sigs. It's not feather light in weight, but it's thin overall and would probably carry just like your P232.
Not from my experience in dealing with them.
I actually fondled a Walther PPS with a gray frame chambered in .40s&w. Neat little gun, and although I had a P99 .40s&w that I wasn't too crazy about and ended up selling, it was still a reliable weapon. If you want a really thin gun you might want to check out the PPS in either 9mm or .40s&w.
My personal recommendation, however, is the H&K P2000sk. I have one in 9mm with the light LEM trigger and it is a wonderful little gun. Pricey, but well worth it IMHO.
A Glock 26 or 27 isn't a bad choice either considering the price.
Another suggestion would be to try out a Sig P239 since you already seem to like Sigs. It's not feather light in weight, but it's thin overall and would probably carry just like your P232.
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Some of the polymer Kahrs fit that description, but I haven't read or heard of any repeated problems with the Kahr K9s (hence why I bought mine). Everyone I've talked to has said that their K9 is 100% reliable and I would agree.
That said, my recommendations would be a Kahr K series or the Sig p239, either in 9mm or .40. They are both relatively compact with good ergonomics, although the Sig is slightly larger. If you're really into lightweight polymer pistols, you probably won't like these. However, I'm a taller guy, so the weight of my K9 is virtually unnoticeable.
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glock 26 or 27
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Might want to think about the P6, you can get them in the mid 300 range and from all the talk on the boards there are a lot of good things being said about them and not much on the con side. I have one that I rotate carry with my 229.
BlindJustice
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Springfield Armory EMP - I held one and it felt verra nice just the
$1000 price tag stops me.
Sig P239 DA/SA 9mm Luger or .40 S&W as well.
& a step down a few hundred in price.
Another singel stack overlooked, One often overlooked
S&W 908 - DA/SA - in the 3rd gen S&W line
39-2 -> 3913 --> CS9/LS9 and now
the economical finished 908, Carbon Steel slide,
or 908S with matte Stainless steel slide both with
alloy frame and SS 3 1.2" barrel 8+1 3-DOt
sights. Probably under $500
R-
$1000 price tag stops me.
Sig P239 DA/SA 9mm Luger or .40 S&W as well.
& a step down a few hundred in price.
Another singel stack overlooked, One often overlooked
S&W 908 - DA/SA - in the 3rd gen S&W line
39-2 -> 3913 --> CS9/LS9 and now
the economical finished 908, Carbon Steel slide,
or 908S with matte Stainless steel slide both with
alloy frame and SS 3 1.2" barrel 8+1 3-DOt
sights. Probably under $500
R-
mljdeckard
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Compact or sub-compact Glock in 9 or .40.
searcher451
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Check out the Walther PPS. It comes in either 9mm or .40S&W, which will give you ample punch. And it's as easy to conceal as most anything you'll find in those calibers. I've got one in each caliber and find both to be reliable, dependable, and accurate.
EOD Guy in VA
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I highly recommend the S&W M&P Compact. I have one in both 9mm and 40S&W and both are 100% reliable. A close second is the SIG P239-DAK, but you have less mag capacity and don't get an adjustable grip.
Restorer
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Ditto M&P compact, also CZ RAMI. I carry a CZ PCR....it's a little bigger than the M&P or RAMI but it is my first choice, hands down.
As far as Kahr goes, I've read great and not so great things. But it's the internet, I take it all with a grain of salt.
I bought one anyway and I love it. I carry a CW40 6+1 or 7+1 depending on which mag I have in. Really a great gun so far.
I have about 400rnds through it. First thing I didn't like was that the only way it will chamber a round is by locking the slide back and slamming the slide release down. No big deal. The feed ramp is very steep. If you ride the slide back and forward again it jams. Being left handed makes me do things like that. Like I said, no biggie.
I had a few feed issues the day I bought the 7rnd mag. I think I was limp wristing. This thing really packs a punch and after about 50rnds I was getting lazy.
I haven't seen any issues that I could attribute to the guns quality. I'm very happy with it.
19oz unloaded, don't recall what my refrigerant scale said when it was loaded. lol
Very compact but yet feels full size in the hand, well balanced and no safeties to worry about fumbling with. The trigger pull is very long which to me is the only safety I'd need.
I bought one anyway and I love it. I carry a CW40 6+1 or 7+1 depending on which mag I have in. Really a great gun so far.
I have about 400rnds through it. First thing I didn't like was that the only way it will chamber a round is by locking the slide back and slamming the slide release down. No big deal. The feed ramp is very steep. If you ride the slide back and forward again it jams. Being left handed makes me do things like that. Like I said, no biggie.
