LOOKING FOR AN AR15 PLATFORM

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Well, if you think the current Colts are not so great, how exactly, will a PSA be better? PSA is inferior to Colt, every day of the week, including Sunday.

Sionics - BCM - Colt - DD - SOLGW are known to make reliable duty grade rifles you can trust your life with.

PSA, not so much. But I am sure the PSA lovers will ride in quickly to disagree and try to start an argument about their beloved PSA's that are just as good as Colt and others.
You're right! I'm riding in to say you're completely full of bull excrement...respectfully.

PSA has actually surpassed Colt a long time ago..it's my guess you have never played with any PSA gear...

If you took to time to research it..you would see even the cheapest PSA line uses the same materials that Colt does. Then there are the upper lines of PSA..

I've built a lot of ARs at this point..PSA..BCM, Anderson, Giessele...the lowest grade was the Anderson..and even with that build..not a dang thing wrong with it..and I'm very sure I could out it, and the rest..through the same hell any Colt would go through and all would come out the other side just fine.

You are mistaking PSA low prices as low quality..when in fact, they can offer top notch stuff at such low prices because they are a fairly big vertical integrated company...and own and control most aspects of their production..which not even Colt can claim. The only other name that can claim that is FN...

Better go recheck your premises my friend..
With respect...
 
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I have taken Colts into battle. I would trust a Colt over any PSA especially after the experiences I have had with PSA.
 
I have had bad out of spec parts from PSA, I recommend Del-Ton.
I never have. Not one ever. Can't say that for JP Rifle..got a bad bolt from them. "Top tier" manufacturer...they made it right however.

Everyone..I don't care who it is..makes a bad part every so often. That's just how it is. PSA will make it right..as they probably did for you.

You are still going by Colts long lived reputation..that's now over. It may he rebuilt by the Czechs..they own Colt now..but only time will tell.

Meantime..all you are really paying for is a fancy horse roll stamp.
 
I never have. Not one ever. Can't say that for JP Rifle..got a bad bolt from them. "Top tier" manufacturer...they made it right however.

Everyone..I don't care who it is..makes a bad part every so often. That's just how it is. PSA will make it right..as they probably did for you.

You are still going by Colts long lived reputation..that's now over. It may he rebuilt by the Czechs..they own Colt now..but only time will tell.

Meantime..all you are really paying for is a fancy horse roll stamp.
Nope they didn't make it right, I am pretty sure that you are wrong but you pay your money and take your choice. Most quality makers like Colt have something called quality control. Volume sellers like PSA usually don't. But Most users will get good parts or guns. People that think PSA is better than Colt don't have any credibility with me.
 
Nope they didn't make it right, I am pretty sure that you are wrong but you pay your money and take your choice. Most quality makers like Colt have something called quality control. Volume sellers like PSA usually don't. But Most users will get good parts or guns. People that think PSA is better than Colt don't have any credibility with me.
Lol. You really think PSA doesn't have quality control..yet Colt still does...lol.

Did you even try to approach PSA with the problem? Pretty sure you didnt...cause they do, and always have had, a lifetime warrenty on everything they make..be it parts, part kits, complete rifle...whatever.

That's a fact. Feel free to look it up.

The biggest complaint about PSA is that it can be a little hard to get them on the phone..and they are slow to answer emails...but they do get around to both, and last I heard...they were working to improve even that.

People who don't know facts have no credibility with me. Screenshot_20230921_222536_Chrome.jpg
 
Colt outsources a lot of their stuff, do you're buying a rifle with parts and components from some unknown nameless manufacturer, and then are being upcharged for the Colt branding.

PSA is pretty good from what I've seen and heard about making things right. I haven't heard too many disgruntled customers when it comes to their ARs compared to the volume they're moving.

I own BCM AR15s, several PSA kits that I put together, and I've assembled several AR15s via handpicked each and every upper and lower part using quality components (Geissele, LaRue, Aero M4E1 and Spikes uppers and lowers, Knight's Armament, BCM, military overrun CHF barrels and Ballistic Advantage barrels, SoloGW or CMMG LPK which don't use MIM parts, Superlative Arms adjustable gas blocks, etc). To be honest, unless you plan on going to war and shooting thousands of rounds rapidly without the rifle cooling off, or you're a sponsored competition shooter who shoots thousands of dollars worth of free ammo through your AR, a PSA, Ruger, S&W, etc entry/mid level AR15 will last a lifetime. All my AR15s regardless of cost do the same thing to tell you the truth. I just pay more for looks and brand name recognition.... The expensive stuff looks better to me, and I have more pride of ownership without gaining much else for my use.

@DetBrowning if you want to splurge on a budget, purchase a PSA lower with a PSA FN upper. FN barrels are well respected in the AR snob world, and FN makes barrels for militaries. They are cold hammer forged and chrome lined to withstand sustained rapid fire (full auto). As a civilian with a semiauto rifle in a 1st world country, it's not really needed IMHO, but if you want an upgrade without breaking the bank, that's the way to go.

My only grip with PSA upper assemblies is I heard they do not pin or dimple their gas blocks to the barrel on the non FN uppers. That has never been an issue for me though. Other than that, everything on a PSA ARs pretty standard, and the bold carrier group (BCG) is manufactured by Toolcraft which is another well respected company.

In short, Colt AR15 are over priced and hyped for what they are IMHO. A PSA lower with an FN upper and their standard Toolcraft BCG would be my best bet if I wanted a good AR without wasting hundreds on brand names.
 
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I'm not going to argue with anyone or take the bait, but just as I predicted, the gates are being stormed.

Like and buy what you like, it really isn't any skin off my nose. Its your money, use it as your heart desires.

I've built a lot of AR's as well ~20 for my personal use at this point, I don't have a business or sell my builds. Last year I started milling my own lowers because LETS GO BRANDON.

I have a common formula for the parts that are critical to the function of the rifle:

- VLTOR A5 complete Rear Ends
- Colt or SIONICS LPK's
- Sionics BGG's - Consistently gauge better than any BCG I have ever gauged, including DD & Colt, although they gauge well also. Everything else is a crap shoot as far as consistency and quality of gas key screws / staking.
- G SSA-E or Sionics Enhanced Triggers, if I don't have an SSA-E in stock.

If I buy a BCG other than Sionics (usually AO Precision or Toolcraft) I usually replace the gas key with a Colt key. I level, seal and install it with Ned's OCKScrews and stake using his MOAKS II.

I'll use barrels based on availability from reputable MFG's for whatever cartridge the rifle is intended to fire. I have used Colt - FN - BA - Wilson Combat - SOLGW barrels for most of my builds.

Again, its my money and I'll spend it on the parts I trust.
 
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Would just like to have a serviceable AR rifle to take and shoot at the range not more than 200-300 yards, in actuality I'm becoming more interested in trap/skeet
A PSA AR15 will be perfect for your needs. This reminds me of motorcycle forums I use to frequent. When someone comes in just wanting a 600cc or the like crotch rocket to casually ride and get back and forth now and then, you'd have the hardcore members telling them to buy the top of the line expensive supersport street legal racing bikes because they believed anything else was crap. The same phenomenon is goes on when AR15s are brought up. You also have those who believe only companies who supply militaries or law enforcement with ARs are worth have purchasing as well, which I disagree with.

As I said, I own expensive AR15s that I purchased and assembled as well as several PSA AR15, and I've never had an issue with any of them.
 
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This.
While I'm a big Palmetto fanboy, thinking their AR's surpass Colt is silly.
Two companies have the TDP, Colt and FN. While "milspec" doesn't mean the best, it is the standard by which all others are judged.
Not really. It is the standard used for interoperability and minimal specifications. It’s an overused term and should go away.
 
I'm not going to argue with anyone or take the bait, but just as I predicted, the gates are being stormed.

Like and buy what you like, it really isn't any skin off my nose. Its your money, use it as your heart desires.

I've built a lot of AR's as well ~20 for my personal use at this point, I don't have a business or sell my builds. Last year I started milling my own lowers because LETS GO BRANDON.

I have a common formula for the parts that are critical to the function of the rifle:

- VLTOR A5 complete Rear Ends
- Colt or SIONICS LPK's
- Sionics BGG's
- G SSA-E or Sionics Enhanced Triggers, if I don't have an SSA-E in stock.

If I buy a BCG other than Sionics (usually AO Precision or Toolcraft) I usually replace the gas key with a Colt key. I level, seal and install it with Ned's OCKScrews and stake using his MOAKS II.