I had a few feed issues the day I bought the 7rnd mag. I think I was limp wristing. This thing really packs a punch and after about 50rnds I was getting lazy.
I haven't seen any issues that I could attribute to the guns quality. I'm very happy with it.
19oz unloaded, don't recall what my refrigerant scale said when it was loaded. lol
Very compact but yet feels full size in the hand, well balanced and no safeties to worry about fumbling with. The trigger pull is very long which to me is the only safety I'd need.
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I have no trouble using the slingshot method to chamber my K9. You can't ride the slide forward at all. If I pull the slide all the way back and let it go, it works every time.
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I have three CCW guns I rotate among, depending on the occasion: Russian Makarov, 10-shot capacity, 9-mm Mak loaded with Speer Gold Dots; S&W Model 642 Airweight Hammerless, 5-shot .38-spl, Crimson Trace Laser Grips, 158-gr JHP; Herters double-derringer in .357-Mag, loaded with .38-Spl 158-gr JHP.
From my personal experience in protection from physical assaults/robberies, here are some factors to consider:
(1.) If you have to use your gun, fast, easy access is far more important than having an impressive gun. Ankle holsters are generally inconvenient, unless you can fake an illness.
(2.) Engagement will be at very close range...likely about 5-feet or less.
(3.) As soon as the "perp(s)" realize you are armed, they generally skedaddle VERY rapidly. In the three times my guns saved me (once from 4 young toughs!), I never had to fire a shot.
(4.) One shot fired by anyone attracts attention and the police. Good for the victim, bad for the "perp"...so they don't want shots fired.
(5.) Considering all of the above, you are rather unlikely to get into a pitched gun battle requiring large cap mags and reloads.
Comments on my three alternative guns: The derringer gets the most use...smallest, lightest, easiest to conceal. Next comes the S&W Airweight...the laser is useless in daytime, invaluable in dim light and night. Where the bright red dot is, is where the bullet will hit...further aiming or gun positioning unnecessary. I rarely use the Mak...although slimmer than the Smith, it's the heaviest and I don't need the ten round capacity.
Hope this spurs your thought process!
From my personal experience in protection from physical assaults/robberies, here are some factors to consider:
(1.) If you have to use your gun, fast, easy access is far more important than having an impressive gun. Ankle holsters are generally inconvenient, unless you can fake an illness.
(2.) Engagement will be at very close range...likely about 5-feet or less.
(3.) As soon as the "perp(s)" realize you are armed, they generally skedaddle VERY rapidly. In the three times my guns saved me (once from 4 young toughs!), I never had to fire a shot.
(4.) One shot fired by anyone attracts attention and the police. Good for the victim, bad for the "perp"...so they don't want shots fired.
(5.) Considering all of the above, you are rather unlikely to get into a pitched gun battle requiring large cap mags and reloads.
Comments on my three alternative guns: The derringer gets the most use...smallest, lightest, easiest to conceal. Next comes the S&W Airweight...the laser is useless in daytime, invaluable in dim light and night. Where the bright red dot is, is where the bullet will hit...further aiming or gun positioning unnecessary. I rarely use the Mak...although slimmer than the Smith, it's the heaviest and I don't need the ten round capacity.
Hope this spurs your thought process!
Sig P239 or P6 or P225. Stay Sig. Many people have trouble going from Sig to Glock because of the very different triggers and grip angle.
The P6/225 balances better and is a bit slimmer and easier to carry. They don't make these new anymore, but they are all over the place thanks to the 40,000 German P6s that came in over the last few years.
You can buy a new P239.
The P6/225 balances better and is a bit slimmer and easier to carry. They don't make these new anymore, but they are all over the place thanks to the 40,000 German P6s that came in over the last few years.
You can buy a new P239.
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+2 on the keltec pf-9, really is a great gun
I just bought a Kahr CW9, and shot it today. 50 rounds, no problems.
I probably would have bought a Kel Tec PF9, but could not find one. I know I paid $150 more for the Kahr, but I don't care. It is a much nicer gun....by far.
I really suggest them. They were about $399, but the cheapest I could find one for was $429.
I would opt for the 9mm, 7rd mag.
I probably would have bought a Kel Tec PF9, but could not find one. I know I paid $150 more for the Kahr, but I don't care. It is a much nicer gun....by far.
I really suggest them. They were about $399, but the cheapest I could find one for was $429.
I would opt for the 9mm, 7rd mag.
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