I'll use barrels based on availability from reputable MFG's for whatever cartridge the rifle is intended to fire. I have used Colt - FN - BA - Wilson Combat - SOLGW barrels for most of my builds.

Again, it’s my money and I'll spend it on the parts I trust.
Well, you have a Ford on your avatar, so I’m not gonna lower myself to argue either…. But that’s another thread…JUST KIDDING!!!

I think you are using good parts and there is little wonder your guns run fine (assumption on my part) but this doesn’t mean a PSA isn’t gonna work for the OP needs.
 
Not really. It is the standard used for interoperability and minimal specifications. It’s an overused term and should go away.
Milspec is important in some respects, but not all. Milspec is just the minimum standard the military will except and it ensures parts compatibility and the AR will function as designed in some cases. That's about all it stands for. It's important as it lets you know that if the dimensions are milspec, they're standard (not proprietary) thus will be compatible with other ARs and AR components from various manufacturers. When we get to milspec finishes and other crap, it doesn't really matter.
 
It depends on what you are looking for. The most accurate AR-15 style rifles are designed for Service rifle competition. I have a Compass lake CMP A2 AR-15 that shoots better than I can.]

For plinking, one can build an AR-15 rifle that works well. Not a competition rifle but holds it's own on the casual shooting circa,

Of course, you can save bunches of money and buy junk and not hit the broad side of a barn.

Decide what you want for performance an buy appropriately.
 
Here's the thing, you can get a PSA for under $400, last week you could piece an upper and lower into an M4gery for $330. Then you can upgrade it as you see fit. Need more accuracy? Get a better barrel. Need a better trigger? Geissele is waiting. Need a better BCG? Same deal. You can completely upgrade the PSA over time, if it's even at all necessary, for less than the cost of buying a Colt now. One milspec lower/upper receiver is as good as any other.

I personally would not buy something like a Radical or Diamondback.
 
Lol. You really think PSA doesn't have quality control..yet Colt still does...lol.

Did you even try to approach PSA with the problem? Pretty sure you didnt...cause they do, and always have had, a lifetime warrenty on everything they make..be it parts, part kits, complete rifle...whatever.

That's a fact. Feel free to look it up.

The biggest complaint about PSA is that it can be a little hard to get them on the phone..and they are slow to answer emails...but they do get around to both, and last I heard...they were working to improve even that.

People who don't know facts have no credibility with me.View attachment 1172641
Again you are wrong. Several conversations with them but they never did replace the parts or the bolt. You may have had good results but you are a very small sample. You also don't know any facts about my builds or what I have done. You seem to be fond of talking without facts.
 
Again you are wrong. Several conversations with them until they did not respond. You are totally ignorant of the facts.
Lol. Afraid not. If this story of yours is true, it would be the very first time I've ever heard of PSA NOT making good on a bad part. Complaints about bad parts from PSA are rare in the first place..all across many forums, and many articles....the only complaints are that they are a little slow to respond, and sometimes slow to ship..but NEVER have I seen even a hint, that they didn't honor any warranty on any part of weapon they sold.
 
Lol. Afraid not. If this story of yours is true, it would be the very first time I've ever heard of PSA NOT making good on a bad part. Complaints about bad parts from PSA are rare in the first place..all across many forums, and many articles....the only complaints are that they are a little slow to respond, and sometimes slow to ship..but NEVER have I seen even a hint, that they didn't honor any warranty on any part of weapon they sold.
Ok fan boy, now you are calling me a liar. That's enough for me.
 
I'm looking to add an AR15 platform rifle to what I own.
Sadly, with the selection we have today, that question is roughly equal to "I want to buy a truck."

Note how quickly the discussion devolved into Ford v. GMC v. Dodge--and all even before specifying "which size" truck.
A "truck" could be anything from a 1/8ton Kei to an F-500 (really, even an Oshkosh M-1070 HET, come to cases) , long bed, short bed, single cab; extended cab, crew cab . . .

An "AR" might be an 8" barreled pistol, to a 24" Varminter. And that's without discriminating between 'short frame' AR-15 and 'long frame' AR-10.

So, to best answer your question, "we" would need to know more particulars. Do you want range greater than 500m? Something handy to swing around in a hallway? Easy to carry all day? Common, readily-available, caliber? Full Military appearance, or not? Carry handle or optics rail (or both).
 
Ok fan boy, now you are calling me a liar. That's enough for me.
Not calling you a liar, just calling it unlikely, never heard of, a first..and yes, maybe a little hard to believe, but lying..no. Distortion, maybe, mistake, maybe..all kinds of other possibilities..but lying..can't say that, yet.

I did watch a flame fest last December started on a forum by a moron who came on raging how terrible PSA was because they sold him a parts set that didn't fit. Going on and on how they took forever to respond (agreed with him on that..they can be slow, won't deny that), and they made crap that didn't fit...

In the end..he had ordered the wrong parts...and blamed it all on PSA for his own stupidity...

Those are kinds of thing I see thrown against PSA..that almost always turned out to be BS...

That..and Brand snobs like you who just can't get their heads around the fact that a bunch of pure gun guys can put together a company that produces top quality parts at prices that nobody else can touch (because they relied on brand snobs to pay inflated prices for no actual advantage or benefit)...and creates lots of happy customers in the process...

So, because YOU and only YOU (out of tens or hundreds of thousands of customers) , got a few bad parts, and they supposedly gave you the cold shoulder (again, only because it was YOU)..then, in your view, they make nothing but junk...

Alright then...have fun paying Colt prices for ????
 
Not calling you a liar, just calling it unlikely, never heard of, a first..and yes, maybe a little hard to believe, but lying..no. Distortion, maybe, mistake, maybe..all kinds of other possibilities..but lying..can't say that, yet.

I did watch a flame fest last December started on a forum by a moron who came on raging how terrible PSA was because they sold him a parts set that didn't fit. Going on and on how they took forever to respond (agreed with him on that..they can be slow, won't deny that), and they made crap that didn't fit...

In the end..he had ordered the wrong parts...and blamed it all on PSA for his own stupidity...

Those are kinds of thing I see thrown against PSA..that almost always turned out to be BS...

That..and Brand snobs like you who just can't get their heads around the fact that a bunch of pure gun guys can put together a company that produces top quality parts at prices that nobody else can touch (because they relied on brand snobs to pay inflated prices for no actual advantage or benefit)...and creates lots of happy customers in the process...

So, because YOU and only YOU (out of tens or hundreds of thousands of customers) , got a few bad parts, and they supposedly gave you the cold shoulder (again, only because it was YOU)..then, in your view, they make nothing but junk...

Alright then...have fun paying Colt prices for ????
There is safety in numbers, and the vast majority of PSA customers are happy customers - self included.

Disclaimer: I own a DD :cool:
 
Note how quickly the discussion devolved into Ford v. GMC v. Dodge--and all even before specifying "which size" truck.
Not really as we are talking 100k trucks now a days. vs saving less than a decent dinner out with the family. (Notice I didn’t even say nice!)
 
PSA has done something NO OTHER company can do!

PSA found the magic bullet that allows them to offer a higher quality product at a far lower price, without any sort of compromise!

No other company in the Country can figure out how to do that for some strange reason. (Morons)

Dang Nation, I'm a signing up to the PSA Fan club TONIGHT!
 
PSA has done something NO OTHER company can do!

PSA found the magic bullet that allows them to offer a higher quality product at a far lower price, without any sort of compromise!

No other company in the Country can figure out how to do that for some strange reason. (Morons)

Dang Nation, I'm a signing up to the PSA Fan club TONTONIGHT

It isn't hard to figure out how they do it. And YES, they actually do that..even though you are being sarcastic.

First off, the company was started by, built by, and is still run by..Gun Guys. Pure, pro 2nd Amendment gun guys..who believe strongly in arming all able bodied Americans with good reliable guns.


They are not bankers, hedge funders, trust funders, money heads. Yes, they make a profit..as they must..but that's not their end all, be all motive.

If you read about PSA a little, you would know this.

They also strive to own as much of the production process as possible, and buy raw materials in volume. They pass this savings on by keeping prices low...not by maximizing profit like so many American companies do.

They do not offer and keep prices low by cutting corners, using cheaper materials, or moving production overseas...again, if you actually read about how they do it..you would know all this.
They don't keep any of this secret..

But alas...I don't expect you to read anything..you'll just continue to bash without any real reason..
Haters gotta hate.
 
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